]Arizona SB 1175

[Sheri Nakken]

nothing good comes from regulation and how many
quality MD homeopaths do you know - not many
Regulation does NOT guarantee a quality practitioner (of any kind)
Sheri
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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[Shannon Nelson]

On Mar 22, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
While I completely agree that regulation does not guarantee a quality practitioner, there are in fact some quality MD homeopaths. I am perhaps biased on that topic, as our first family homeopath was one. I had numerous occasions to be grateful for *both* of his fields of expertise.

I understand and agree that the two areas of training can be in conflict, but that will be true of *all* of life's experiences; experiences can enhance each other, or can conflict.

Besides our own (non-famous but beloved by his patients), Will Taylor and Roger Morrison are two; with a few more hours' sleep, others will leap to mind.

I would say that the problem / issue is not "quality MD homeopath", but simply "quality homeopath"--whatever their additional trainings.

Shannon

[Theresa Partington]

Can I be alone in having come across some scarily irresponsible non-medically qualified and unregulated practitioners? And some of our top names in international homeopathy trained as MDs initially.
Only last weekend I went to an excellent seminar given by a UK doctor at one of the homepathic hospitals. (This is not to say that ALL nmq practitioners are inept or that ALL MDs are excellent homeopaths, of course - I am just challenging an extremed sweeping statement as I see it.
As for 'nothing good comes from regulation' as a general principle, I think that, too, can be questioned. In the UK the worst of the mortgage and pension sales practices dated from before regulation and there is a general cry for more regulation of the banking industry following the unprincipled disasterous events of the last couple of years. The lettings industry here is now much fairer to tenants, many of whom are fairly vulnerable, as a result of legislation unpopular at the time with landlords.

I am NOT saying that one can legislate against crooks and incompetence in their entirety and I am NOT saying that people shouldn't read the small print of financial documents but to say 'caveat emptor' and just leave it at that seems a bit harsh. Some of this stuff, financial, fiscal and medical goes beyond what the average person will have studied at school.

I know this viewpoint is unpopular with homeopaths but heigh ho....
Legislation is expensive and potentially invasive - why would we welcome it any more than others have welcomed in their businesses?

Theresa

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[Sheri Nakken]

At 03:35 AM 3/22/2011, you wrote:
I said - NOT MANY - I didn't want to list names of MD homeopaths I thought were quality
Yes, of course there are some but when you compare the number of homeopaths who are not MD's with the number that are, there are NOT many.

Sheri
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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Next classes start Friday February 11 & March 4

[Tanya Marquette]

While there are a few medically trained people who can embrace the homeopathic perspective, most
of the doctor homeos hold homeopathy as a secondary healing system or one that is reserved for
simple acutes. The cognitive dissonance between the systems is too great.
One needs to recall history where the MDs were told by the fledgling AMA that they would be thrown
out of the medical profession if they even referred a patient to a homeopath, much less practice it
themselves. And at that time homeopaths were 22% of the healing professions in this country.
The process not being established by this law has to be seen as the beginning of a legal attack on
us. If we can read history, so can they. This bill appears to be just a modern day version of what
happened in the early 20c. It should be fought against.
tanya
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[Leilanae]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "tamarque@..." wrote:

Hi Tanya,

I agree. SB 1175 would create a NEW tier, placing the "Doctor of Homeopathy" (NOT AN MD) above CCH certification.

Leilanae

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Tanya,

I think it is really important to embrace that the important fact is not what a person's other training is -- be it MD, naturapath, TCM, herbalist, whatever -- but instead what their *homeopathy* training is -- the length, breadth, depth, underpinnings, faculty, clinical program, grounding in Organon, etc. In my experience---and over the years I've known and worked with rather a lot of homeopaths from a reasonably wide range of backgrounds---that, plus personal factors of course, is MUCH more important than whatever their "other" training is.

I think it is *really important* not to be prejudiced against "MD-homeopaths" or "ND-homeopaths" or "herbalist-homeopaths" or whatever. It's MUCH more important to know what their *homeopathy* background, training, skills, and experience are.

I think it's really important to acknowledge, because otherwise we will be putting our efforts in the wrong places, and casting judgments on the wrong (as in not-useful) bases.

We need to *improve training* and *increase access*, NOT to exclude people based on arbitrary criteria.

Yes the homeopathic and "allopathic" mindsets and philosophies are very different, and in many ways directly in conflict. For some MDs this will be a problem, and some may never really make the switch.

But for others it will be a relief, giving them a framework to understand what they have already observed, and a way to turn those observations, and the discomfort they've engendered, into a much more satisfying method of practice.

Shannon
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[Tanya Marquette]

I love your optimism. I just find the cognitive dissonance too great. Here is a good comparison
(which will probably get a few people going here). In the area of sexual preference, bi-sexuals
are not much trusted in either the straight of gay camps. It is seen as fence-sitting with the person
not making a real committment. Thus, you can't count on them when things are critical. It is no
different here. There are medical people who give up their medical practice for homeopathy. I
think these people are more trustworthy in their homeopathic understandings and practice. But
those that straddle? I just see them as hedging their economic bets for the most part. I always
allow for people changing, but my cyncism comes from much history.
tanya
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

It is not straddling, it is using whatever is appropriate for the right patient at the right time.....at least for me, and I can also speak for at least 2 colleagues I personally know, one in my city and one on the other side of the country.......
Joe.
 
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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[Tanya Marquette]

You can't get so personal Joe. I always acknowledge a range of talents in people and always
acknowledge that some medical people can make the shift. However, most do not and that is
a reality. They are just too committed to a particular belief system which is too ingrained. That
belief system is reinforced by anything from threats of delicensure (Andrew Wakefield as one
internationally known case) to ostracism to all the perks of social status, income, as long as
they remain true believers.
tanya
It is not straddling, it is using whatever is appropriate for the right patient at the right time.....at least for me, and I can also speak for at least 2 colleagues I personally know, one in my city and one on the other side of the country.......
Joe.
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Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com