NBHE Homeopathic Board? Is it really necesssary?

[Dana Ullman, MPH]

I have talked to and corresponded with various NBHE Board members and have
asked them why they exist when there are other more well-known,
well-respected, and well-accepted certification organizations (NASH, HANP,
and AIH). I have never gotten a reasonable explanation. Perhaps Solara or
someone else can provide an explanation.
Dana Ullman, MPH
Homeopathic Educational Services
2124 Kittredge St.
Berkeley, CA. 94704
(510)649-0294
(800)359-9051 (orders only in the U.S.)
(510)649-1955 (fax)
dullman@igc.org OR dana@homeopathic.com
http://www.homeopathic.com

[sacredqi888]

Re: NBHE Homeopathic Board? Is it really necesssary?

Dana,

This kind of talk on this list is very surprising to me. Why you
didn't call me to discuss this instead of posting it online?

and have
HANP,
Solara or

Your comments are uncalled for on a list of this magnitude and does
not show unity and respect. Your behavior borders on flaming our
professional organization. You preach unifying homeopathy. You're
wanting us to promote your upcoming book to unify homeopathy with the
general public, something that I agreed with. Yet you attack a
professional organization that promotes homeopathic standards. Why?

In the past you said there is too much discord among homeopaths and
homeopathic organizations. I said in my posts that I have given
referrals to the other boards when appropriate. Why are you opposed to
the professional organization that promotes the certification of all
medical professional's. We all serve a purpose.

NASH was founded 1990, and certifies both professional and lay people.

HANP The Homeopathic Academy of Naturopathic Physicians (HANP) is a
specialty society within the profession of naturopathic medicine, and
is affiliated with the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians.

AIH is for
The American Institute of Homeopathy, a 501(C)6 trade association
whose membership comprises medical and osteopathic physicians,
dentists, advanced practice nurses, and physician assistants, NOT ALL
legally recognized physicians in this country.

The NBHE incorporated in 1987 is open to all physicians D.C., R.Ph.,
M.D, D.O., A.P., N.D., D.O.M., D.V.M., D.D.S, D.M.D., and PhD and we
are committed to unifying the profession worldwide. We DO NOT
duplicate any organization that you mentioned.
I am open to a discussion but please let's take this off list.

Sincerely,
Solara Attatharya, DOM, AP, DNBHE

[Dana Ullman, MPH]

Dear Solara,
My original email below simply asked you (or someone at NBHE) to
explain why NBHE exists when there are other organizations that already do
the same work. You could have seen this as a great opportunity, but
instead, you chose to attack me and get extremely defensive. But even
worse, you showed that you do not seem to know that NASH works closely with
the CHC (Council for Homeopathic Certification) which certifies ALL licensed
and unlicensed homeopaths.
The sad news here is that NBHE members do not seem to know much
about other homeopathic organizations (I think that YOU were the only member
of NBHE at this year's conference, and typically, NONE of your members
attend them). If NBHE wants support from the homeopathic community, you
have to give it and you have to work with other organizations. In fact,
before you attended the conference, I personally talked with you and
encouraged you to meet with the NASH and CHC board members. I am curious if
you did so, though I sense that you missed this opportunity again.
Your attack on me reminds me about a previous experience that I had
many years ago with a NBHE board member who responded to an article that I
wrote for HOMEOPATHY TODAY in which I listed leading homeopathic certifying
organizations. I chose to not list the NBHE because, in my opinion, they
have not worked with other homeopathic organizations and that they are
simply providing a lower-grade certification process as compared with other
groups. The NBHE board member wrote a "letter to the editor" and complained
Dana Ullman omitted reference to the NBHE and that "SHE" doesn't know
anything about homeopathy.
I am an active proponent of collaboration amongst homeopaths, but I
am also against organizations that seem to be replicating services,
especially when they are not doing a good job at it (at least not yet).
Please know that I wish you and NBHE well, and I sincerely hope
that you get your act together, that you do so in collaboration with other
homeopathic organizations, that you do not get defensive when people ask
GOOD questions, and that you stop flaming and start working.
Finally, please do not question my efforts to collaborate with
homeopathic organizations. My history of activism speaks for itself. For
the record, this last conference was co-sponsored by 11 homeopathic
organizations! We purposefully didn't invite the NCHE, nor if the NBHE even
request collaboration with us. The writing is on the wall.

--Dana Ullman
Re: NBHE Homeopathic Board? Is it really necesssary?
Posted by: "sacredqi888" sunny@isp.com sacredqi888
Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:44 pm (PST)
Re: NBHE Homeopathic Board? Is it really necesssary?

Dana,

This kind of talk on this list is very surprising to me. Why you
didn't call me to discuss this instead of posting it online?

and have
HANP,
Solara or

Your comments are uncalled for on a list of this magnitude and does
not show unity and respect. Your behavior borders on flaming our
professional organization. You preach unifying homeopathy. You're
wanting us to promote your upcoming book to unify homeopathy with the
general public, something that I agreed with. Yet you attack a
professional organization that promotes homeopathic standards. Why?

In the past you said there is too much discord among homeopaths and
homeopathic organizations. I said in my posts that I have given
referrals to the other boards when appropriate. Why are you opposed to
the professional organization that promotes the certification of all
medical professional's. We all serve a purpose.

NASH was founded 1990, and certifies both professional and lay people.

