murder, he said

[Sheila Parks]

dear all, i am so happy these issues are getting such a public airing.
thanks to all the goddesses : tanya for her thoughtful question that started
all this and her continuing, deep ongoing comments; natasha for her
questions; lynn for her divine, beautiful words and ideas; shelley for her
lovely questions; nancy for her brilliant analysis; dave for his right-on
analysis; carol for her ideas; lisa for her lingering questions; fatima for
her strong pro-choice stand..i hope i am not leaving anyone out. now that i
have cleaned up my emails and deleted the rest, i cannot look back. i am
sorry if i have not included you here, it is not intentional.
i was a part of the faith community of the peace movement for many years.
still am actually. in earlier years, i was very involved with the catholic
left as part of this community. i am not so involved with them now because
i could not stand the contradictions around abortion rights specifically and
patriarchy in general. these folks were either a part of a group or it was
their group, called the seamless garment. they were against abortion, the
death penalty, and all war. i would like to know the stand of those so
oppposed to abortion rights on these pages, where they stand on the death
penalty and on the present war against afghanistan, murdering lots of
innocent people, and on other wars that are happening all over the world?
and on weapons of mass destruction, like nuclear ones? YOU MUST TELL US
YOUR POSITION ON THESE MURDERS. i thought lynn had briefly raised this issue
in one of her emails, but could not find it. i wanted to raise the question
very specifically and mention the seamless garment group.
natasha, today i was at a program where jewish girls were being taught to
put on teffilin.(to feel close to god) the director of the program asked
the girls to ask their mothers if they were ever taught how to do this. of
course they were not, it is only recently that such strides have been made -
because of feminism. i was reminded this morning of the time when my
mother, who spoke, read, and wrote hebrew fluently was given her first
aliyah - being called up to read the torah, a huge honor - when she was
seventy-years-old. i cried and cried and knew how much feminism had
accomplished.
to add to lynn's superb clitoris point: i am finally going to see the vagina
monologues this month. the book was wonderful. since we are doing a
suggested reading list here, i want to add it to the list. as also, alice
walker, bell hooks, zora neale thurston, robin morgan, doris lessing
(natasha, have you ever read the golden notebook? it was a feminist icon, a
novel, and a fantabulous book, i am sure still available in paperback)
some time ago alice walker said to white men that the only words she wanted
them to say to her were, "I am listening." i am not an incubator or a
breeder. when i am talking about MY BODY, the only words i want to hear men
of any color say to me is, "I am listening."
back to the animals. the giraffe was the symbol of the suffrage movement,
because they stuck their necks out. sheila
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[isali ben-jacob]

As to a judgement of the value of abortion or not, there must be a definition of murder. If we are to live by a system of laws and not men(forgive me women readers and advise me of a more preferable reference), then we must have a common understanding of words. Murder in my country is the unjustified taking of a life of another.

Afganistan was clearly a safehaven for a particular group of individuals who live by a code of life that the world community of nations finds untenable, and can not be allowed to exist. On that particular subject, I, as one idividual feel that the remainder of my lifetime is afflicted and affected by what has become known as 911.

No longer can we attend any public arena without some level of concern that some bio-chemical agents might find its presence; no longer is air travel an industrial magnificence in travel as it is now on every flight a potential flying bomb; no longer can we ignore the presence of a propane truck w/o wondering...; there is no reaching to the intellect, it is a tyrannical imposition of their view of a religion hijacked or death.

My culture learned its most recent lesson during WWII, and my lesson from that was Never Again.

As to death or the taking of a life of another, I include all life as in a tomato, meat, herbs, microbes, bacterias, homeopathics MT, it is a consequence of living in that all life is driven for survival and requires the taking of the life of another.

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Sheila

Lest you have forgotten, this is a HOMOEOPATHY discussion group!

Rgds
Soroush