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Dear Joy,

Would you pls give the number of related aphorism for your statement: """The stronger disease can/will repel in degrees, sometimes entirely,sometimes partly, according to the strength of both of the dissimilar
diseases - every individual will be different.""""

Nader

Dear Andy,
Following excerpt is from David Little which is very illustrative about chicken/egg discussion.!!!!!
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CAUSATION AND TERRAIN

Throughout medical history there has been a great debate about which comes first in importance, constitutional susceptibility or the pathogens that cause disease? This question was at the root of the disagreement between Claus Barnett and Louis Pastuer. Barnett felt that the host constitution was the prime factor in disease whereas Pastuer place more importance on the role of the pathogen. Toward the end of Pastuer's life he realized that Barnett's view was more correct. The fundamental cause of disease is so closely related to the predispositions of the constitution that it is impossible to ignore its primacy. Great physicians, like Hippocrates, Paracelsus, and Hahnemann were well aware of the importance of the constitution in the art of healing. In the ancient Greek tradition the terms "constitution" and "temperament" are used interchangeably because of the intimate link between the innate disposition and the physical make-up. The relationship forms the basis for the science of physiognomy, the reading of human mind/body complex for clues to the nature of character traits and predispositions toward illness. Following in the footsteps of Father Hippocrates, the great Paracelsus asked healers to return to the roots of things if they wished to cure.

"No knowledge is perfect unless it includes an understanding of the origin, that is the beginning; and as all man's diseases originate in his constitution, it is necessary that his constitution should be known if we wish to know his diseases"

All the great masters taught the importance of the constitution in the pathogenesis of disease. The Hippocratic physis is the natural force that maintains homeostasis provides adaptation energy, and controls defensive reactions. The ancients viewed pathology (study of suffering) as a synergistic triad of the pathogen (stress of the causative factors), ponos (strain of adaptive reaction) and pathos (suffering-the symptoms). The mechanists only look at the removal of a one-sided cause while ignoring the concomitant circumstances. Kill the ''germ' and ignore maintaining causes such as poor nutrition, poor sanitation, and terrible emotional stress and bodily strain. The orthodox school has forgotten the Hippocratic teachings as well as to honor the Hippocratic Oath.
Kind Regrads,

Nader
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yup a long way to go..............

regards

raji.
Robert&Shannon Nelson wrote:
Hi Raji,

Well, you've said you are a second-year student--you'll be covering more
about it! (But personally, I still find "confusion" a frequent companion,
LOL!)

First: "Anti-miasmatic remedy" does *not* necessarily mean "nosode";

on 11/15/04 7:52 AM, raji balasubramanian at raji_bs2004@yahoo.co.in wrote:
?? First question would be, How do you know you have found a "block", unless
you have first given "the indicated remedy"--and been *certain* it was the
"indicated" remedy--and seen it fail? Or, seen it act well for some period
of time and *then* begin to fail?

When you are treating on a broader basis (e.g. treating "the miasm" not
merely the immediate presenting symptoms), you have to also treat on the
basis of a broader range of "indications"--namely, the miasmatic indications
as well as the "presenting picture" indications. Sometimes (often) the
"indicated remedy" is also the "anti-miasmatic"...

"Anti-miasmatic remedy" does not just mean "nosode"! Other anti-miasmatic
remedies include mercury, silica, calc-c, and many, many other familiar
ones. Anti-miasmatic remedies are those that have the power to *cure* the
chronic weakness and raise the entire level of health, not just to
temporarily relieve specific symptoms. But sometimes if you begin with a
remedy that goes "too deep" you can bring on crises if the person's body is
not strong enough or "too clogged" (eliminative organs) to manage the
changes, so "deeper" is not always "better"!
Some examples could be problems caused by: living with toxic mold; chemical
toxins; sedentary lifestyle; poor diet; irregular sleep patterns (e.g.
working swing shift), etc. I think Joy's point was good, that there could
be miasmatic underpinnings to why this situation develops and continues, and
also a stressor that makes one person sick, will not make another (healthier
and/or less suceptible) one sick. Hahnemann gives other examples in the
Organon, but I can't quote you an aphorism.
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As I said before - Stanza 36 onwards. I have added the "degrees" because I
see this happen so much. A disease doesn't just disappear with the flick of
the fingers or in a puff of dust, it takes time as one disease (the
stronger) takes over the weaker and eventually repels it.

Joy

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on 15/11/04 20:48, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:

Dear Joy,

Would you pls give the number of related aphorism for your statement:
"""The stronger disease can/will repel in degrees, sometimes
entirely,sometimes partly, according to the strength of both of the
dissimilar
diseases - every individual will be different.""""

Nader

Dear Colleagues,

Has anyone had such experience which Joy said,I mean "degrees"????

And again an excerpt from David:

The Strong Repels the Weak

The first of the three situations to be considered is the condition where a person is suffering from an old chronic disease such as rheumatoid arthritis. These individuals often say things like "Other than this terrible rheumatism, I'm so healthy I never catch a cold". The never catch a cold because the patients vital force is already so occupied by a strong one-sided affection that repels any new disease of equal strength. Vide aphorism 36.

"1. If the two dissimilar diseases meeting together in the human being be of equal strength, or still more if the older one be the stronger, the new disease will be repelled by the old one from the body and not allowed to affect it".

In the first condition in disease pathogeny is where an older, stronger chronic disease repels a newer, weaker disease. This is the form of negative immunity that homeopaths speak of when they state that the constitution can only suffer from on severe complaint at a time. This type of illness is often a "one-sided case" that manifests only few common symptoms of the local pathology. This situation is often caused by chronic miasms that have dominated the constitution. These cases take a deep understanding of the way in which chronic diseases tend to layer themselves and interacted with each other. Hahnemann explains how this layering process takes place in aphorism 29 through 43 of the Organon.
Kind Regards,

Nader

E.g. in treating an strong acute (a "stronger" disease which will to a great
extent repel the "lesser" chronic) many chronic symptoms may have receeded
(e.g. no longer restless), but others may remain (still really loves salt)?

Shannon
on 11/16/04 12:59 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:

What do you mean?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New strong suspends old weak one and in this instance we see degresssssssssssssss not when the strong old one repels new weak one.

Nader

Nader are you a practising homeopath or just studying the theories.

No-one has really been discussing, as yet, when the older disease is the
strongest it will prevent any attempt of another incoming disease, i.e. it
will repel it, although Hahnemann was not adamant about this, he quoted
others on this and wrote in terms of 'probability' and 'not liable' for
this to happen - he only really refers to when acutes are weaker than the
chronic (organon).

You seem to enjoy moving the goalposts. Shannon was responding to your
question about the degrees of merging dissimilar diseases. And if, in
practice, you have never seen one chronic disease merge with another and
finally take over, by degrees and over time, then I find that
remarkable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm finished with this one.

Joy

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on 16/11/04 20:25, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:

What do you mean?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New strong suspends old weak one and in this instance we see
degresssssssssssssss not when the strong old one repels new weak one.

Nader

Don't we know that?

The old story of mentally ill patients who do not get any physical illness, then when overcome with a serious infectious disease for whatever reason, their mental state becomes clear, to relapse after healing from the physical illness...................

I must admit I did not get the purpose of the whole discussion.....

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Dear Dr. J. R.

I also have seen this in my practice many times but I have not seen that strong old disease repels new weak one in "degrees".

Kind Regards,
Nader