Hyland's Calms

[Roger B]

So here is what is in Hyland's Calms:

Passiflora 1X triple strength (passion flower)
Avena Sativa 1X double strength (oat)
Humulus Lupulus 1X double strength (hops)
Chamolilla 2X (chamomile)

Not terribly homeopathic as far as I can see. How does this help my magnesium metabolism? This is probably not what Irene recommended. It does seem to help my sleep, though.
Roger

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Irene
Is Roger correct and was this the product you were recommending? A combo??
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 02 November 2013 15:03
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Hyland's Calms
So here is what is in Hyland's Calms:

Passiflora 1X triple strength (passion flower)
Avena Sativa 1X double strength (oat)
Humulus Lupulus 1X double strength (hops)
Chamolilla 2X (chamomile)

Not terribly homeopathic as far as I can see. How does this help my magnesium metabolism? This is probably not what Irene recommended. It does seem to help my sleep, though.
Roger

[healthinfo6]

Soroush,
I think it's this one, not homeopathic.
http://naturalvitality.com/natural-calm/
I took it years ago. My preferred magnesium is magnesium taurate from Ecological Formulas.
It's better for brains, not brawn.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... efits.aspx
Susan

[Irene de Villiers]

It's what I was recommending AGAINST
(You know I do no mixopathy!)

...Irene

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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Also MNOT my suggestion
Someone used the reply on my email and aded it on top, wthotu addng their signature.

Looked like it was from me but was not.

People need to sign ther posts!!! Especially when they piggyback on other posts to which they reply.
....Irene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

I have done a little more study. Hylands seems to have a bunch of combos, and one is called "Calms" and another is called "Calms Forte". Both of these combos have been around for perhaps 50 years, which says something good about them. Calms Forte has everything that Calms has, but also includes a bunch of potentized minerals, including a magnesium.

I bought the Calms, not the Calms Forte, which I regret. However, it seems to be helping with my pain. My explanation for that unexpected result is that the nervous system uses a lot of magnesium, and if the nervous system is calm then it is using less magnesium and depleting it less rapidly.

I now have to go paint my body with magnesium chloride because the pain is worse than usual, even after sucking on the Calms Forte for 20 minutes.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 14:16:44 +0000
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Hyland's Calms
Dear Irene
Is Roger correct and was this the product you were recommending? A combo??
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 02 November 2013 15:03
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Hyland's Calms
So here is what is in Hyland's Calms:

Passiflora 1X triple strength (passion flower)
Avena Sativa 1X double strength (oat)
Humulus Lupulus 1X double strength (hops)
Chamolilla 2X (chamomile)

Not terribly homeopathic as far as I can see. How does this help my magnesium metabolism? This is probably not what Irene recommended. It does seem to help my sleep, though.
Roger

[Irene de Villiers]

I do not think so Roger - it just says there are a lot of people who still think the world is flat, and continue to "vote for flat" with their dollars, copying each other. If you keep tainig a msmatched remedy especally a combnaton, it wll start to graft provng symptoms thast can be harder to fix than the original problem.

Better suggestions are anti-inflammatory diet and anti-inflammatory supplements, and increased magnesium absorption.

WHat I would do:
Magnesium absorbs in proportion to your Vit B6 level - as it needs B6 to absorb Mg and vice versa..
It also needs potassium to "hold " magnesium so you do not lose it.
There is Magnesium chloride to use by mouth but in any quantty it will literally burn your insdes as the reaction with stomach acid is exothermic (produces great heat).
So the enteric coated form is best.
In Usa the most wonderful FDA has decided that such Mg comes with calcium - defeating the purpose to a large extent as you said.
There is a tablet available in South Africa, without calcium and it is slow-release coated, rather than enteric coated. SO far I have been unable to find just enteric coated magnesium chloride anywhere on this earth. I'll yell if I find it, I need it badly and I keep lookiing.

B6 is also a stress vitamin and an adrenal gland nutrient - so being in pain will tend to use it up, and some other things use it up like coffee (and being pregnant but you likely can skip that one!)
There are three main adrenal gland nutrients: Pantothenic acid, B6 and Ascorbic acid.

Antioxidants: The more you eat, the less pain.
What works for me:
Lots of potassium and magnesium
6 or 8 fish oil caps a day (important for me NOT to use NSAIDS as they will block the anti-inflammatory effect)

Note:
NSAIDS are not actually anti-inflammatory - they block some inflamamtory things but are not themselves anti-inflammtory. (Fish oil IS). So you have a choice to use anti-inflammtory things and SKIP the inflammatory ones that NSAIDS try to block, and the net effect is then positive rather than "blocking a negative" with NSAIDS, resulting in a neutral situation at best.

