Vegetative sphere??? The organic substance of the body???

[maly suissa]

I have finally understood what is so discouraging in reading some of the basic old books: it's the language!
For example, would somebody be as kind as to explain to me the meaning of the pair of words 'vegetative sphere', which Cowperthwaite uses in his Textbook of MM for the following (sample) remedies:
Sepia: 'Affects especially the portal, hepatic, and the female sexual systems, and diminishes in general the reproductive energies of the VEGETATIVE SPHERE.'
Silica: 'Acts powerfully upon the VEGETATIVE SPHERE, affecting more especially the organic substance of the body and involving prominently mucous surfaces, glandular structures, bones and joints.'
In this last sentence he uses another of those terms: 'THE ORGANIC SUBSTANCE OF THE BODY'. Now, is there any substance in the body which is *not* organic?
Feeling helpless,
Maly

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[Teresa Kramer]

No idea about “vegetative sphere” and am going to be interested in the answers, but in the case of “the organic substance” I expect he means as opposed to the Vital Force (spirit/soul, whatever). For “vegetative sphere” Yasgur would have a good answer no doubt. I have mislaid my copy or else I would look it up for you. Teresa (in Northern VA)
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For example, would somebody be as kind as to explain to me the meaning of the pair of words ‘vegetative sphere’
In this last sentence he uses another of those terms: ‘THE ORGANIC SUBSTANCE OF THE BODY’. Now, is there any substance in the body which is *not* organic?

[Tanya Marquette]

yasgur only talks about the vegetative dystonia or reflexes. vegetative, he says
"refers to the fact that many of our bodily functions are plant-like or qutomatic
(in other words, we don't think about them and these are under the control fof
the autonomic nervous system).
so that is the clue to use
tanya

[eireneus]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, maly suissa wrote:
of the basic old books: it's the language!
For an old problem I use an old solution!
My 1934 Chambers dictionary defines

Vegetative-
growing,as plants; producing growth; pertaining to
unconscious or involuntary bodily functions as resembling the processes of vegetable growth;without intellectual activity.
Laurence

meaning of the pair of words `vegetative sphere', which Cowperthwaite
uses in his Textbook of MM for the following (sample) remedies:
sexual systems, and diminishes in general the reproductive energies
of the VEGETATIVE SPHERE.'
more especially the organic substance of the body and involving
prominently mucous surfaces, glandular structures, bones and joints.'
ORGANIC SUBSTANCE OF THE BODY'. Now, is there any substance in the
body which is *not* organic?

[Gaby Rottler]

Hi Maly,
vegetative sphere is not a homoeopathic term, just a normal medical one.

The nervous system can be functionally divided into:
- voluntary (somativ) nervous system
- vegetative (autonomous) nervous system.

The latter dominates Sympathicus and Parasympathicus, those nerves
which regulate Heart beat, bronchii, peristalsis, thyroid secretions
etc.etc.

As for the organic substances:
Some remedies cause pains, sensations etc. - but aren't so prominently
known to influence the organic matter, causing changes there. Organic
matter are things you could touch, e.g.

You can#t touch pain, however.

Best,

Gaby

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[suissa_m]

Thank you Tanya, Teresa and Laurence. To summarize your answers:
The "vegetative sphere" must be the ANS and its related organs,
whereas "the organic substance of the body" would be the physical,
or as we term them "generals & particulars" as opposed to "mentals &
Emotionals" which constitute the Mind chapter?
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Tanya Marquette"
wrote:
vegetative, he says
like or qutomatic
control fof
of the body???
the answers, but in the case of "the organic substance" I expect he
means as opposed to the Vital Force (spirit/soul, whatever).
For "vegetative sphere" Yasgur would have a good answer no doubt. I
have mislaid my copy or else I would look it up for you. Teresa (in
Northern VA)
meaning of the pair of words `vegetative sphere'
SUBSTANCE OF THE BODY'. Now, is there any substance in the body
which is *not* organic?

[suissa_m]

Thank you Gaby. Your answer re organic substance differs from what I
gathered after receiving previous answers, but I assume that you are
familiar with those terms, as you are (if I remember correctly) one
of the voices in this list who advocate learning from the old books


--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Gaby Rottler" wrote:
Cowperthwaite
female
energies
affecting
joints.'
the
medical one.
secretions
prominently
Organic