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You And Me
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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

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PULSATILLA - BUT she IS THIRSTY
Has anyone been faced with the dilemma as follows:
A female patient who answers almost every criteria for Pulsatilla - BUT SHE IS THRISTY!!!
Have you found that it might work well nonetheless?
have you found a similar remedythat covers Pulsatilla symptoms PLUS THIRST!!!
thanks
Daniella
Daniella Krause, MSW
ALIYAH and Kosher Family Coaching Center
Bet Shemesh
02 991 6521; 0545 359 072
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by Soroush Ebrahimi »

Puls can be very thirsty!
STOMACH - THIRST - extreme
Has Puls listed !!
Rgds
Soroush

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PULSATILLA - BUT she IS THIRSTY
Has anyone been faced with the dilemma as follows:
A female patient who answers almost every criteria for Pulsatilla - BUT SHE IS THRISTY!!!
Have you found that it might work well nonetheless?
have you found a similar remedythat covers Pulsatilla symptoms PLUS THIRST!!!
thanks
Daniella
Daniella Krause, MSW
ALIYAH and Kosher Family Coaching Center
Bet Shemesh
02 991 6521; 0545 359 072
www.israelifecoach.org
youandme@netvision.net.il

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Shannon Nelson
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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Daniella,
Even tho Puls has that keynote of "thirstless", it's also a (4) under
Thirsty!
Shannon


jtikri
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PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by jtikri »

No one symptom can dictate a remedy. One has to look at the general presenting
and overall picture to find the remedy. Lack of thirst is just one indication - and not a very
strong one at that.
Sometimes the doctor is lucky to find a rare and peculiar symptom - the presenting indicated remedy
may not support it. But a completely different remedy, which has the indicated peculiar property and nothing else to support
it's, could be the remedy - and usually is.
I mean, the remedy has nothing to support the indicating problem - except that strange property.
Go for it! It has never let me down.
Jeff tikari


Irene de Villiers
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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by Irene de Villiers »

>
HI,
I do not see any dilemma?

The way to choose a remedy has to do with the symptoms of your
patient - NOT the symptoms of the remedy:-)

You select the symptoms of the patient that you find relevant to the
case - and IF they are "within" the list of possible rubrics for the
remedy then it fits.
It doesn't NOT matter what other rubrics the remedy has.
To consider other rubrics is backwards.
Do not repertorize backwards - you can not make your patient fit the
remedy - it will always lead you astray:-)

Puls for example has about 10,000 rubrics.
No patient will ever fit all 10,000.
What counts is that the relevant symptoms of the patient are WITHIN
that list of 10,000.
The rest of the rubrics are irrelevant - only the ones the patient
has are relevant.

(By the way, Puls has both thirstless and thirsty).

Namaste,
Irene
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McPhee Family
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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by McPhee Family »

Yes, what Irene said. :-)
Rubrics for Pulsatilla:
stomach, thirst
stomach, thirst, burning, vehement
stomach, thirst extreme
and about 11 other various thirst rubrics.
When I get hung up like that, I usually go to the rep and see if the remedy has the rubric even if it seems contrary to what we know about the picture. For example, we know Lachesis is mainly left sided but for sciatica, it is mainly right sided. Also, eliminating a remedy because it has a certain symptom the patient doesn't have is called negative prescribing and it's a common pitfall.
Hope that's helpful!
Truly,
Erica


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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by Chris_Gillen »

Hello,
Just a short comment or two on polarities and seemingly contradictory modalities. In terms of studying *characteristics in the Materia Medica*, there will always be polarities recorded in the proving of a drug. That is, one prover experienced a symptom under certain conditions one way and and then perhaps in an opposite way at a different time of the day or night. Another prover had a similar experience to the first, and so on. The generalization of a characteristic symptom in the Materia Medica is simply based on its statistically, consistent prevalence as it occured amongst provers. Hence, Bryonia is statistically noted for its characteristic "stitching pains that are < by movement", Asafoetida is statistically noted for its characteristic "tearing pains, < from within outward", Pulsatilla is statistically noted for its thirstlessness under the majority of circumstances.
*Characteristic symptoms in the patient* are determined by how well each complaint can be individualized or distinguished in the fullness of its description e.g. a patient with a stomach ulcer experiences a stitching pain in the stomach that is always worse when walking. Stomach ulcer and stitching pains don't tell us much, but add in the modality < by movement and we start to have the essential characteristic features of the patient's illness. The patient doesn't have to have stitching pains running all through their body in different organs for us to consider prescribing Bryonia. We already know from our apriori study of the Materia Medica that Bryonia has a high statistical prevalence of stitching pains < by movement in the proving. Obviously, a patient will not appear in our office with every single Pulsatilla symptom, or Bryonia symptom etc listed in the Materia Medica. We are not trying to match numerous perfectly verbatim symptoms between the patient and Materia Medica, we are trying to match CHARACTERISTICS.
Sometimes, it happens that the majority of symptoms in the case support one remedy, but there is a seemingly contradictory symptom or polarity. This is easily solved with Boenninghausen's Pocketbook because the symptoms of the Main Complaint always take precedence over concomitants. The remaining symptoms in the case can later be treated with a related remedy, if necessary. However, and this is the gist of what I'm trying to say...If there are seemingly contradictory symptoms in the case that don't support the prescription, it is important to look at non-related concomitants in the case and on balance see if the polarities contradict that remedy choice. For instance, if you are giving Pulsatilla to a teary, blond haired, peevish patient with inflamed conjunctiva and a bland yellow discharge from the eyes, but on further questioning it turns out they generally dislike fresh air, prefer to be indoors with all the windows shut, and will be eating fatty pork chops for tea, then this would seriously contra-indicate a Pulsatilla prescription - even though the non-related concomitants have no bearing on the conjunctivitis symptoms. Each symptom in the anamnesis NEEDS to have a context. In my view, it's a pointless exercise simply looking for "opposite" rubrics in a big Repertory and trying to justify a prescription, otherwise we could literally prescribe practically any remedy anytime under any circumstance.
The Repertories don't tell us what to prescribe, the Materia Medica provings do.
Chris Gillen.


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Re: PULSATILLA- ?? But she'S THIRSTY

Post by McPhee Family »

Chris,
This is a beautiful description. Thank you for sharing this. I have never heard analysis expressed in these terms or quite so eloquently.
I would disagree on one part though - only if it pertained to acute prescribing - that is, if I were prescribing for the same blond girl with the "conjunctivitis" eye, I would still consider Pulsatilla because the concomittants may not be relevant to the presenting acute. Would this be wrong?
I agree - we don't prescribe on the rep. I should have clarified that. It's still helpful to me to find the rubric in the rep to affirm if the remedy is worth pursuing further. I don't look for "opposite" rubrics but the symptoms of the case.
Truly,
Erica
Chris Gillen wrote: ... The Repertories don't tell us what to prescribe, the Materia Medica provings do.


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