Sicarius for Ebola?

[Fran Sheffield]

As we are talking about Ebola again, can anyone help with the following?

I am trying to source Sicarius hanii and Sicarius albospinosis as
potential treatment and prophylactic remedies for Ebola but can't find a
pharmacy that carries them.

I have checked with our Australian ones, Helios, Ainsworth and
Simillimum in NZ.

Does anyone know of other pharmacies which may carry these remedies?

Information on Sicarius is at:
http://www.indiana.edu/~psychag/cam/int ... script.pdf

Thanks for any info,

Fran.

[Fran Sheffield]

Hi John,

Crot-h appears to be everyone's favourite at the moment but I thought it interesting that the paper made the distinction tahtthe nerve involvement and jaudice of Crot-h (and I guess Lach) were not present in Ebola whereas the muscle pain of Ebola was present within Sicarius (from memory). To me, this is significant.

[Kristy Lampe]

A genus of spider that occurs in Africa, in the southern hemisphere. With six eye arranged in groups of two (diads), lend to the name "six-eyed sand spider" also known as crab spiders in South Africa. What are called crab spiders in the USA are actually of the family Thomisidae, Sicarius on the other hand is more closely related to the genus Loxoceles than Thomisidae. Sicarius spiders are found in sandy deserts and hunt by burrying themselves in the sand and lying in wait for prey. For this reason they are rarely encountered by humans, which is good considering the venom is the most potent spider venom in the world, even more than the Phoneutria (wandering spiders) or Atrax robusta (sydney funnel web. The effects are similar to bites of L.reclusa,due to very similar chemical properties, but FAR more potent. They are reluctant to bite, but should never be handled.

Perhaps a pharmacy in South Africa has potentized this. Since it's 'similar' to Loxosceles, that might be a remedy to study.
Kristy

[Fran Sheffield]

I think it may be beneficial to read the paper again as it provides a little more info than that to which you refer.

It could certainly do with a proving rather than just toxicology reports but those are all we have at the moment and the fact the author noted a couple of 'mismatches' with Crot-h and Lach (now I've had time to check) is important to think about (IMO).

[Fran Sheffield]

Sorry John, my mailer keeps sending my emails to your private address rather than minutus. I will have to pay more attention.

Lachesis was the remedy you mentioned and I subsequently checked and found that it had the same mismatch as Crot-h - Lach, like Crot-h has twitching and jaundice as significant symptoms in its profiles whereas these don't appear to occur with Ebola (whichever type?).

But of course, we're all working with one hand tied behind our backs until the remedies can be tested in the field.

[Fran Sheffield]

Thanks Kristy.

[John Harvey]

Hi, Fran --

You've been replying to me privately because I sent those messages privately. Now that we're having a public conversation…

As I said below, there's no mismatch in a remedy's having symptoms beyond the symptoms of the patient. That's never a contraindication in homoeopathy (though I admit Hahnemann did on occasion, mistakenly, interpret the patient's absence of medicinal symptoms in that way). So the fact that Crotalus and Lachesis have all kinds of things that don't appear in any of the Ebola diseases is utterly irrelevant.

And Hahnemann may have been working with one hand tied behind his back in cholera, but it didn't stop him from correctly naming the genus epidemicus for each stage of the disease.

Cheers!

John

[Fran Sheffield]

Aah! The address mystery is solved!

But remember, I was also asking about the remedy for prophylaxis - not just for treatment.

For prophylaxis we are only interested in the characteristic symptoms of the disease - not the individualising symptoms of the sufferer.

[John Harvey]

Y-e-e-e-s-s… we're both talking about the characteristics of the disease. But the disease I'm discussing is specifically Ebola zaire. I make no claims about the other forms, from which it differs somewhat.

I investigated that form in particular because it was so virulent that it demanded investigation. To take from a hotchpotch of diseases named "Ebola" a mass of laboratory pathology results is not going to get anybody far in selecting a genus epidemicus for a particular one of the diseases that that name encompasses. Why? Because we have more than very basic laboratory pathology on hardly any of our medicines -- because, as the author of that paper seems to have forgotten, homoeopathy relies upon clinical signs and symptoms, and hardly at all upon pathology.

I know I'm going to have to dig that paper out in which the symptoms of Ebola zaire found a good match in Lachesis, but it's not going to be today.

Cheers!

John

[John Harvey]

P.S. To look at this in a different way: yes, Crotalus (and Lachesis) may have effects such as jaundice and "haemolytic reactions" that don't appear in Ebola (which kind?) patients. But… how many effects does each of his unproven Sicarius remedies have that the Ebola patient doesn't have? It may be thousands!

Of course, for as long as the "remedy" has no provings, it's a hypothetical perfect match.

The real point is that it doesn't matter how many effects the medicine has that the patient does not; the question of whether the medicine's symptoms extend to those that closely mimic the patient's state is unaffected by whether the medicine also causes a host of other symptoms.

The truth of that will be evident to anybody who considers the several different symptom pictures of Sulphur or the relatively discrete states of any of the alternating remedies (such as Ignatia).