Vegetarianism is a Maintaining Cause

[healthinfo6]

As usual, following mainstream health advice, to eat mostly grains, legumes, fruits, is detrimental to one's health.
Bean, rice, soy proteins are not a replacement for animal protein.
Vegetarians are usually confident about the health benefits of their meat-free diets.

But new research suggests vegetarian diets are associated with poorer health and quality of life.

The study also showed that vegetarians visit their doctors more than meat eaters and that they are more prone to allergies, cancer and mental health problems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... aters.html

[Tanya Marquette]

I have a hard time buying this. Sounds more like propaganda.
One things about vegetarianism is that people turn to that diet BECAUSE they are sickly.
Look at Bill Clinton who was always looking bloated with his big red nose (alcoholism?).
Dennis Kucinich is another well known congressman who became vegan? after dealing
with illness of his own and his family. This is never mentioned in these types of articles.
And of course they don’t talk about the difference from eating organics, and vegetables
in the diet, raw vs cooked, etc.
Many vegetarians are not informed about to do this type of diet in a healthy way and they
eat too many chips and candies, etc, even if organic.
t
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As usual, following mainstream health advice, to eat mostly grains, legumes, fruits, is detrimental to one's health.
Bean, rice, soy proteins are not a replacement for animal protein.
Vegetarians are usually confident about the health benefits of their meat-free diets.

But new research suggests vegetarian diets are associated with poorer health and quality of life.

The study also showed that vegetarians visit their doctors more than meat eaters and that they are more prone to allergies, cancer and mental health problems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... aters.html

[Lucy]

Who paid for the research?
Lucy

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healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:

[Tanya Marquette]

I would bet it was not an independent researcher or someone knowledgeable
about vegetarian habits.
t
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Who paid for the research?
Lucy

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healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

There are many of us who just don't do well with vegetarian diet -- I was one for 12 years, felt much better for the first few, then struggled with it after that. I tried everything I could find or think of, to try to fill in the "something missing" feeling. Then when I got pregnant and started with this insane craving for beef (first broth, then meat), I decided I'd better go with it, and never looked back.

From an evolutionary standpoint, most of humanity evolved in an "omnivore" context, eating what was available. Hunter-gatherer, sometimes more of one, sometimes more of the other. We didn't evolve as vegetarians -- though some *groups* of humans perhaps have been largely so, and people descended from that stock are perhaps more likely to do well as veggies, perhaps even do better with it.

There's also a huge, and mostly overlooked by "research", difference between the eating of "pastured" meats (grassed beef etc.) vs. factory farmed. Very significant nutritional differences, fatty acid profiles and other things.

But -- IMO most of us really aren't cut out to be *completely* veggie long-term. Less meat, sure. Better meat, absolutely. But no animal foods at all? Not so great for most people so far as I can tell.

Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

I totally agree that one should listen to their own body because
we are all uniquely different.
Some foods are better than others; ie, green vegetables vs potato chips.
And it is completely true that there is a big difference in quality betw CAFO beef
and organically raised, grass fed beef. The USDA and Big Agra do a bang up job
of lying about this and confusing the public.
However, vegetarianism is not veganism and you seem to ignore that. Vegetarians
will eat animal product, just not flesh. So, eggs, cheese, milk, butter are okay.
For myself, when I got pregnant, I lost my appetite for meat completely and gave
pounds of it away when it was obvious that I no longer wanted to eat it. Over the
years, my body craved more protein and my social situation demanded some
compromise on this issue. So I began to eat chicken with my community 1x/week.
That was many years ago.
The last time I bought an organic chicken (actually bartered for it), it sat in my
freezer for quite some time and I had to wonder why I wanted it at all. It is
infrequent that I eat fowl and usually only when it is buried in lots of vegetables.
My son did a huge meal for a bunch of us and he did chicken and I could not
bring myself to even taste it, or his collards in which he put pork. And my son
cooked professionally for many years. But I do love my grass fed, raw milk
cheeses and yogurt. And do eat eggs on occasion when organic.
We need to be careful not to fall into the same narrowness that the mainstream
promotes.
t
From: Shannon Nelson
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 12:07 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Vegetarianism is a Maintaining Cause

There are many of us who just don't do well with vegetarian diet -- I was one for 12 years, felt much better for the first few, then struggled with it after that. I tried everything I could find or think of, to try to fill in the "something missing" feeling. Then when I got pregnant and started with this insane craving for beef (first broth, then meat), I decided I'd better go with it, and never looked back.
From an evolutionary standpoint, most of humanity evolved in an "omnivore" context, eating what was available. Hunter-gatherer, sometimes more of one, sometimes more of the other. We didn't evolve as vegetarians -- though some *groups* of humans perhaps have been largely so, and people descended from that stock are perhaps more likely to do well as veggies, perhaps even do better with it.
There's also a huge, and mostly overlooked by "research", difference between the eating of "pastured" meats (grassed beef etc.) vs. factory farmed. Very significant nutritional differences, fatty acid profiles and other things.
But -- IMO most of us really aren't cut out to be *completely* veggie long-term. Less meat, sure. Better meat, absolutely. But no animal foods at all? Not so great for most people so far as I can tell.
Shannon

[Roger B]

Thank you so much for your post, healthyinfo6.

As usual, to my mind, this probably depends upon the person and the meaning of the words vegetarianism and vegan (a word that you did not use). Mass studies do not take the state of the individual into mind. If most people in a study did 100 push-ups every day as a matter of course, then those that don't do any push-ups are going to look a lot different. Some people need more protein than others.

Does vegetarianism include no kefir, which I drink about a quart a day, with an egg and perhaps spirulina? Looking at the issue via Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayurvedic medicine helps. I am currently eating highly purified aloe vera powder that is extremely YIN. (There may be an Ayurvedic way of looking at it, but the TCM seems to work better in this case.) I HAVE to eat meat now because otherwise I will soon be crying whenever I look at any sunset and seeing leprechauns in the corner of my room and having horrid nightmares; that is, the very purified aloe vera powder is pushing me too far in the yin direction and I need to balance it in the yang direction. So I have a turkey stew waiting for me in my refrigerator. But knowledge based upon a mass study cannot know this, and would not help.

Everyone's poop smells differently. I mean this as a serious contribution to the discussion. Everyone has a different gut microbiota. Some people seem to be able to deal with veganism (strict no animal products) because their gut microbiota compensates for their lack of vitamin B-12 and certainly other nutrients that human beings evolved to get from their omnivorous diets. Other people DIE from a vegan diet.

It is for these reasons that I find making conclusions about meat eating or vegetarianism or veganism using mass studies to be problematic.

Roger Bird
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Subject: [Minutus] Vegetarianism is a Maintaining Cause
As usual, following mainstream health advice, to eat mostly grains, legumes, fruits, is detrimental to one's health.
Bean, rice, soy proteins are not a replacement for animal protein.
Vegetarians are usually confident about the health benefits of their meat-free diets.

But new research suggests vegetarian diets are associated with poorer health and quality of life.

The study also showed that vegetarians visit their doctors more than meat eaters and that they are more prone to allergies, cancer and mental health problems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... aters.html

[Irene de Villiers]

We are DESIGNED omnivore for a reason

Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."