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An article by David Little/ Soroush

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At 04:16 PM 11/20/2007, you wrote:
Dear Soroush, et al,

I don't know why my article makes you assume I know nothing of Ardavan's work with the miasms. First of all, IMO, Hahnemann is the father of modern epidemiology as he offered the first system that included constitution, temperament, heredity, predispositions, susceptibility, infection and primary, latent and secondary or tertiary symptoms. He introduced group case taking as a method of analyzing characteristic symptoms and finding remedies that have the power to the prevent. abort and treat the miasms.

Hahnemann's work, however, was just the beginning. He mixed the symptoms of psora (chronic soft tissue infections) with tuberculosis and the symptoms of HPV with gonorrhea N. He also mixed some of the symptoms of sycosis (HPV-condylomata acuminata) with syphilitic excrescences (gumma caused condylomata lata), etc. This is not surprising as he had no laboratory to test the strains. It is for later homoeopaths to apply the principles and methods Hahnemann introduced and bring them up to date for our times. That is what Ardavan's work is about.

I agree with almost everything Ardavan says BUT I do not agree with everything he has said in his articles. For example, that gonorrhea N. can not caused chronic disease is certainly not true. We homoeopaths have 1000s of case that show that gonorrhea N. is a chronic miasma. There are many records of serious cases of chronic disease following the suppression of gonorrhea N and ending with the re-establishment of the original discharge as part of the reversal of symptoms, etc. These case histories are clinical proof that gonorrhea N. is a chronic miasma that produces chronic diseases.

From my research of Hahnemann's casebooks he was treating primary gonorrhea N with a combination of acute remedies like cannabis altered with or followed by Thuja to complete the cure. He treated gonorrhea N like a type of sycosis. In the MMP he spoke of treating that "bad kind"of gonorrhea with Thuja, which certain is not an acute disease. There are purely self-limiting gonorrheas that do not cause chronic disease BUT gonorrhea Nesseria can and does cause chronic degenerative diseases. So IMO, the problem is that Hahnemann mixed the symptoms HPV and gonorrhea N and others followed this pattern.

As gonorrhea is a popular and a serious VD, it got much attention and the HPV warts were considered part of the same miasm. It is true that many suppressed gonorrhea N patients seem to become very susceptible to HPV showing they these VDs may share a similar band of susceptibility and thrive in a similar internal terrain. Many times when treating the suppressed gonorrhea N the HPV warts are also cured. Another thing is that Medorrhinium is known for treating and has cured many cases involving HPV. These are clinical facts. There is a close relationship.

IMO, we should not down grade gonorrhea N to a self-limiting acute disease or get rid of 150 years of experience in treating its chronic symptoms. This is a mistake as gonorrhea N has be proven to be a chronic miasma. The way forward is to study the symptoms of HPV and gonorrhea N as separate species of VD and investigate their relationship. I do not think we can depend solely on modern allopathic books for our information. We need to make a group case study of at least 50 to 100 cases of pure HPV where the warts have been suppressed as see what symptoms this cause.

I have been slowly but surely looking at this. From what I have seen so far the suppression of HPV warts does cause many of the symptoms listed under sycosis, some of which are shared with suppressed gonorrhea N. Venereal warts and gonorrhea N share a similar pathway of disease (VD) and certain characteristic symptoms (loss of memory, fishy smells, etc). There must be, however, certain characteristic differences that can be understood, not by looking at allopathic books, but by studying the group case. The allopathic symptoms are VERY limited. If we REALLY want to understand the chronic syndrome caused by HPV then we must study cases of HPV and its suppression.

Hahnemann's names psora and sycosis include diseases caused more than one microorganism. It is for today's homoeopaths to use all the scientific material we can find on infectious disease and assess them with our philosophy (vitalism, constitution, temperament, susceptibility, pathways, terrain, etc) and study them with our clinical tools (the group anamnesis). This is the only way we will find the depth of symptoms we need to find a larger group of anti-miasmatic remedies for each species.

Hahnemann included a number of types of soft tissue infections under the title psora. This includes scabies (mites), pimples, boils, leprosy (bacteria), tetter, ringworm (fungi) and herpes (viruses), etc. They seem to produce a similar syndrome on suppression because they share the same pathway of disease (the skin) and a similar internal terrain (psoric susceptibility). Hering wrote that there may come a day that homoeopaths classify a number of species of psora. He was quite right as he often is!

On this bases, I classified psora 1 (mites), psora 2 (bacteria), psora 3 (fungi) and psora 4 (viruses) and I am looking for any differences in the chronic symptoms of various types of skin infections on suppression. I also think we should make and prove a number of different types of "Psorinum 1, 2,3 ,4 nosodes". I also think we should try to record a group case of Sycosis-HPV and prove a nosode of HPV. At the same time, gonorrhea N. should be kept as a chronic miasma as the Gonorrhea N. miasm and its symptoms should be continued to be recorded and its nosode used.

