incompatible medicines

[bluemax722]

Hahnemann taught to find one medicine to cover all symptoms. I'm not sure but I remember reading somewhere, maybe Hahnemann, that if one medicine doesn't cover all symptoms then we can use a second medicine. Assuming that this is true. My question is this. If the two medicines are incompatible, should the second medicine be given at all? And if so, is there a general rule about how long to wait before giving the second medicine after having given the first.

Does anyone's memory serve them better than mine. Thank You.

[Maria Bohle]

I will give this a try, there are far better historians on this list than I am.

You are correct that we try to give a remedy for the deepest totality we can perceive.

There are times when that perception is not going to be very accurate due to many factors both mental and physical, so we get the best information we can.

Sometimes there are 'entwined' disease states and those are very difficult to unwind and handle, we need to go 'low and slow' in my opinion to try to open them up and make sense of what we are seeing.

And then, there are two different disease states (or maybe more) that alternate in a person. For this situation we address what we feel is the strongest of the two states and find a remedy that covers the totality of what we perceive in that state.
If we are correct, those disease symptoms start to come under control and then up pops the second, or alternating state.

If you see that state you need to find a remedy that addresses, the best you can, the totality of that second state. Because when those second state symptoms come up that is what needs to be addressed and your first set of symptoms have appear to be gone so we cannot treat that state anymore as there are no symptoms to match. You then give the second remedy for the totality you are seeing (and I want to note that we hopefully can find a remedy that is complementary to the first remedy we gave. Now you wait and see what comes up, you may indeed end up alternating remedies. Treat the tea, that is what is taking the patient's Time, Energy and Attention.

You need to wait long enough for a symptom complex to show up.

I have not treated too much that way, but I do follow the presenting symptoms. I have given incompatible remedies, I try not to, but you give what the symptoms require.

warmly, Maria
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From: "bluemax722"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 2:43:10 PM
Subject: [Minutus] incompatible medicines
Hahnemann taught to find one medicine to cover all symptoms. I'm not sure but I remember reading somewhere, maybe Hahnemann, that if one medicine doesn't cover all symptoms then we can use a second medicine. Assuming that this is true. My question is this. If the two medicines are incompatible, should the second medicine be given at all? And if so, is there a general rule about how long to wait before giving the second medicine after having given the first.

Does anyone's memory serve them better than mine. Thank You.

[Leilanae]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "bluemax722" wrote:

My question is this. If the two medicines are incompatible, should the second medicine be given at all?

And if so, is there a general rule about how long to wait before giving the second medicine after having given the first.

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"Inimical (antagonistic, harmful, or not conducive) refers to a lack of harmony between two or more remedies...........they should not be given at the same time as their actions oppose or antagonize each other." Yasgurs

Checking the "relationship of remedies", you will find a list of the remedies that should not follow each other. In this case, some use another remedy *in between*, perhaps a "complements" or "follows well".

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[jim hebert]

Dear leilanae:

In regards, to "Checking the "relationship of remedies", you will find a list of the remedies that should not follow each other. In this case, some use another remedy *in between*, perhaps a "complements" or "follows well"."

Nice idea about "in between". I think Hanemann said not to give two medicines at the exact same time. After giving 1st medicine, would you think to wait maybe 5 or 6 hours before giving the "in between" complement or follow well medicine? And then wait another several hours before giving the second medicine of the 2 original simillum medicines that are incompatible?

Regards, Jim
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From: leilanae
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 1:26 AM
Subject: [Minutus] Re: incompatible medicines
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , "bluemax722" wrote:

My question is this. If the two medicines are incompatible, should the second medicine be given at all?

And if so, is there a general rule about how long to wait before giving the second medicine after having given the first.

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"Inimical (antagonistic, harmful, or not conducive) refers to a lack of harmony between two or more remedies...........they should not be given at the same time as their actions oppose or antagonize each other." Yasgurs

Checking the "relationship of remedies", you will find a list of the remedies that should not follow each other. In this case, some use another remedy *in between*, perhaps a "complements" or "follows well".

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[Jeff Tikari gmail]

How do we
know two meds are incompatable? Has anyone done a proving?
Not likely. I have given Rhus -t and Apis together with wonderful
results. This is just something homeopaths have followed blindly
and books written have just copied each other over the years.
Jeff

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Jeff,

It might be worth noting that -- at least according to what I was taught -- the issue of incompatibility only comes up when the first remedy has *worked* -- if it has had no effect, there should be no problem proceeding with an "incompatible" one.

With some of these relationships, you will find the same remedy under "incompatible" but *also* under "complements" and/or "follows well". I think the famous phos / causticum relationship is one of those. I wonder (and it is only that) if the issue there would be to make sure the first remedy has exhausted its action before giving the (both "incompatible" and also "complementary") second?

Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Oops sorry, I addressed this to Jeff, should have written Jim!
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[Jeff Tikari gmail]

I do not wait 5, 10, 30, 90 days to see if a remedy works. I do not wait even 15 minutes - but bombard the ailment with a combination of remedies that I think will work. The patient doesn't have more than 5 minutes to spare for an acute problem and one of the remedies will and does work. And that's the way it has been for the last 30 years.
Jeff
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[jim hebert]

Thanks to every one for the responses. I think I have a better feel on how the handle the situation.
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From: "jtikari@gmail.com"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: incompatible medicines
I do not wait 5, 10, 30, 90 days to see if a remedy works. I do not wait even 15 minutes - but bombard the ailment with a combination of remedies that I think will work. The patient doesn't have more than 5 minutes to spare for an acute problem and one of the remedies will and does work. And that's the way it has been for the last 30 years.
Jeff
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[Sheri Nakken]

What? Jeff you bombard with a bunch a remedies? Seems like you should have become an allopath - they are the ones who bombard and use war metaphors. What you do is not homeopathy, Jeff - it is "throw-a-bunch-of-stuff-against-a-wall and hope something sticks. This is not homeopathy, this is not best for the vital force. The remedies you combine have not been proven in combination.
This makes me sick. And by repeating any remedy too soon, can stop the effect of the first remedy
Sheri