H pilori

[Maria Bohle]

Can someone job my memory here. I remember reading something about H-pilori when removed with anti-biotics caused another condition - and cannot remember what it caused.

Thanks for any information.

Maria

[Victoria Mashevsky]

Hi Maria, here is the only thing I can remember reading on the subject - from Morrison's Desktop Pathology, p.218 "...the use of a-biotics can suppress... ulcer completely...causing deeper pathology...[or] temporarily and [sx] recur...weeks or month later"
V

[Shannon Nelson]

Maria, I also remember reading something about that -- and I also can't remember what it was!

Maybe this: I did a quick search for "pylori" at www.naturalnews.com , and this might be the one we are both remembering?

http://www.naturalnews.com/039262_gut_i ... ancer.html

Shannon

[Roger B]

You mentioned Morrison, Roger I presume. I went to Roger Morrison several times way, way back in the 1970's or 1980's, in Berkeley, on San Pablo Avenue. He had already started his school at that time, and I met or saw a picture of his wife, last name Herrick. I remember because that is also the name of one of the local hospitals, Herrick Hospital. I think that he charged $200 per consult, which convinces me that I did not partake of his services. I couldn't possibly have afforded that much then; too bad.

But I looked him up on the Internet (I now live in Colorado), and he is unrecognizable to me. I suppose that he couldn't recognize me either. (:->) And I notice that he now charges $1000 and his poor wife only charges a measly $800.

In the olden days, I was probably a unicorn thinker and would have been shocked, just shocked, at such a huge fee. How could anyone be so selfish and . . . . blah, blah, blah, and all that rot. Now, I have a bigger and clearer perspective. I am thinking now he must be really good. Otherwise NO ONE would be coming to see him. His reputation for cures must be like a box full of diamond studded platinum rings. And anyway, according to the inflation calculator, $200 in 1975 is now $841.81, so I guess I should have caught him when it was such a bargain. Also, once one gets the right remedies, all kinds of expenses go away, like multiple trips to doctors who don't actually heal anything. And don't forget the trips and the waiting and surprise when the symptoms or worse come back.

Also keep in mind that everything in the SF Bay Area costs so much more, now, than what it costs in Colorado.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: skyhomeopathy@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:44:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] H pilori
Hi Maria, here is the only thing I can remember reading on the subject - from Morrison's Desktop Pathology, p.218 "...the use of a-biotics can suppress... ulcer completely...causing deeper pathology...[or] temporarily and [sx] recur...weeks or month later"
V

[Maria Bohle]

Thank you to all that answered,

Shannon your link was the one I was looking for - it was the connection between the asthma and the h-pilori = makes loads of sense, supress the skin rash and court asthma. I guess it is the same for the git as once the h-pilori is supressed that too can go to the lungs.

What I also found interesting in that article is the fact that people with h-pilori do not die any quicker than people who do not have it. The current literature tells us that these people have a greater risk for cancers, etc, but the longevity data does not concur.

Thanks for looking. This is so fascinating.

Maria

[Maria Bohle]

Yes, I agree with Morrison and the suppression of the bacteria, but any suppression can do that, and sometimes years later not just in a few weeks or months.

Warmly, Maria

[Shannon Nelson]

So interesting! On my quick run-through, I also saw a lot of therapies offered for controlling h-pylori -- e.g. licorice, which would act by coating (and strengthening?) the stomach lining, rather than by killing off the beasty. Glutamine I think was another one mentioned, which would again act by strengthening the integrity of the gut (and stomach) lining. All of those seem like so much better approaches, vs. antibiotics. Making peace with our "difference", rather than trying to eliminate them.

Metaphors, anyone?

[Gail A]

I remember reading this too. It makes sense when you just follow consequences.
What I read was something about that for quite a few people H Pylori is a normal commensal. When it has moved to the position of causing uncomfortable symptoms something else is underlying. For some reason the mucosal surface of the stomach is no longer able to prevent the ulceration which is blamed on H pylori. If you kill H pylori, it's like killing the messenger.
Gail

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[Angela McGuire]

Does he take aprentices?
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[Roger B]

You need to ask him. I am 1200 miles away and I am sure that he would not remember me.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: aim818@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] H pilori
Does he take aprentices?
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