as an observer of this conversation and many like this on this board i have a few comments
we must all accept there are those without ears that if you stand facing the opposite direction to them, no matter how loud you speak or use hand gestures or hand puppets they will not get anything out of it.
so you realize a problem and turn to face them and use small words, purposeful slow word formation and facial expressions/body language/etc... but they close their eyes.
at some point you must reserve your knowledge, energy and time for those willing open their eyes. in time the ears might even work.
just my opinion but too much time is spent bickering on items that do nothing to help the cause, education, or the plight of alternative medicine. yes, there are differences and each area i believe has value. while those of us who want the choice of health care and not be told who, how and what we may have need to remember we are all on the same team and those who wish to take this right (choice) away love to give us cause to bicker among ourselves so we don't see the forest because of a dead tree in our path.
if the tree doesn't budge after a few good pushes we need to just walk around and continue on our journey. the path is long and the mountain is high but some trees just wont get out of the way so you go around. if you waste too much time trying to move the one tree others might fall and one might fall on top of you.
i think most here agree there is not one correct path. sometimes we need to take detours.
thru out history those who wish to defeat get their opponents to fight among themselves to distract them and defeat them.
most here have no issue with supplementing our education and are open to alternative treatments if proven they have value. supplementing is NOT mixing.
can we agree to move on? i just don't like seeing those who have such value and knowledge to share waste so much time and effort trying to move a dead tree.
jmo
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From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] BFR
Re John's obloquy
A last trick is to become personal, insulting, rude, as soon as
you perceive that the other party has the upper hand, and that
you are going to come off worst. It consists in passing from the
subject of dispute, to the disputant himself, and in some way
attacking his person.
But in becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn
your attack to his person, by remarks of an offensive and spiteful
character. It is an appeal from the virtues of the intellect to the
virtues of the body, or to mere animalism.
--Arthur Schopenhauer (1788—1860)
Once you've told a lie or slandered someone, be sure to repeat
it as often as possible until it becomes true. 'Members and front
organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade
our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
as fascist or Nazi [..or as foolish frauds....] The association will,
after enough repetition, become "fact" in the public mind.'
--Communist Party, Moscow Central Committee, [1943]
Despite that.....He that flings dirt at another dirtieth himself most.
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common goals (was BFR)
Re: common goals (was BFR)
I agree with Vicki! Flooding our in-boxes with this back and forth arguing is not productive! Can't you just agree to disagree and move on! The rest of us can decide for ourselves.
Just my 2 cents. Thanks.
Joan
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, vicki h wrote:
Just my 2 cents. Thanks.
Joan
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, vicki h wrote: