Hi Tanya
I'm flattered that you are addressing this question to me.
I know there are other vet homeopaths on this site and hope they will add their comments as well.
You seem to have done a nice job of prescribing for your cat over the years. Your selected remedies have helped heal her different problems along the way.
This is a long and complicated case. I am not sure I can do it justice here in this forum. However I will give you my impressions and try to explain how I would approach the case.
First, you mentioned you recently took Puss Puss for an exam at a local vet. If blood work (CBC/SMA/T4 and urine analysis) were not done, I would have suggested this be done. Any cat of her age that is starting to have problems, would benefit from having a screening blood work profile as suggested above. As a veterinarian,I would want to know the functioning of the liver, kidneys, thyroid, and urine status. All these could impact the different problems you are stating in your report.
Then her different problems have responded and resolved with the different remedies.
Except for the Nit ac that you gave (and mentioned her unforgiving nature) the other remedies seemed to be based on her physical symptoms alone. It almost seems like you were prescribing allopathically for each symptom rather than on the whole picture. This may not have been the case. But from what you wrote that is what is sounded like to me.
Nat mur is a great cat remedy in general and covers skin and drooling and grief (from the other cats' dying) as well. So I could see this as a good remedy for her.
Also when I look to evaluate a response after giving a remedy to an animal, I always look at the mental picture as well as the physical improvement. I expect to see an improved mental state along with an improved physical state to convince me the remedy is working in the correct direction. And improved physical state without the improved mental state makes me wonder if I suppressed something. Just a thought.
Right now with your cat, I would get the blood and urine analysis to rule out any serious disease, then I would repertorize on the weakness issues. This is a big issue with her,especially the falling down so frequently. Also I would use the white patch in her mouth (because it seems rare and peculiar).
The other issue that is confusing to me is the flea allergy. Does she have fleas?? If so what are you doing to get rid of the fleas? There are many non toxic products that I could suggest if you need this information, but even the ones like advantage usually only have to be applied once or twice and they will kill all the fleas. An indoor cat usually does not get re-exposed. Does PP go outdoors?
I also ask my clients about vaccines and their history. That's a whole other big question. But some animals with a heavy vaccine load may need a vaccinosis remedy (that fits the picture) at some point to help get rid of that piece of the pie.
So I can't tell you whether to continue with Nat mur just yet.
I would like more information.
I also get more information on the cat's basic personality before prescribing...so that would need to be elaborated.
The other issue is I usually stay with a remedy and go up in potency until I think it is no longer working. From what you said I wasn't sure if you just used it once, and once the symptoms were gone, stopped the remedy and made changes.
In the light of the discussion about not prescribing without seeing a patient, I don't feel I have enough information to really talk about exact remedies. However I hope I gave you some ideas of how to go further with her case.
Rodent ulcers are very difficult to treat and if you were able to treat it and resolve it you did a good job..
Nat mur certainly sounds like a good remedy for her, especially if her appetite improved after it.
Feel free to contact me again.
Best, Jill
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Tanya's cat
Dear Jill,
Your response is great. Let me elaborate regarding your questions.
First, you mentioned you recently took Puss Puss for an exam at a local vet. If blood work (CBC/SMA/T4 and urine analysis) were not done, I would have suggested this be done. Any cat of her age that is starting to have problems, would benefit from having a screening blood work profile as suggested above. As a veterinarian,I would want to know the functioning of the liver, kidneys, thyroid, and urine status. All these could impact the different problems you are stating in your report.
***PP did have blood work done in July, at her exam. I do not know if they did urine. Their diagnosis was "some kind of infection in her system" As I recall, her organs were in good shape. My concern is that I should re-examine her.
Then her different problems have responded and resolved with the different remedies.
Except for the Nit ac that you gave (and mentioned her unforgiving nature) the other remedies seemed to be based on her physical symptoms alone. It almost seems like you were prescribing allopathically for each symptom rather than on the whole picture. This may not have been the case. But from what you wrote that is what is sounded like to me.
***I am sorry if I neglected the state of mind of PP. I always try to include emotional/mental/behaviorial states. I certainly took into account her grief after Shadow died.
Nat mur is a great cat remedy in general and covers skin and drooling and grief (from the other cats' dying) as well. So I could see this as a good remedy for her.
Also when I look to evaluate a response after giving a remedy to an animal, I always look at the mental picture as well as the physical improvement. I expect to see an improved mental state along with an improved physical state to convince me the remedy is working in the correct direction. And improved physical state without the improved mental state makes me wonder if I suppressed something. Just a thought.
***After Nat mur 200c her mental state changed for the better. she seemed more comfortable with me and began to sit on the couch with me again. She began to go outside more and began to mouse again, outdoors. As her condition began to deteriorate this past December, she began to isolate more, go outside less, got fussier in her eating. And this is when the eye discharge began and her walking and jumping became even more tentative, although she has not been falling since the summer course of Nat mur.
Right now with your cat, I would get the blood and urine analysis to rule out any serious disease, then I would repertorize on the weakness issues. This is a big issue with her,especially the falling down so frequently. Also I would use the white patch in her mouth (because it seems rare and peculiar).
The other issue that is confusing to me is the flea allergy. Does she have fleas?? If so what are you doing to get rid of the fleas? There are many non toxic products that I could suggest if you need this information, but even the ones like advantage usually only have to be applied once or twice and they will kill all the fleas. An indoor cat usually does not get re-exposed. Does PP go outdoors?
***PP is an indoor/outdoor cat. I live in a rural area and fleas abound. I have tried to use powders, tea tree oil, combing. Because of her insanely hysterical nature when trying to do anything to her, it is almost impossible. The Nat mur seemed to be the first thing that i tried that altered her susceptibility. And again, as her health reversed again in December, I began to find little sores and combing pulled out a couple of fleas. Once her eating started to improve this past summer, I was able to add Nutritional yeast to her food and she began to tolerate it. In the past I couldnt get her to eat food with the yeast on it. I redosed her w/Nat mur early this past week and the eye discharge cleared up almost immediately, along with the fleas and sores.
I also ask my clients about vaccines and their history. That's a whole other big question. But some animals with a heavy vaccine load may need a vaccinosis remedy (that fits the picture) at some point to help get rid of that piece of the pie.
***PP has never been vaccinated, to my knowledge. I dont support them.
So I can't tell you whether to continue with Nat mur just yet.
I would like more information.
I also get more information on the cat's basic personality before prescribing...so that would need to be elaborated.
***Her basic personality has 2 main sides. On one hand she can be a mush. When younger she would roll back in you arms and lean her head on you, like a baby. The other side is very leary and hysterical. She totally freaks out if you try to do anything to her. She seems to hold grudges. Today there was a man in the house who PP seemed to like. When he stood up to let her out, she freaked and wouldnt walk around him to go out the door. She used to love being groomed by my recently deceased cat, but it was very rarely that she ever reciprocated. I call her my self-centered teenage brat (affectionately, of course). There is a 'taking' aspect to her personality. Although, she did pretty well mothering her one litter, years ago, before she was fixed.
The other issue is I usually stay with a remedy and go up in potency until I think it is no longer working. From what you said I wasn't sure if you just used it once, and once the symptoms were gone, stopped the remedy and made changes.
***The Nat mur was given about 4x this past summer, over a period of several weeks. When she seemed on a distinctive upward trend, I stopped the Rx. I redosed her with the same potency when the eye discharge began. I think there is still a lot of grief with this kitty--or maybe it's loneliness. She has never been an only kitty before. I would get another cat, but dont know how she would handle it. It could make things worse. About the end of November, I thought her eating was declining and her walking/movement was deteriorating, but wasnt sure. I went out of town for 4 days in mid-December and left her in the house (a neighbor came by to feed her daily, and hopefully pet her a bit). It was when I returned that she evidenced the eye discharge, first in one eye, then in the other simultaneously, as the condition began to worsen. And it became clear to me that she was isolating again. She was clearly upset at my being gone. So, I would say that the Nat mur still works, even at the same potency, at least to some degree. But the weakness and isolating are real concerns still.
Rodent ulcers are very difficult to treat and if you were able to treat it and resolve it you did a good job..
Nat mur certainly sounds like a good remedy for her, especially if her appetite improved after it.
Feel free to contact me again.
***Well, I hope you dont mind my taking you up on your offer.
Thank you
Tanya
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Your response is great. Let me elaborate regarding your questions.
First, you mentioned you recently took Puss Puss for an exam at a local vet. If blood work (CBC/SMA/T4 and urine analysis) were not done, I would have suggested this be done. Any cat of her age that is starting to have problems, would benefit from having a screening blood work profile as suggested above. As a veterinarian,I would want to know the functioning of the liver, kidneys, thyroid, and urine status. All these could impact the different problems you are stating in your report.
***PP did have blood work done in July, at her exam. I do not know if they did urine. Their diagnosis was "some kind of infection in her system" As I recall, her organs were in good shape. My concern is that I should re-examine her.
Then her different problems have responded and resolved with the different remedies.
Except for the Nit ac that you gave (and mentioned her unforgiving nature) the other remedies seemed to be based on her physical symptoms alone. It almost seems like you were prescribing allopathically for each symptom rather than on the whole picture. This may not have been the case. But from what you wrote that is what is sounded like to me.
***I am sorry if I neglected the state of mind of PP. I always try to include emotional/mental/behaviorial states. I certainly took into account her grief after Shadow died.
Nat mur is a great cat remedy in general and covers skin and drooling and grief (from the other cats' dying) as well. So I could see this as a good remedy for her.
Also when I look to evaluate a response after giving a remedy to an animal, I always look at the mental picture as well as the physical improvement. I expect to see an improved mental state along with an improved physical state to convince me the remedy is working in the correct direction. And improved physical state without the improved mental state makes me wonder if I suppressed something. Just a thought.
***After Nat mur 200c her mental state changed for the better. she seemed more comfortable with me and began to sit on the couch with me again. She began to go outside more and began to mouse again, outdoors. As her condition began to deteriorate this past December, she began to isolate more, go outside less, got fussier in her eating. And this is when the eye discharge began and her walking and jumping became even more tentative, although she has not been falling since the summer course of Nat mur.
Right now with your cat, I would get the blood and urine analysis to rule out any serious disease, then I would repertorize on the weakness issues. This is a big issue with her,especially the falling down so frequently. Also I would use the white patch in her mouth (because it seems rare and peculiar).
The other issue that is confusing to me is the flea allergy. Does she have fleas?? If so what are you doing to get rid of the fleas? There are many non toxic products that I could suggest if you need this information, but even the ones like advantage usually only have to be applied once or twice and they will kill all the fleas. An indoor cat usually does not get re-exposed. Does PP go outdoors?
***PP is an indoor/outdoor cat. I live in a rural area and fleas abound. I have tried to use powders, tea tree oil, combing. Because of her insanely hysterical nature when trying to do anything to her, it is almost impossible. The Nat mur seemed to be the first thing that i tried that altered her susceptibility. And again, as her health reversed again in December, I began to find little sores and combing pulled out a couple of fleas. Once her eating started to improve this past summer, I was able to add Nutritional yeast to her food and she began to tolerate it. In the past I couldnt get her to eat food with the yeast on it. I redosed her w/Nat mur early this past week and the eye discharge cleared up almost immediately, along with the fleas and sores.
I also ask my clients about vaccines and their history. That's a whole other big question. But some animals with a heavy vaccine load may need a vaccinosis remedy (that fits the picture) at some point to help get rid of that piece of the pie.
***PP has never been vaccinated, to my knowledge. I dont support them.
So I can't tell you whether to continue with Nat mur just yet.
I would like more information.
I also get more information on the cat's basic personality before prescribing...so that would need to be elaborated.
***Her basic personality has 2 main sides. On one hand she can be a mush. When younger she would roll back in you arms and lean her head on you, like a baby. The other side is very leary and hysterical. She totally freaks out if you try to do anything to her. She seems to hold grudges. Today there was a man in the house who PP seemed to like. When he stood up to let her out, she freaked and wouldnt walk around him to go out the door. She used to love being groomed by my recently deceased cat, but it was very rarely that she ever reciprocated. I call her my self-centered teenage brat (affectionately, of course). There is a 'taking' aspect to her personality. Although, she did pretty well mothering her one litter, years ago, before she was fixed.
The other issue is I usually stay with a remedy and go up in potency until I think it is no longer working. From what you said I wasn't sure if you just used it once, and once the symptoms were gone, stopped the remedy and made changes.
***The Nat mur was given about 4x this past summer, over a period of several weeks. When she seemed on a distinctive upward trend, I stopped the Rx. I redosed her with the same potency when the eye discharge began. I think there is still a lot of grief with this kitty--or maybe it's loneliness. She has never been an only kitty before. I would get another cat, but dont know how she would handle it. It could make things worse. About the end of November, I thought her eating was declining and her walking/movement was deteriorating, but wasnt sure. I went out of town for 4 days in mid-December and left her in the house (a neighbor came by to feed her daily, and hopefully pet her a bit). It was when I returned that she evidenced the eye discharge, first in one eye, then in the other simultaneously, as the condition began to worsen. And it became clear to me that she was isolating again. She was clearly upset at my being gone. So, I would say that the Nat mur still works, even at the same potency, at least to some degree. But the weakness and isolating are real concerns still.
