freezing medicines

[Ananda Ruchira]

Dear everyone,

here's a question that came to me recently - what happens if the (liquid or pills) medicine freezes?

(this was asked in context of posting some medicines to cold-climate countries, and it possibly freezng on the way)

any comments?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director
Tels: (+254) 0733-895466 / 0723-869133
www.abhalight.org
Skype: anandarucira

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,
Houses were poorly heated in Hahnemann's day. My house is poorly heated. My remedies freeze and they work. I imagine they froze remedies all the time then too. Why should they be affected? I know heat would affect them. But slowing down the energy seems less invasive. Maybe there is a limit to freezing level??
Best,

Ellen Madono

[John Harvey]

Ellen, you seem to suggest that the question is less than worthwhile because coldness is not the same as heat. But to heat a potentised medicine a little beyond the point at which its dynamisation is annulled, about 70C, is merely to move it to a certain point on a single continuum within which the medicine remains in liquid form; and from that point of view, a temperature rise from 60C to 80C, which we know to be sufficient to destroy homoeopathic potency, would appear to be a trivial thing.

To freeze it, by contrast, is to change its state utterly: from a mass of individual molecules (though by and large loosely joined by dipolar bonds) whose movements are fairly unrestrained, which in essence is what makes them collectively fluid and which defines part of their dynamic activity, to a crystalline, rigid clump of molecules, unable to move in relation to each other and enjoying new kinds of bonding, which one would think must restrain their bond activity.

Considering that the medicinal influence of any ultramolecular potency rests utterly in its dynamics, many scientifically literate readers would find completely unsurprising a declaration that the property of potency appeared to vanish in the process of freezing as readily as it appeared and grew in strength in the process of alternate succussion and dilution.

That it doesn't vanish in that circumstance is cause, then, for some surprise. I'm gratified to learn of your experience that the potency of some homoeopathic medicines apparently survived freezing of the remedies.

Out of curiosity, do you recall which medicines froze and later were still active? Of even greater interest, do you recall their potencies?

Thanks --

John
2010/11/16 Ellen Madono >

[Theresa Partington]

Hello John
Can you tell me what the source of information is for the point at which dynamisation is annulled?
Thanks
Theresa
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, John Harvey wrote:

[John Harvey]

Hmm... Theresa, there you have me. From memory, it's possibly from the work of Rustum Roy. Unfortunately, almost all such information that I've tucked away is presently (and possibly permanently) unavailable to me, with the recent demise of a hard drive. But my best recollection at the moment is that it may have emerged from his work some years ago in detecting potency using various physical apparatus. I could easily be wrong about this, though, as Roy has commonly used solvents other than water in his experiments. Sorry to be unforthcoming here; if something more comes to mind, or if I recover the information, I'll let you know.

Cheers --

John

[Ellen Madono]

Dear John,
I am just saying that the inside of my house freezes. Not often, but it happens. My remedies seem to be fine.
Of course I have not tested them all.
Best,
Ellen

[Joy]

How on earth can you tell if a remedy is 'good' or not. It would be foolish to waste time (and to keep the client in discomfort) waiting to see if what you think is the simillimum working or not - what if it doesn't work, how do you know whether to go on to another rx.

I would never subject rx to any unstable condition.

Joy
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Madono wrote:

[John Harvey]

Ellen, thanks for the clarification; I gather, then, that you haven't actually seen any frozen that you later found worked?

Joy, I'm not so sure it's always so straightforward to know whether you've damaged a remedy. A bottle of Rhus tox. was once opened, to my dismay, in the shade of my front porch while relatively weak fumes from a lawnmower drifted up from down the road. Though I'd have thought it might survive that treatment, medicine from that bottle never again helped anybody who took it for anything as straightforward as sprains and strains. But all my other remedies, stored for decades within two metres of wires emanating a 50Hz field, continue to be active. I'd hate to think I should throw them away just in case.

Cheers --

John
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

There is a museum ship in Oslo. It is called FRAM.
It was used in late 1800's and early 1900's for arctic and Antarctic explorations. One journey took them three years with a great deal of time (winters) stuck in the frozen arctic circle ice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram
What medicine do you find in the medical officer's cabin. HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES.
They will be OK - it is excess heat that you need to be worried about!
Rgds

Soroush
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Subject: [Minutus] freezing medicines
Dear everyone,

here's a question that came to me recently - what happens if the (liquid or pills) medicine freezes?

(this was asked in context of posting some medicines to cold-climate countries, and it possibly freezng on the way)

any comments?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director
Tels: (+254) 0733-895466 / 0723-869133
www.abhalight.org
Skype: anandarucira

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[Tanya Marquette]

Soroush--that is great information about the homeopathic remedies.
Where did you find this information? Would be good have the reference to use.
tanya
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