A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory

[Tina Belgaumkar]

Hi Tanya,

It is great to hear from you.
as you say Allopaths claim they know every thing, actually Allopathy doesnot
have much to offer in most of the diseases, I get patients, suffring from
skin diseases, Arthritis, colitis, Asthma, Allergies, and so many diseases ,
I am able to help most of the diseases, so we Homeopaths have to unite &
send messages to the Lancet & other medical jernals how we can help the
suffering Humanity.
I like to hear from the other Homeopaths from the other side of the world.

waiting to hear from you all,

Dr.Tina Belgaumkar

Dr.Chinnamma Tina Belgaumkar
Belna Homoeopathy & Wellness Centre
70 Cass Ave. unit # 124, Scarborough,
Ontario, Canada. M1T 3P9
416-293-6693, 416 697-9355 Hi
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Dream on........
I tried years ago to send articles to journals..........and received catch 22 answers: 1. we do not publish articles concerning unproven methods (that is the polite version) ==> answer: this article will demonstrate how it works and might put it into the proven category ==> 2. no way, first it has to be proven, then we can publish ==> but how can I prove it if I cannot publish? ==> you need to have your article accepted ==> then please accept my article! ==> we cannot it, is not a proven methodology.
Fortunately this was not a face to face conversation................I would be making license plates now...

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi JROZ, Tina,
Some years ago I spent several months studying a stack of homepaathic
clinical trials about 20 cms high. I had an idea.

Knowing very little about statistics, I enrolled in a
"statistics course for idiots" offered at a university here by a bona
fide professor of mathematical statistics. At the last lectures we
were allowed to present our own cases.

The professor himself was a full skeptic as far as homeopathy goes,
there was another student, who is himself a Professor of Medicine at a
university, also completely of the "homeopathy is quack" persuasion.

Yet: I presented my idea on the statistical outcome of ALL the
clinical trials taken together and *those two had to agree that
actually the clinical trials showed that the statistics were
significantly positive for homeopathy*.

What the homeopathic community should do is to get a *real* expert on
statistics, i. e. an opinion by an expert statistician (e.g. a
professor of mathematical statistics) to evaluate all the known
trials. S/he need not know anything about homeopathy. This would very
likely statistically prove the effectiveness of homeopathy.

(Let me warn you, however: most of the trials with positive outcome
were done with combos:-)

I know there would still be such things as publication bias and
standards of the trials in the way - but I have a suspicion that the
result would be so significantly positive that those considerations
would not be very much of a hurdle.

There does not seem to be much interest in hard data inside
the homeopathic community, as I have found out again lately. Still,
reading Tina's appeal, I thought I would mention it.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Tina Belgaumkar]

Hello,

why only the problems in North America.
In India , Europe, Austalia etc.. placess Homeopathy is well respected, The
Queen's family was the one carry their own Homeopathic physicians where ever
they ruled, we have evidence two of the Hospitls "Grace General Hospital in
Toronto Ontario, & the Queen Elizebeth Hospital in Montreal Qubec till
1930's. The queen left Homeopathy shut it down...is it only for the Queen ,
Dukes, etc.
I blame the public keeping quite, now a days many are using Homeopathic Meds
, in Canada we have free drugs , if it was covered with the medical program
I can tell you Homeopathy will be used by many , most of the people has drug
covarage, not Homeopathy ? ....

so if we all stand up together we will get furthur for
sure.................................
with regards.

Dr.Tina Belgaumkar
Dr.Chinnamma Tina Belgaumkar
Belna Homoeopathy & Wellness Centre
70 Cass Ave. unit # 124, Scarborough,
Ontario, Canada. M1T 3P9
416-293-6693, 416 697-9355

[Shannon M]

On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 05:34 PM, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD
wrote:

Yeah...
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[rpautrey2]

United States: FDA, pharmco, AMA, PAC money, lobbying, etc. You can't
out spend them or out spin them. It's about money and control. Paul
Autrey
- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Belgaumkar" wrote:
respected,

[Shannon M]

You betcha. The AMA (fascinating bit of history) was actually begun
for the specific purpose of "protecting" the mainstream docs of the day
from "homeopaths and herbalists". See Harris Coulter's really
interesting "History of Homeopathy and the AMA" (I think I remember
that title right--it's a much better read than the title might sound!)
From there the mission was enlarged to "protect" them from (partial
list) chiropractors, acupuncturists, and all those other "quacks" (i.e.
"other methods" of most any sort!) as well. Within the last decade or
so the acupuncturists and then the chiropractors won legal battles to
stop the AMA's harassment (e.g. one case where an MD lost his license
for "consorting" with a chiropractor--his wife! And numerous similar
instances). We could do the same (get taken seriously, that is, and
gain some legal protection), if we could stop the infighting and pull
together!!!!
Shannon
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[Tanya Marquette]

what is really interesting is that during the 19c, it was the failuires of
the communtyh
that got sent to medical school which was a 1 yrs course. in an
agricultural society,
those who couldnt do well on the farms were often sent to the towns to work
in small businesses and those who weren't making it there were sent to
medical
school. so when elizabeth blackwell fought to get into one of these
schools, she
was sitting with these poor bumpkins who made a big deal of having a woman
in their class. for those not from the usa, eliz blackweel was condsidered
the
first female doctor here. of course this excludes all the 'eclectics..

tanya
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[Shannon M]

Luise,
What a neat experience and a good idea!
And yet, it's funny... Those same people who are (or profess to be)
unimpressed by simple good results--are they apt to be better impressed
by an "expert" pointing out that, hey, that's actually a good result?
Still, I think you are quite right to mention that, once the studies
are *done*, their interpretation should not be left up to folks with an
obvious axe to grind, as they will no doubt (continue to) see (or
profess to see) what they wish to. The ol' "spin factor", I guess!
Shannon
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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Shannon,
The "goog" results have been "anecdotal" and the kinds of
journals that count - even those
that are somewhat impartial - and many people of the same mind set
will not accept purely anecdotal evidence.

As it says in the "Synopsis" the Project v. Boenninghausen is an
attempt to remedy the lack of non-anecdotal evidence.

Pointing to the possibility of getting an expert opinion on the
statistical evicence is another attempt.
Most certainly. But, when all is said and done, we need not care what
the "allopaths" nor the pharma companies think - or profess to think -
of us. Important is what we can do to make the authorities think and
the potential patients.

As you said in another post and have been saying, same as I have been
saying numerous times over the years - infighting between the people
who employ different ways of using and prescribing "highly diluted and
potentized remedies", as is happening worldwide, is very
contra-productive to this aim, which should be primary concern.

Regards

Luise

The ol' "spin factor", I guess!

--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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