Doing group cases is not easy but it is the BEST way forward. Otherwise, we will be stuck only with only the allopathic understanding of the symptoms. That will never do. It would be wise for homeopaths world-wide to collect the symptoms found in venereal HPV wart patients before and after suppression and make up a collective anamnesis. This is only way we will really know the mental symptoms, the general symptoms, the locations, the sensations as if, the modalities, times, etc.

Dr. Ardavan will well positions to lead the way forward in the study of the miasms and bring them up to date. Just because I don't agree with what he says about gonorrhea N in one article does not mean he doesn't have my support in his work. IMO, and in line with my clinical work over the 30 years, I am sure that gonorrhea N. is NOT a self-limiting acute disease. I have seen, and cured, too many chronic diseases including cancer that were caused by suppressed gonorrhea N.

Sincerely, David Little
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Re: An article by David Little/ Soroush

Post by Soroush Ebrahimi »

Dear David

Thank you very much for your long answer and especially for correcting my
impression.

I too was surprised to read Dr Shahrdar's comments that Gon N did not lead
to chronic diseases. I guess Dr Shahrdar will give his reasons in due
course.

I really appreciate your comments on Minutus and look forward to many more.

Rgds
Soroush

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, David Little wrote:

At 04:16 PM 11/20/2007, you wrote:
Dear John

Thank you for your clarification because having made some inroads into it, I
could not find anything wrong with David Little's article.

It seems that he has not read Ardavan's articles on miasms and the treatment
of Chronic diseases and also definitions of Syph and Gon which are CORRECTED
by Ardavan using modern medical science.

Regards
=========
Dear Soroush, et al,
I don't know why my article makes you assume I know nothing of Ardavan's
work with the miasms. First of all, IMO, Hahnemann is the father of modern
epidemiology as he offered the first system that included constitution,
temperament, heredity, predispositions, susceptibility, infection and
primary, latent and secondary or tertiary symptoms. He introduced group case
taking as a method of analyzing characteristic symptoms and finding remedies
that have the power to the prevent abort and treat the miasms.

Hahnemann's work, however, was just the beginning. He mixed the symptoms of
psora (chronic soft tissue infections) with tuberculosis and the symptoms of
HPV with gonorrhea N. He also mixed some of the symptoms of sycosis
(HPV-condylomata acuminata) with syphilitic excrescences (gumma caused
condylomata lata), etc. This is not surprising as he had no laboratory to
test the strains. It is for later homoeopaths to apply the principles and
methods Hahnemann introduced and bring them up to date for our times. That
is what Ardavan's work is about.

I agree with almost everything Ardavan says BUT I do not agree with
everything he has said in his articles. For example, that gonorrhea N. can
not caused chronic disease is certainly not true. We homoeopaths have 1000s
of case that show that gonorrhea N. is a chronic miasma. There are many
records of serious cases of chronic disease following the suppression of
gonorrhea N and ending with the re-establishment of the original discharge
as part of the reversal of symptoms, etc. These case histories are clinical
proof that gonorrhea N. is a chronic miasma that produces chronic diseases.

From my research of Hahnemann's casebooks he was treating primary gonorrhea
N with a combination of acute remedies like cannabis altered with or
followed by Thuja to complete the cure. He treated gonorrhea N like a type
of sycosis. In the MMP he spoke of treating that "bad kind"of gonorrhea
with Thuja, which certain is not an acute disease. There are purely
self-limiting gonorrheas that do not cause chronic disease BUT gonorrhea
Nesseria can and does cause chronic degenerative diseases. So IMO, the
problem is that Hahnemann mixed the symptoms HPV and gonorrhea N and others
followed this pattern.
As gonorrhea is a popular and a serious VD, it got much attention and the
HPV warts were considered part of the same miasm. It is true that many
suppressed gonorrhea N patients seem to become very susceptible to HPV
showing they these VDs may share a similar band of susceptibility and thrive
in a similar internal terrain. Many times when treating the suppressed
gonorrhea N the HPV warts are also cured. Another thing is that Medorrhinium
is known for treating and has cured many cases involving HPV.

These are clinical facts. There is a close relationship.
IMO, we should not down grade gonorrhea N to a self-limiting acute disease
or get rid of 150 years of experience in treating its chronic symptoms. This
is a mistake as gonorrhea N has be proven to be a chronic miasma. The way
forward is to study the symptoms of HPV and gonorrhea N as separate species
of VD and investigate their relationship. I do not think we can depend
solely on modern allopathic books for our information. We need to make a
group case study of at least 50 to 100 cases of pure HPV where the warts
have been suppressed as see what symptoms this cause.

I have been slowly but surely looking at this. From what I have seen so far
the suppression of HPV warts does cause many of the symptoms listed under
sycosis, some of which are shared with suppressed gonorrhea N. Venereal
warts and gonorrhea N share a similar pathway of disease (VD) and certain
characteristic symptoms (loss of memory, fishy smells, etc). There must be,
however, certain characteristic differences that can be understood, not by
looking at allopathic books, but by studying the group case. The allopathic
symptoms are VERY limited. If we REALLY want to understand the chronic
syndrome caused by HPV then we must study cases of
HPV and its suppression.

