Minutus

thanks for sharing this
So glad you and your wife looked elsewhere! So very glad.
I wish they all would get their just rewards
Sheri
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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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Basically palliation means that it makes you feel better, but doesn't actually heal / cure.

In a way I think you could say there's *some* overlap, in that it can free up the body's own energy for healing work; pain and suffering can come with a huge energy cost to the body. This of course assumes that the palliating agent is not toxic, and doesn't extract a price of its own.

Some examples of palliation would include:

- oatmeal bath for chicken pox, poison oak, etc.
- symptom control via supportive nutrients
- symptom control via "friendly" herbs
- cleaning up after a teen (okay, that could be suppressive too, or just masochistic)
- an occasional weekend off for a workaholic
- a comforting hug to a kid who's been bullied again
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My wife had the flu for weeks, like 28 days. I did not believe that antibiotics could kill viruses, so I just waited until she got better on her own. She was in great pain, on occasion screaming. She did not get better. I thought that she might have a bacterial complication. We were new to the isolated town where we lived, and we so had no other resources other than con med. I took her to the con med; he gave her an antibiotic. She was then able to sleep. Being able to sleep she was able to heal in two days.

What happened? I can't be sure, but this is how I think it: If she had a bacterial complication, the allopathic medicine which was palliative or even suppressive temporarily reduced the load that her vital force had to deal with. Because of this reduced load, she had the vital force to heal herself of the virus. The outward expression of that was her ability to get good sleep, and the rest is history.

I have also played with the thought that the antibiotic was of such dosha or such chi that it kicked her healing energy into action.

Is it part of homeopathy that a palliative remedy can temporarily give the VF time and energy to heal. For example, it is obvious that DMSO is palliative, but sometimes the benefit can be permanent. I believe that this is because it reduces inflammation and gives the body time to heal itself. Sort of like the 300 stopping the Persian Empire at Thermopylae, giving the rest of the Greeks time to fall back and regroup and eventually win.
Roger Bird
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:35:28 +0100
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Allopathy suppresses or palliates. Very rare for any true cure.....................show me an example of allopathic cure.
Sheri

Hi Sheri,

For me what's important, as a homeopath, is to understand the definitions of allopathy and palliation as described by hahnemann. Because the terms have today been changed, mostly through people not understanding or perhaps checking the Organon (Yasgur's, are you listening), so that most people think allopathy and palliation are the same, treatment by opposites.

As a result we frown on modern allopathic medicine as it is largely opposite in nature. But we kind of entertain the idea of "detoxing", (I am referring here to non-homeopath homeopaths). Yet detoxing is often the very example of an allopathic tool. Clean the bowels, clean the blood. Fast away, cause when you are ill, your appetite decreases, right? Take some herbs to sweat out the illness. And make no mistake, allopathic medicine today employs both palliation (eg. aspirin) and allopathy (eg. diuretics).

We have lost touch with the founders thought process and as a result we have lost sight of some of the harm done by even seemingly innocuous treatments. Drainage, detoxing and in third world cultures, bear in mind that these practices, including emesis, are still rife.

Allopathy drains the vital force. Palliation oppresses the vital force and in some cases may even conserve the vital force (although some side effects may weaken the vital force). Remember, left to its own devices (in illmess), the vital force can become so depleted that the patient dies. Neither allopathy nor palliation are curative.

Sorry, it's a bugbear of mine.
Regards,
Paul
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No, I think not, Shannon. All palliation of symptoms is shutting down the body’s healing process. The symptoms are nothing but the signs of healing going on. Homeopathy helps symptoms because it gives the body the message that it needs to get past the symptoms. Look at fever, for instance, or, well, any skin eruption. You don’t ever want to block symptoms; it just slows down or makes worse the disease which the body is addressing.

ginny
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Hi Ginny,
No, in illness the symptoms are often signs of the disease process, NOT healing.
In health the symptoms are signs of health, of restoring balance (homeostasis) eg if you eat something that's a bit off and are healthy, you will vomit it out and even though you may feel unpleasant afterwards for a short while, you recover with no sequaele. If you are diseased in a way that makes you susceptible, the slightest food will evoke nausea and vomiting. No amount of vomiting will heal your susceptibility. All that happens is you get weaker (drained vital force) with time. The vital force cannot heal the disordered state. It was never designed to do this. It remains subservient to the controlling inner state. Only a simillimum can remove the inner disease state to free the vital force. This is the basis of hahnemann's teaching.
Regards,
Paul
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Hi Ginny,

Then what you are saying, is that there is no such thing as palliation; everything that reduces any symptom, is either curative, or suppressive. Because the *definition* of palliation is as I said.

Do you feel the same way about hugs for a skinned knee etc., or is it only physical care that you view this way? Thinking about this…

At 06:17 PM 8/18/2015, you wrote:
I think Ginny knows this - symptoms are doing the job of healing - trying to heal. But get stuck sometimes due to lots of factors.
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Hi Sheri,
But the symptoms are not healing in the sense of 'to cure' . They are the signs of the vital force reacting to a delusional state. The symptoms will not heal, they will kill you if they continue unchecked. They decrease only when the interplay between susceptibility (a result of the inner disease) and trigger (stressor) abates. In the whole process the inner disease state is not treated at all and it remains. As the vital force weakens, the subsequent manifestations happen at deeper layers (hering).

I don't see the symptoms as being attempts to heal. They are consequences of the disordered state.

Regards,
Paul
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I am not absolutely sure there is ever palliation without suppression. I understand that chronic disease sets up, well, occurrences of chronic symptoms which may resemble acutes, but palliating those symptoms as well does nothing to address the resolution of the chronic situation - and still can hold it back, I think.

Also, there is a difference between making something ”feel” better, by addressing the emotions with a hug, or temporarily drawing out heat or itching with a poultice, vs. actually changing the symptom picture with a drug action, such as a steroid cream or a Benadryl. So, the kind of physical care matters. Interesting and important to consider.
ginny

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