HANP The Homeopathic Academy of Naturopathic Physicians (HANP) is a
specialty society within the profession of naturopathic medicine, and
is affiliated with the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians.

AIH is for
The American Institute of Homeopathy, a 501(C)6 trade association
whose membership comprises medical and osteopathic physicians,
dentists, advanced practice nurses, and physician assistants, NOT ALL
legally recognized physicians in this country.

The NBHE incorporated in 1987 is open to all physicians D.C., R.Ph.,
M.D, D.O., A.P., N.D., D.O.M., D.V.M., D.D.S, D.M.D., and PhD and we
are committed to unifying the profession worldwide. We DO NOT
duplicate any organization that you mentioned.
I am open to a discussion but please let's take this off list.

Sincerely,
Solara Attatharya, DOM, AP, DNBHE

Dana Ullman, MPH
Homeopathic Educational Services
2124 Kittredge St.
Berkeley, CA. 94704
(510)649-0294
(800)359-9051 (orders only in the U.S.)
(510)649-1955 (fax)
dullman@igc.org OR dana@homeopathic.com
http://www.homeopathic.com

[Shannon Nelson]

On Apr 26, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Dana Ullman wrote:
Why not invite them, as a way of opening communication and inviting
them "into the fold"? It's certainly useful for the groups to be
familiar with and in communication with each other--even if there is
duplication, and even if there are differences. IMHO.

Shannon

[harridan37]

Clearly a disturbing exchange between 'professionals'.

Solara - I for one am very sorry that you had to suffer through this
most public attack on you; and it is my intention to clearly show my
distain in this type of behaviour amongst so called 'professionals'.

Dana - homeopathy does not need 'activists' - homeopathy needs good
physicians.

In the future - I for one would be appreciative of you [Dana] not
utilizing this discussion board to promote yourself as an 'author'
or 'activist'. It is not the purpose of this group - and neither is
bullying another member which in my mind's eye is exactly what
transpired here.

Karen DeNoble.
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[Irene de Villiers]

sacredqi888 wrote:

My feeling in answer to this is:

No doubt because other list members may also be interested in what NBHE
is about or why they exist. Is it necessary to be so defensive about a
straight-forward request for an explanation?

I see your defensive answer as one that puts me off looking into the
organisation.
I'd far rather see an open discussion of which organisation does what.

I'm a homeopath interested in which organisation does what and why. I'm
not all that impressed with what I find out sometimes - and other times
it is nice to see what the motives and reasonings are. Personally I've
no clue yet what NBHE is or stands for.
Once I find out - it's for me to decide what is in line with my own
thinking is it not? Is this not an opportunity to present NBHE's
objectives and goals?

Knowing that, is essential in my eyes towards choosing which
organisations to support for holding views with which I may concur - and
which not to support for holding views which happen not to coincide with
mine.

So I am at a loss to understand why you do not take the opportunity to
"advertise" your organisation in response to this question?

I am at even greater loss to understand some other list comments that
suggest doing so or asking for information is somehow starting a war!!!

Information never hurts anyone with ethical objectives:-)
How respected an organisation is, is open to individual decision - but
knowing more about them all is in my view a good thing.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

harridan37 wrote:

Why?
There was no attack on Solara here - or anyone else (at least until you
attacked someone in your own email).
There was a question about an organisation - NBHE - not about Solara:-))
Let's please NOT attack any people - but feel free to discuss what
organisations are about!
That's debatable.
Had I not been an activist myself I would have been disallowed to
practice homeopathy in my own state here! Instead after being "an
activist", I have a letter from WA state to say that the way I practise
is fully within the WA state laws and that if I do not change that
method, I will not be harassed and investigatred again. Hmmm. This was
after I was initially falsely accused of practicing medicine without a
license and told to quit!
So in what way does homeopathy "not need activists?"
Homeopathy needs good homeopaths not good physicians. The definition of
"Physician" does not include "homeopathy"!
You don't see that as personal attack?
And you claim you dislike personal attack?

Hmmm.... do you have a mirror?

....IRene

PS I do not know Dana at all - I just abhor personal attack of people
and of any confusion between organisations and people.
A person is not an organisation! Questioning and criticizing an
organisation is fair game - not so a human being.
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

[Dogs on Holiday UK]

Yes, I would be interested in knowing more. To be honest, I've never heard
of NBHE, and am still none the wiser!

I'm not defending Dana's comments to you, neither am I in agreement with
your attitude, but putting that aside, may be now is your opportunity to
enlighten us (or those who doesn't know) about NBHE.
Christine
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com
www.homoeopathyclassical.com

[Shannon Nelson]

Maybe it's a temperament thing. I was surprised at the tone of both
Dana's questions and Sunny's reply. Must've been some prior exchanges?

But I want to heartily agree that we DO need activists--lots more of
'em!
And Dana's been active on the scene for a good, long while--so please,
don't try to muzzle the man!!! Tho yeah, a "kinder, gentler" style of
questioning wouldn't have gone amiss in my book, nor would a *private*
inquiry. I don't think the list is really a great place for the
hanging of dirty laundry nor airing of personal frustrations. But it
would be a GREAT place for educating us all on the various
organizations' existence and purposes.

(And Irene, congrats on that victory--no small thing!!!! ) )
Shannon

[Dogs on Holiday UK]

Hi Irene

There's a link to Dana's website on this page :

www.homoeopathyclassical.com
Christine
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com
www.homoeopathyclassical.com