Hahnemann's names psora and sycosis include diseases caused more than one
microorganism. It is for today's homoeopaths to use all the scientific
material we can find on infectious disease and assess them with our
philosophy (vitalism, constitution, temperament, susceptibility, pathways,
terrain, etc) and study them with our clinical tools (the group anamnesis).

This is the only way we will find the depth of symptoms we need to find a
larger group of anti-miasmatic remedies for each species.
Hahnemann included a number of types of soft tissue infections under the
title psora. This includes scabies (mites), pimples, boils, leprosy
(bacteria), tetter, ringworm (fungi) and herpes (viruses), etc. They seem to
produce a similar syndrome on suppression because they share the same
pathway of disease (the skin) and a similar internal terrain (psoric
susceptibility). Hering wrote that there may come a day that homoeopaths
classify a number of species of psora. He was quite right as he often is!

On this bases, I classified psora 1 (mites), psora 2 (bacteria), psora 3
(fungi) and psora 4 (viruses) and I am looking for any differences in the
chronic symptoms of various types of skin infections on suppression. I also
think we should make and prove a number of different types of "Psorinum 1,
2,3 ,4 nosodes". I also think we should try to record a group case of
Sycosis-HPV and prove a nosode of HPV. At the same time, gonorrhea N.
should be kept as a chronic miasma as the Gonorrhea N. miasm and its
symptoms should be continued to be recorded and its nosode used.
Doing group cases is not easy but it is the BEST way forward. Otherwise, we
will be stuck only with only the allopathic understanding of the symptoms.
That will never do. It would be wise for homeopaths world-wide to collect
the symptoms found in venereal HPV wart patients before and after
suppression and make up a collective anamnesis. This is only way we will
really know the mental symptoms, the general symptoms, the locations, the
sensations as if, the modalities, times, etc.

Dr. Ardavan will well positions to lead the way forward in the study of the
miasms and bring them up to date. Just because I don't agree with what he
says about gonorrhea N in one article does not mean he doesn't have my
support in his work. IMO, and in line with my clinical work over the 30
years, I am sure that gonorrhea N. is NOT a self-limiting acute disease. I
have seen, and cured, too many chronic diseases including cancer that were
caused by suppressed gonorrhea N.
Sincerely, David Little
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines." - Samuel Hahnemann
Homoeopathic Online Education (H.O.E)
Visit David Little's website:
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2006


David Little
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Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:00 pm

Re: An article by David Little/ Soroush

Post by David Little »

At 10:52 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
Dear Soroush,

Hering stated in his preface to the American edition of the Chronic
Diseases that it is for everyone to advance the theory and practice of
Homeopathy and correct the errors of the past. This is exactly what Dr.
Ardavan is doing in his research on the miasms. This is a great work, and
he is well qualified to under take it. I am proud of him!

As I stated, we needed to do a large, world-wide group case of
sycosis-HPV. We need to study the symptoms of the patient before and after
contracted the miasma and carefully record the changes in the body, mind
and soul. This is the only way we will really know the characteristic
mentals and generals as well as locations, sensations, modalities and
times. The we can find a complete homogeneous group of remedies that have
these characteristics. At the same time, we need to prove a nosode of HPV
and record any symptoms bought out in patients under treatment. This will
also give great insights into symptoms and treatment of Sycosis-HPV. These
are the tools Hahnemann has given us.

We need to do such things with all universal and endemic chronic miasma
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines." - Samuel Hahnemann

Homoeopathic Online Education (H.O.E)
Visit David Little's website:
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2006


David Little
Posts: 407
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:00 pm

Re: An article by David Little/ Soroush

Post by David Little »

At 10:52 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
Dear Soroush,

Hering stated in his preface to the American edition of the Chronic Diseases that it is for everyone to advance the theory and practice of Homeopathy and correct the errors of the past. This is exactly what Dr. Ardavan is doing in his research on the miasms. This is a great work, and he is well qualified to under take it. I am proud of him!

As to gonorrhea N - it certainly is a chronic miasma. We have over 100 years of experience of observing the chronic symptoms. We do not need to get rid of what we DO KNOW about gonorrheal cum sycosis. We need learn what we do not know about HPV-sycosis!

As I stated, we needed to do a large, world-wide group case of sycosis-HPV. We need to study the symptoms of the patient before and after contracted the miasma and carefully record the changes in the body, mind and soul. This is the only way we will really know the characteristic mentals and generals as well as locations, sensations, modalities and times.

On this basis we can find a complete homogeneous group of remedies that have these characteristics. These remedies will have the power to prevent, abort and the target miasma. At the same time, we need to prove a nosode of HPV and record any symptoms bought out in patients under treatment. This will also give great insights into symptoms and treatment of Sycosis-HPV. These are the tools Hahnemann has given us. We need to do such things with all universal and endemic chronic miasms.

Sincerely, David Little

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more medicines." - Samuel Hahnemann

Homoeopathic Online Education (H.O.E)
Visit David Little's website:
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2006
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more medicines." - Samuel Hahnemann

Homoeopathic Online Education (H.O.E)
Visit David Little's website:
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2006


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