H says can't cure Chronic Disease?!

[healthinfo6]

Paul brought up a topic of recent interest to me.
I read that H wrote in Chronic Diseases that basically miasms progress, remedy help fades the more taken and no stopping chronic illness progression.
While I'm familiar with Organon editions, I'm not on Chronic Disease editions.
Here's the quote from http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/hah ... t-potency/
"Still such a favorable pause would never be of long duration, and the return and repeated returns of the complaints in the end left even the best selected Homœopathic remedies then known, and given in the most appropriate doses, the less effective the oftener they were repeated. They served at last hardly even as weak palliatives. But usually, after repeated attempts to conquer the disease which appeared in a form always somewhat changed, residual complaints appeared which the Homœopathic medicines hitherto proved, though not few, had to leave uneradicated, yea, often undiminished. Thus there ever followed varying complaints ever more troublesome, and, as time proceeded, more threatening, and this even while the mode of living was correct and with a punctual observance of directions.
The chronic disease could, despite all efforts, be but little delayed in its progress by the Homœopathic physician and grew worse from year to year.
“This was, and remained, the quicker or slower process in such treatments in all non-venereal, severe chronic diseases, even when these were treated in exact accordance with the Homœopathic, art as hitherto known.
Their beginning was promising, the continuation less favorable, the outcome hopeless.”
Did H revise this passage? Not sure which edition this is from, did H have a Chronic Disease revision per Organon???
Just want to know if I'm wasting my time hoping to be cured, or at this point, at least stop miasm progression because I tend to agree with this above quote from personal experience.
Do all homeopaths realize H wrote this? Are we in denial?
Susan

[Kerry]

This is a paragraph that leads on to him talking about the discovery of psora, so it is taken out of context. When that whole section of Chronic diseases is read you will see that he is discussing his development of disease understanding: the discovery of the miasms. It is in the section entitled The Nature of Chronic Diseases if you wish to read it yourself: http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-books-onli ... -diseases/

Kerry

[Paul Booyse]

Hi Susan,
Not sure how this topic relates to my post or any other post? Could you elaborate?
Of course, this passage you quote needs to be read correctly. He is talking about the treatment of the acute state (miasm) before he really came to an understanding of the chronic miasm, specifically psora. In other words, treating clinically instead of the psora state.
Hahnemann was treating patients by looking at a clinical simillimum, plus a few characetristics such as “is the patient weepy or irritable” as a confirmer in his remedy choice. His treatment of psora and other miasms was based more on general approach of “one of the anti-psorics” (usually sulphur)
You need to read Chronic Diseases as you have understood this incorrectly, often a danger when taking one paragraph out of context.
Regards,
Paul
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Paul brought up a topic of recent interest to me.
I read that H wrote in Chronic Diseases that basically miasms progress, remedy help fades the more taken and no stopping chronic illness progression.
While I'm familiar with Organon editions, I'm not on Chronic Disease editions.
Here's the quote from http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/hah ... t-potency/
"Still such a favorable pause would never be of long duration, and the return and repeated returns of the complaints in the end left even the best selected Homœopathic remedies then known, and given in the most appropriate doses, the less effective the oftener they were repeated. They served at last hardly even as weak palliatives. But usually, after repeated attempts to conquer the disease which appeared in a form always somewhat changed, residual complaints appeared which the Homœopathic medicines hitherto proved, though not few, had to leave uneradicated, yea, often undiminished. Thus there ever followed varying complaints ever more troublesome, and, as time proceeded, more threatening, and this even while the mode of living was correct and with a punctual observance of directions.
The chronic disease could, despite all efforts, be but little delayed in its progress by the Homœopathic physician and grew worse from year to year.
“This was, and remained, the quicker or slower process in such treatments in all non-venereal, severe chronic diseases, even when these were treated in exact accordance with the Homœopathic, art as hitherto known.
Their beginning was promising, the continuation less favorable, the outcome hopeless.”
Did H revise this passage? Not sure which edition this is from, did H have a Chronic Disease revision per Organon???
Just want to know if I'm wasting my time hoping to be cured, or at this point, at least stop miasm progression because I tend to agree with this above quote from personal experience.
Do all homeopaths realize H wrote this? Are we in denial?
Susan

[healthinfo6]

Hi Paul,
Only meant that you mentioned various editions of Chronic Diseases which I don't think are as generally well known as the Organon editions.
Did H add volumes to Chronic Diseases as Organons progressed or just rewrite prefaces and/or change edition contents?
Is there a CD edition/preface that corresponds to the Organon 6th edition that was discovered after H's death?
CD edition below references 5th edition Organon.
The antipsoric medicines H identifies were mostly available before he discovered miasmatic theory.
How does prescribing differ pre/post miasms, you still are looking for the remedy based on taking the case, totality, etc?
To eliminate chronic disease, the homeopath needs to indentify the miasm (psora, sycosis, syphillis) that the chronic disease stems from,
then choose the best fitting antisporic remedy after case taking, then adminster the appropriate anti-miasmatic nosode at the appropriate time?
Or is the anti-miasmatic nosode intercurrent a "Hahnemannian" phenom?
Basically, how is knowing the misamatic basis of the chronic disease changing the homepathic treatment?
This link has the full 1837 2nd ed. CD, translated by Tafel, of Boericke & Tafel, where you can word search:
http://books.google.com/books?id=wxw4AA ... &q&f=false
This link has a Jain edition with prefaces to five editions but not the full text available for preview:
http://books.google.com/books?id=324Bck ... &q&f=false
Susan