1000 IU Vit E per day
6 or more caps Moducare
A sheet of nori a day (for trace minerals and iodine - without salt added, so 1 sheet has 1 mg sodium only).
6 size 00 caps I make with ginger and turmeric and a little cayenne in them
I SKIP any food that is white other than onion family, no wheat. LOW carbs. NO salt/sodium added.
Plenty extra virgin olive oil (it has omega-9 and the strongest antioxdant known), butter (I use ghee instead) if I feel like it, but NO plant fats, no seed oils.
Some coconut oil.
High color/antioxidant veg like spinach, dandelion, asparagus, peppers, artichoke, mushrooms, butternut squash, yams, beet greens, leeks, onions.
If you must eat grains, stick with teff and brown rice and 7 grain gluten free bread or rasin bread (by Franz).
Better to put pizza toppings in an omelette, forget a pizza.
Eat Plenty eggs.
Eat good animal protein
No plant protein, no soy, no canola, no GMO. (Organic is not GMO)
Go slow on fruit, but use high antioxidant ones when you do and use them rght before exercise. (reason being the sugar in them is inflammatory and you want it burned off - asap) Use raspberries, blueberres, goji, acai, mango, etc
Deserts with antioxidants:
berries with dark cocolate sauce
Red wine
Snacks - organic beef jerky, nuts.
No sodas. Drink tea or herb tea or no-syrup fatfree latte - NO artificial sweeteners, they are like pain injections.
Avoid chemicals in food.

Principle of what I do:
Your body works according to its antioxidant versus oxidaNT BALANCE. THE MORE ANTIOXDANTS YOU TAKE IN THE BETTER IT BALANCES OUT THE INFLAMMATORY PAIN-CAUSING OXDANTS. Oops on caploc sorry.
So you should choose what you eat or use as supplements according to its anti-inflammatory (antioxidant) content. Each person needs a certain total of antixdants to be in good health, and more for any illness, pain, etc.

READ labels.
Skip those with added salt.
Use spices for flavor. Spices are your friend here. Spices and herbs are all high antioxidant.
Salt/sodium is an enemy, skip it.
I use strongly spiced cheese or curries etc to flavor things instead. ALL the peppers and spices are antioxidant.

They will help much more than some mixology or other.

Good luck,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[healthinfo6]

In Usa the most wonderful FDA has decided that such Mg comes with calcium - defeating the purpose to a large extent as you said.

We had this discussion over a year ago where you couldn't find a MgCl product which does not have added calcium, yet I provided two for you, a liquid and a capsule w/o sorbitol and non-GMO.
Did you try them, since you wrote you were planning to?
Susan
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Irene replied on Sun, Sep 23, 2012 5:18 am
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From Irene de Villiers furryboots@icehouse.net
I think you just did me a HUGE favor Susan !!!

I had not found a liquid with acceptable ingredients - usually sorbitol and other stuff.
This one looks good!
I plan to try it.

THANKS!
Irene
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www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

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[Irene de Villiers]

Unfortunately yes I tried them.
Not your fault but in the very uusually large quantity I need, they are the same as having a bonfire in the stomach. I was burned so badly from the exothermic reaction, and took at least 6 months to heal. It was the worst pain I ever experienced.

This is why I discuss enteric coating above for Magnesium chloride.

Namaste,
Irene

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www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Thank you Susan, I have indeed looked into Shellac coating of capsules.
Again the quantity issue comes up for me.
I would need to coat 36 capsules per day - and they need to be dipped several times - only one half at a time as one has to hold them somehow at the nondipped end. I figured that pencil erasers are the perfect size holder for size 00 capsules, and one can buy them in large lots, which I did.
But say one decides three dips is good (= six dips of half a capsule at a time - each half capsle taking six days for three dips both sides) each then a week's worth to be done DAILY is 252 capsules per week, dipped 6 of 7 days, the seventh used to make the 256 caps, in a capsule maker that does 24 at a time manually. THAT'S 11 SESSONS. some get broken.
There is also an impossibility of accuracy:
Magnesium chloride hexahydrate powder is extremely hygroscopic and the total in 36 caps a day has to be exact. Due to the water absorption and impossibility of measuring accurately as a result, there is no way to get a consistent amount into the capsules either. Yo do need to use powder, the liquid will eat through the coated cap too soon. I've tried, I arranged a prescription for the powder. I am very sensitive to the wrong amount in either direction. I was unable to get it standardized.
I'd not have time for anything else to even try this - even if I could solve the amount per cap problem - it is realistically not practicable.

I also looked into getting the Eugdragit enteric coating used by manufacturers, and persuaded someone wo does research design of coatings, to give me the recipe on how to use it. The manufacturer SAYS they will send a sample but I never managed to persuade them to actually do so. Eudragit can be made up like nail polish consistency to coat capsules. But that still leaves the quantity accuracy issue - apart from getting someone to supply the Eudragit. Sending some to me is contrary to FDA ideas of appropriate use. Heck I might have a decent life and 8 hrs sleep between magnesium doses instead of four as now - gee we can't have that!
Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."