Vaccination & Homeopathicprophylaxis

[Maria T Bohle]

Can someone give me some information on the homeopathic protocall for use
instead of vaccinations?

I just bought the book by Dr. Isaac Golden on Vaccination &
Homeopathicprophylaxis.

this book indicates that using remedies the way Dr. Golden uses them has
provided better than a 90% effective rate against getting these diseases.

The remedies he uses are in 200C and 10M potencies.

Looks like he gives 3 doses of each.

I am more of a 'low dose' prescriber without a lot of experience using
10M remedies.

Does anyone know of any 'down' side to using high potencies of these
nosodes in the way that he suggests?

(I don't mean to be difficult here, but I don't sling around 10Ms very
often - and before I just start on such a protocall with clients or my
own grandchildren I would like to know what to expect.)

Oh, as an aside, my ambulance squad has 'manditory' hepatitis B
vaccinations. So, I am willing to be the first experimental patient
using this protocall with the hep B nosode.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Maria

[ahimsaom]

Maria,
Here's a low dosage recommendation:
From The World Travellers' Manual of Homoeopathy by Dr. Colin B. Lessell,
page 18:
Hepatitis B
This is not a disease that should concern the average traveller. Unlike
hepatitis A, which is largely communicated via poor food hygiene, hepatitis B is
contracted via sexual contact, poor surgical technique, unsterile injection
methods, unsterile acupuncture, and tattooing. Additionally, there is a
possibility, though unproven, that this disease may be acquired from biting insects,
such as bed-bugs. Orthodox immunization techniques by injection, producing either
active or passive immunity, are available for high-risk groups.
Homoeopathically, Hepatitis B nosode 30 once weekly might be considered.
All the best,
Linda
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[Sheri Nakken]

Certainly DO NOT AGREE THAT THIS IS NECESSARY or SAFE
Just because he says it is true, does not make it so.

YOlu can EASILY get out of Hep B vaccine - OSHA allows an exemption that
all can take, no matter what they tell you
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/hepatitisb.htm
for the links to the form to fill out

Sheri
PS - But I will post what others I talk with say.
You just have to help people to be educated about disease - I'll share more
info.

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[Sheri Nakken]

homeoprophylaxis -- Use of homeopathic medicines to prevent the occurrence
of a disease.

A. There are 2 issues here
1. Prevention using homeopathic remedies for an immediate threat - a
disease that is 'in the vicinity' - ie. pertussis in your niece that
threatens your 2 month old
2. Blanket prevention mimicking what allopaths think they are doing with
vaccination - just giving remedies or nosodes on a schedule thinking that
will prevent anything in the future

B. 2 types of homeopathically prepared substances used in prevention
1. Substances obtained from the natural world of plants, animals, &minerals
2. Nosodes - substances derived from disease products, tissues samples,
mucus, pus from discharges, or pure cultures of microorganisms. Nosodes
correspond to the specific diseases associated with the individual bacteria
or virus, or the infectious material sample taken form a patient.

Randall Neustaedter - "Nosodes are homeopathic preparations (ie serial
dilutions with an energetic force applied to the solution, shaking) of a
viral or bacterial culture or of disease tissue or secretions. Nosodes have
een used during epidemics, for example a nosode for meningococcal
meningitis showed some protective effect for the disease in a study done
in South America, as did a nosode for whooping cough during outbreaks in
England. Nosodes have also been used for long-term prevention of disease,
but no
studies exist to support their use. Nosodes have also been used to reverse
the adverse effects of a vaccination and to treat the sequelae of specific
diseases."
3. For example - to prevent polio, Lathyrus sativa (a plant) has been
used; and to prevent pertussis, Pertussin (a preparation of the bacteria
Bordetella pertussis - a nosode); and to prevent measles, Morbillinum, a
nosode.

C. Types of prevention reviewed.....
1. Prevention using homeopathic remedies for an immediate threat - a
disease that is 'in the vicinity' - ie. pertussis in your niece that
threatens your 2 month old -
Homeoprophylaxis DOES HAVE its place in epidemics and other situations
(rare these days)

2. Blanket prevention mimicking what allopaths think they are doing with
vaccination - just giving remedies or nosodes on a schedule thinking that
will prevent anything in the future. Most homeopaths I know and trust and
study with DO NOT agree with routinely using homeopathic remedies/nosodes
to prevent illness like allopathic
vaccination.

Sheri

[Fran Sheffield]

Hello Sheri and others,
I am currently writing a series of articles for the general public on
this issue. The first looks specifically at Meningococcal prophylaxis,
the second looks at more generally at homeoprophylaxis and deals with
Isaac's research. They can be found at:

http://homeopathyplus.com.au/cases/disease1.html

and

http://homeopathyplus.com.au/cases/disease2.html

I, along with others, have just established a non-profit organisation
- The Do No Harm Initiative - that will be working to disseminate info
on homeoprophylaxis, and apply pressure for further research among
other things homeopathic. If you would like to receive the
newsletter/info that comes from this organisation, please forward me
your email privately.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Fran,
I've finally made the time to read your two articles, and they're
wonderful!
The thing that I find especially interesting is that, according to the
studies cited, homeoprophylaxis came up not only as extremely effective
(>90% protection), but actually *improved* the children's health.

