Poor circulation

[Gail]

Am wondering about a specific for circumstantial poor circulation.

My daughter is responding well to Nat Mur as a constitutional. However
she is having problems with her circulation. It is winter here at the
moment and she is part of a Surf Club so she is out on the water in
the evenings around sunset and also at least once a week before
sunrise doing training. The mornings seem to affect her more - I guess
they are colder. She comes home and takes ages to warm up - her
fingers and toes stay numb and cold for a long time. After a very cold
morning her finger tips are still feeling sore and sensitive to
pressure in the evening.

Does anyone have any experience that would be relevant to this. So far
I am considering Magnetis polus Aust.

Gail.

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Gail,
Is this a new thing, or does she have a history of fingers and toes
getting and staying so cold and numb?
Best,
Shannon
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[Gail]

Thanks for your interest Shannon,

It's hard to tell if it is new to her. This is the first year that
she has been doing the winter training and exposed to such extreme
cold - so it is the first time that we have become aware that she
has a susceptibility to cold in this way.

She has been on Nat Mur LM3 for about 2 months following an episode
that looked like heading into the glandular fever chronic fatigue,
acutely treated successfully with Mercury. I was surprised when the
homeopath who I consulted typed her as Nat Mur - that became a huge
learning curve for me, now I understand a lot more about Nat Mur.

She has been prone to ankle injuries and I have found for these to
resolve well - following arnica, and also for quite a few other
issues in the past she has benefitted greatly from Ledum 30.

Also in the back of my mind is that quite a few years ago a
homoeopath did wonder if Nat Nitricum would suit her - but this was
never tried, and she has a basically healthy constitution so I
haven't really looked too hard for a constitutional for her until
this year. I see that Nitric Acid is in Synthesis under frostbite -
while Nat Mur is not - I wonder whether, using Scholten's ideas of
combinations, Nat Nit would help her coldness. M-aust is also under
frostbite - my link there is that several years ago she did suffer
from an ingrown toenail (m-aust is specific for this)and ingrown
toenails do run in the family.

Nat Mur in Clarkes MM has - Cold hands, numbness and tingling in the
fingers, tingling in hands and feet, esp on joints and tips of
fingers and toes. It's a bit tricky knowing whether the Nat mur is
aggravating this symptom and in someway it could be a proving
symptom (she does tend towards sensitivity) or whether if we keep
going with Nat mur it will remove the symptom.

Gail.
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[Rochelle Marsden]

I'm just wondering if she has Raynaud's complaint?

Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Gail,
You don't mention what her overall response has been to nat-m--has
there been any alleviation in the reasons for which it was prescribed,
any changes (noticeable either to her or to you) in other areas?
Scholten--for e.g. Roger Morrison talked about it some years ago
(under the term "synthetic prescribing"); the idea that if you see
symptoms relating to one mineral and also to another, you might
consider their "salt". He said that, to feel "confident" in such a
prescription you would also like to see the presence of (something
like) a "keynote" symptom which relates *specifically* to the
combination, but when working with combinations without much track
record obviously that might not happen.
know) that having her fingers say *so* cold all day long is just not a
good thing, and not something that should continue under the influence
of a well-acting remedy. I would love to hear others' thoughts about
that, tho...

The M-aust / ingrowing toenail idea also seems interesting... I can't
get at my repertory at the moment, but wonder what other remedies might
also be listed both for frostbite (or chillblains??) (or cold
extremities?) and also ingrowing toenails--I dimly remember that latter
rubric has at least a few remedies in it??
Shannon
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[Gail]

Hi Shannon, Rochelle and others,

Yes, the symptoms do sound like Raynauds, does that help with remedy
selection?

Response to Nat Mur - It's not so easy to qualify as there was not
really a specific symptomatic reason for the prescription. She had
the flu-like illness which was treated acutely with Merc. Nat Mur
was to follow as a general health improver. She's a very active
blonde, blue eyed, 17 year old who has had a tendency to sprain her
ankle during sporting competition, and has also been suffering a
flare up of adolescent acne for the previous 6 - 8 months. She is
hoping to head into Physiotherapy. She is very responsible,
practical, and organised, yet is a bit of a thrill seeker - enjoys
the adrenaline rush of driving a speed boat with the throttle on
full. She has a fear of heights, and can be a bit nervous about the
dark and being left alone, yet doesn't allow this to limit her.
Tends to take offense in a Staphysagria sort of way. Regularly has
issues around being told what to do. Has the Natrum detailed memory
of childhood. Is very nurturing - likes children, played with baby
dolls longer than most others. She is the one in the family who will
organise cards and presents and cakes etc. At the time the Nat mur
was prescribed I was aware of feeling that she had become closed to
me in some ways.
Since being on Nat Mur her skin seems to be clearing. There is a
sense of being a bit more relaxed, although she still feels a bit
closed it is less than before. She did resprain her ankle about 5
weeks ago, I stopped the Nat mur while she had remedies to help the
ankle - arnica, ruta, rhus tox, symph in a mix. I followed this with
Ledum 30 at an emotional reaction point that I have learned to
recognise in her which seems to follow arnica. She becomes
oversensitive to others and begins to complain about inconsiderate
things they have done - this settles after one dose of Ledum.
I waited a week after this and started the Nat mur again. The
weather became colder and the complaints of coldness started.

Yes, my thinking was around the idea that a similimum would resolve
the circulation. What I am not sure of is how long to watch and
wait. So meanwhile I am researching just in case she would benefit
from another remedy. Thinking about Nitricum put me in mind of a
Vermuelen lecture that I attended which highlighted its impact on
blood vessels and how social it can be, as well as having the fears
seen in Arg nit.
Oh, ok, I just thought of looking up Raynauds in Synthesis
ail,Ars, bac, brass, cact, cortico, cupr, ferr-p, germ-met, hep,
prot, sec, sep, vanad, verat, (astra-o, calc, carb-v, cyt-l,foll,
halo, hed, kail-c, kreos, lac-c, nux-v, perh, sulfon, thala, thiop,
visc) and cupr specifically for the fingers.
So a few remedies there that make me think of that sudden cramping
reaction, spasm and shutdown, and some others that reflect hormonal
influence.

That's enough thinking for me at the moment - looking forward to
hearing other's reactions.

Gail

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[cbwillis9]

Raynaud's and feeling cold are usually related to low thyroid
and clear up when thyroid is optimized.

Carol

[Gail]

Thanks Carol,

That's interesting because autoimmue thyroid is very strongly in the
family. However I would have to say that this daughter is pretty much
normal thyroid at the moment (I'm pretty aware of symptoms and am
monitoring another daughter who is having borderline thyroid at the
moment without it showing on blood tests). The other thing that
catches my attention with this is a wondering about autoimmune thyroid
being associated with sycosis - because the problem is happening at
the beach, and I understand that Nat Mur is sycotic with both < and
loves her surf club stuff) this physical problem is happening from
being at the beach.
The coldness is not general, it is only in extreme cold temperatures,
training at the beach at dusk and sunrise - particularly sunrise, and
especially recently because we have been having our coldest Perth
mornings on record for June. She wears wetsuit and booties and other
cold weather surf gear.
One thing that I do find unusual about her is the priority she gives
sleeping, a bit like she only has two speeds - full speed and stop.

Gail

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