Rodent ulcers are very difficult to treat and if you were able to treat it and resolve it you did a good job..
Nat mur certainly sounds like a good remedy for her, especially if her appetite improved after it.
Feel free to contact me again.
***Well, I hope you dont mind my taking you up on your offer.
Thank you
Tanya
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Dr. Jill Elliot
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Re: Tanya's cat
HI Tanya
Thanks for the elaboration of information.
My first impression is that if Nat mur is working well with your cat, I would continue until you don't think it's having any effect.
Repeating same potencies until a clear indication to go to the next is seen.
That being said, I did a quick repertorization.
I used
Mouth, discoloration, white patches.
Mouth, discoloration, white patches, palate.
Extremities weakness
Mind grief
Mind fear
Merc viv came up as number 1(which covered all these rubrics).
followed by Nat-p, Carc., Phos., Sulph.
merc certainly covers the rodent ulcer as well.
So see what you think and play with more rubrics as well.
Try to categorize the fear if possible.
I find Merc cats usually somewhat aggressive in general, but not always. Certainly can be fearful.
When I added falling as a rubric, Caust. came up (but did n't have the white patches in the mouth).
Keep us posted as the progress of your cat.
In terms of the conventional vet,
"He has an infectious somewhere" is just too vague for me. Perhaps values for her
white blood cell line were
increased. That might be why you were told that. I don't know whether more blood tests would help. However it wouldn't hurt to repeat it if you would like.
If
you live in NYC and would like to schedule an office or
telephone consultation appointment with me,
please contact me privately
at happytails@mindspring.com
and I would be happy to meet with you.
There is an excellent book written by Don Hamilton, DVM
"Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs". It is written for the lay person. However I think it is more geared to the professional. In addition to the homeopathic advice he list for each condition, he also lists many supplements that can be very helpful in treating each condition. I use his suggestions a lot in my work.
I think any homeopath treating animals would benefit from reading his book.
Best,
Jill Elliot
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Thanks for the elaboration of information.
My first impression is that if Nat mur is working well with your cat, I would continue until you don't think it's having any effect.
Repeating same potencies until a clear indication to go to the next is seen.
That being said, I did a quick repertorization.
I used
Mouth, discoloration, white patches.
Mouth, discoloration, white patches, palate.
Extremities weakness
Mind grief
Mind fear
Merc viv came up as number 1(which covered all these rubrics).
followed by Nat-p, Carc., Phos., Sulph.
merc certainly covers the rodent ulcer as well.
So see what you think and play with more rubrics as well.
Try to categorize the fear if possible.
I find Merc cats usually somewhat aggressive in general, but not always. Certainly can be fearful.
When I added falling as a rubric, Caust. came up (but did n't have the white patches in the mouth).
Keep us posted as the progress of your cat.
In terms of the conventional vet,
"He has an infectious somewhere" is just too vague for me. Perhaps values for her
white blood cell line were
increased. That might be why you were told that. I don't know whether more blood tests would help. However it wouldn't hurt to repeat it if you would like.
If
you live in NYC and would like to schedule an office or
telephone consultation appointment with me,
please contact me privately
at happytails@mindspring.com
and I would be happy to meet with you.
There is an excellent book written by Don Hamilton, DVM
"Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs". It is written for the lay person. However I think it is more geared to the professional. In addition to the homeopathic advice he list for each condition, he also lists many supplements that can be very helpful in treating each condition. I use his suggestions a lot in my work.
I think any homeopath treating animals would benefit from reading his book.
Best,
Jill Elliot
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Tanya's cat
Jill,
Sometimes I think I live in another world. I can have such difficulty finding rubrics. 'Falling' is one of them. I am using Synthesis 8 on Radar and am still not able to locate rubrics easily. Are you looking it up with any other wording?
PP is assertive but not aggressive; quite the opposite. She can be quite nervous and retiring.
thanks for the help. I live upstate NY. Actually I think we met at a conference about a year ago. I came across your name among some conference notes the other day. Were you at the Sankaran workshop in NYC about a year ago?
tanya
Sometimes I think I live in another world. I can have such difficulty finding rubrics. 'Falling' is one of them. I am using Synthesis 8 on Radar and am still not able to locate rubrics easily. Are you looking it up with any other wording?
PP is assertive but not aggressive; quite the opposite. She can be quite nervous and retiring.
thanks for the help. I live upstate NY. Actually I think we met at a conference about a year ago. I came across your name among some conference notes the other day. Were you at the Sankaran workshop in NYC about a year ago?
tanya