E.g. you write:
Immunisation by HP only, was associated with a lower than average
chance of acquiring asthma or eczema and less risk of developing
allergies.
2. The incidence of asthma (3%) in children who were immunised only by
HP was well below the national average of 19%.
3. The incidence of behavioural problems in children immunised by HP
was extremely low compared to the other methods of immunisation.
4. In relation to asthma, immunising a child with HP alone was 15 times
safer than immunising by vaccines, and 6 times safer than doing nothing
for immunisation.
5. In relation to eczema, immunising only with HP was 7.4 times safer
than immunising with vaccines and 2.8 times safer than doing nothing
about immunisation.
6. In relation to allergies, immunising only with HP was 5 times safer
than by vaccines and 2 times safer than no method of immunisation.

Meaning, apparently, that the HP-treated groups had only a fraction of
the incidence of allergies, eczema, asthma, behavior disorders or
allergies, compared with the *completely unvaccinated* group--and an
even teenier fraction of the incidence in the conventionally vaccinated
group. I was also intrigued to read that this had been achieved with
only single doses of "low to medium" potencies.

Why would this be... Train of thought--doesn't seem likely that one
could achieve that sort of effect just thru a random stream of "wrong
remedies", so I figure there must be a special effect from treating
those susceptibilities which are so (nearly) universal in our
populations. Food for thought--thank you, Fran! I look forward to
hearing more about your project, and further articles!
Shannon
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[Jennifer Ruby]

Several years ago, we had a puppy that we only had for 2 weeks; a beautiful
chocolate lab pup- who immediately came down with Parvo and ended up dying
before we could figure out what was wrong with him. We were devastated.
We waited 3 months, and put Clorox out in the large dog run yard to kill any
pathogens, the got another lab pup. We were understandably cautious about
the vulnerability of puppies who easily contract Parvo at this particular
age; plus putting her in a yard where the previous puppy died of Parvo.

I purchased a Parvo homeopathic remedy, put it in her water, possibly 3
times. There was one day where she didn't seem to want to eat... and we got
really concerned, but as we gave her the remedy, she quickly got over this
stomach problem, and the next day was fine. Never had another problem.
She's now about 3 years old, and very healthy and happy.

Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2

Jennifer Ruby

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[Chris_Gillen]

Hello,

I don't understand this leap in drawing statistical conclusions that
"homoeopathic immunization" by itself leaves children healthier than before.
In one part the link simply says that the children in the study did not fall
sick from any epidemic disease during a one year period following
"homoeopathic immunization" due to any of the specific infectious miasms.
Were there any comparable outbreaks of diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus
etc within the same family groups as these "immunized" children? Were there
any serological exams performed that showed there actually was any immediate
exposure to the said infectious miasms during this period? I understand no
form of immunization claims to be 100% effective in all cases, but has there
ever been any deliberate exposure after "homoeopathic immunization" to test
antibody responses to any of these miasms?
I do understand the role of genus epidemicus remedies for susceptible people
in epidemics and I know all the relevant aphorisms too, I also know how
statistics can be used to illustrate any for-or-against position, but can
someone just explain the actual homoeopathic similarity mechanism at work
where the Vital Force supposedly immunizes itself against a future pathogen
that is not even present in its environment, and without any evidence of
individual susceptibility via symptomatology?

Many thanks,
Chris

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Chris,
And of course that in itself is *not* evidence that the children are
"healthier"--we'd need to see whether they are doing better by other
measures too. What measures would one use? I would look for broader
measures, indicative of how well each patient / person is coping both
immunologically (allergies, other illnesses, infections, other chronic
illnesses of any sort) and inflammatory (e.g. asthma, arthritis) and
perhaps especially, at the mental/emotional level (school performance,
general sense of well-being, happiness, "successfulness", etc.). Those
are the sorts of markers that I felt would be meaningful in assessing
whether decreases in infectious diseases were due to suppression of the
immune response (as we conclude about "regular" vaccinations" or
whether any decrease is due to actual increase in overall health.

So I read this passage with particular interest:
Unless I'm reading this wrong, it is comparing the HP "vaccinated"
group with both the "regularly" vaccinated and the unvaccinated group,
and concluding that the HP group had significantly-to-hugely better
outcomes in the areas of: asthma, eczema, allergies, and "behavior
problems"--NOT merely better than the "regularly" vaccinated group, but
also very significantly better in *all* of these respects than the
children who were entirely unvaccinated. That is why I made the
"statistical leap" that the HP children came thru "healthier".

How would you interpret the passage above?
I think this is the same way that "regular" vaccines are
evaluated--someone correct me if I'm wrong. I assume the idea is that
there's no need for deliberate exposure, as exposure happens to some,
anyway.
That was my thought too, but looking at the result (as per my quoted
part above) I am speculating about why it's occurred. I'm speculating
perhaps the reason that these diseases have been as (relatively)
persistent and troublesome as they have, has to do with common levels
of susceptibility that many in the general population share, so that
the "homeopathic immunization" program is lessening susceptibility, not
"immunizing" per se. Only a thought, and I'm happy to have it shot
down if someone has a more compelling way of seeing it.
We don't know if the evidence is there, since we don't know what the
picture of these "miasms" would be--unless that's part of the work
Sankaran et al. have been doing??
Best,
Shannon

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[Chris_Gillen]

In this post below I mistakenly wrote:
"For instance, asthma occurs more frequently amongst Aboriginal
What I meant to say was:
For instance, asthma occurs more frequently amongst Aboriginal and Torres
Strait Islander populations where indigenous health and LIVING STANDARDS are
well below general community standards. Poverty is rife.
http://www.medicineau.net.au/clinical/a ... t3505.html