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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:56 am
by Shannon Nelson
huzzah, succinctly put.
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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:02 am
by Shannon Nelson
One thing that skews the cost in the US, is that in the US a homeopath's fee is not covered by insurance (except that if they are an MD, part of it might be) -- but in many cases the mainstream coverage is low-cost or even free to the consumer, with the rest being covered by insurance. For many people it's a very big stretch to pay substantial amounts out-of-pocket, when they can get drugs etc. for free.

Some of us made the mental shift long ago, that paying for something that *works*, is way better than getting for free something that (let's be charitable) doesn't do what's needed. But for some people, the cost of those appointments represents a sacrifice, in addition to requiring in some cases a real leap of faith to get there. I do think that education is really our key need!

Shannon

Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:14 am
by Shannon Nelson
Ummmm paying one's bills really is also part of the game.

While there are some number of homeopaths who charge low fees because they *don't* have to live on the income (retired, or have other funding, whatever), if we have to *depend* on that in order to have homeopaths, we will be in a very sorry state indeed.

As someone else remarked -- there just aren't a lot of wealthy homeopaths in the US, or at least not ones that got that way through their homeopathy practice!

Think about the role that insurance companies have played in our "health care" model: they siphon away funds, and they give undeserved support to this pharmaceutical model, thereby putting all of us "alternative" practitioners at a severe disadvantage -- because people think that since drugs are free, the homeopath's services should be also.

But homeopaths are *not* being funded by insurance and pharmaceutical companies; and a homeopath may spend *hours* getting to the point of giving that first remedy (especially newer ones, and especially on a more difficult case) -- versus minutes at a time for the mainstream appointments.

It's really not a fair comparison.
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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:17 am
by Shannon Nelson
I suppose you also would not be content with calling it "a type of homeopathy" and "on a fringe of homeopathy"?

Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:07 am
by Sheri Nakken
What is so difficult about knowing the laws and principles of homeopathy and determining if something does cover the laws and principles or used according to those laws and principles. That is homeopathy. Not just using a diluted, succussed remedy. That does not make it homeopathy.

I don't know why that is hard to understand.
Sheri

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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:08 am
by Sheri Nakken
Knitting uses yarn therefore we should be OK calling knitting crocheting, as it uses yarn.
Sheri

At 02:17 AM 8/21/2015, you wrote:
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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:31 am
by Irene de Villiers
I can see you thinking that :-)
But as a knitter, (and as a homeopath) I like to see facts, and I differentiate between lace knitting and knitted lace, and I also differentiate between a cell salt used as a supplement per Schuessler, and a cell salt used as a matched homeopathic remedy per Hahnemann.
WHY make a big issue about it?
That I do not get.
Namaste,
Irene
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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:45 am
by Sheri Nakken
of course cell salt as a matched homeopathic remedy is homeopathy
Cell salts as a supplement as per Schuessler is not homeopathy
It seems that many here don't see the difference.
Many here don't post so important to make the distinction and constantly share the laws and principles that make something homeopathy
Sheri

At 07:31 AM 8/21/2015, you wrote:
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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:33 am
by pb000014
Sheri, I think you're tying yourself in knots here.....
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Re: cell salts bottle

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:14 am
by Roger B
Irene, I accept your chastisement.

Now address my points about success rates. Something that would greatly improve the standing of homeopathy would be improved success rates. I used www.abchomeopathy many times. What a mess!!!! It is disorganized to say the least, and the same thing is said differently many times. I am betting that the other materia medicas are also like that. And from one materia medica to another is going to be even more disorganized. I believe that no effort should be spared to update all of the homeopathy references. I and many, many other older people cannot assimilate or utilize or recycle magnesium, and I sit here typing covered with white magnesium chloride powder because of it. I bet a dollar that there is nothing in the homeopathy references about that symptom or high cholesterol or even high blood pressure and many other "modern" symptoms.

Akin to that is that I have mentioned Joepathy about 4 times here, several times as a question, and there have been exactly zero responses. There is something about aging that arnica is good for. Why do I get no response whatsoever about Joepathy. Is it because it will cut into the profits of homeopaths, who, as you say, are human, just like everyone else.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:02:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
If the price is so low it bankrupts the homeopath, that also harms the profession:-)

It is indeed difficult to get to a point where homeopathy is better known by the generalpublic in USA and I uderstand your intention that it needs to be cheap and effective to achieve that.

But there is more to it. Homeopathy happens to be able to address what allopathy cannot address - the chronic diseases. However, by their very nature chronic disease have baan around a lon time and take a lot of work to fix. There is no allopathic experiece to compare to, as allopathy has no way to cure chronic disease, and in fact they insist it is illegal to even claim a cure.

So for such intense work requiring many many hours on the part of the homeopath, it is not realistic to charge a pittance fee. The fee needs to at least cover the homeopath's overheads for the hours worked on such a case, MANY long hours that the client does NOT have a way to understand up front. The homeopath working in this area is then between a rock and hard place. They are not even allowed to claim ability in this area, and there is NO general knowledge by the population that chronic diseae can be remedied. This is the side of the coin that you are not seeing (for understandable reasons).
Add in the vicious legal fight of the AMA and AVMA to squash homeopathy, and it is not so easy as just charging a pittance for lots of work.
I do not know what homepaths in USA charge, the only oner I know lives in a 576 sq foot house and drives a 7 yr old car with a $10,000 when new, price tag, and does not own a lear jet or even a spaceship :-)

The issue of getting homeopathy better understood and accepted - as yo want to promote - is more complicated than just charging less. Homeopaths are not worth less than allopaths. Allopaths charge MUCH more than homeopaths in USA. The consumer needs to know and understand that their out of pocket costs are irrelevant in the equation.
What's relevant to compare is the income of the allopath - that is what yo ACTUALLY pay them, whether ou realize it or not - that they get most of it from "insurance" (that you DO pay for whether you realize it or not) is something the consumers conveniently forget about, as it is not from dollars in his hip pocket, but it is the real issue when it comes to who earns how much - or at least who GETS how much. And for what.

My own approach to promoting homeopathy is off the main stream. I have a Cat health discussion group (CATWELL at yahoogroups) ...and some other health groups involving specific diseases that are not understood by the medical profession - - where I promote homeopathy, nutrition, etc, via free advice on those issues which can be handled by email in a discussion format. (mainly first aid ad prophylaxis as opposed to chronic disease.) Catwell has grown to more than a thousand members all of whom now know at least some of what homeopathy can do. (Except maybe a few new members stilil to find that out.) This is an investment of many many hours every week. Because it handles acutes and not the extreme time consuming chronic cases, it is doable that way, and gets more homepahty understanding to more people than I coudl do by some slow chronic case consults, tha are too individual to be applicable in any general way.
I think that you are using one or a few unfortunate bad experiences with chronic disease, to tar all hopmeopaths with the same brush here.
That is not valid.
And then, so many allopaths charge $8000 at least for a chronic disease and end up making it worse.
And nobody files a complaint when that occurs. They just pay. (whether through insurance or otherwise) .
$500 is very little for a chronic disease treatment.

I am sorry it seems not to have been helpful in the case you list.
Do you know the costs of homeopathy and associated training .... and costs of good homeopathy software like Radar by the way? Or do you feel homeopaths should not use good expensive training and pricey computer software to help to handle 5000 plus remedy options with more than 10,000 features each? That is something no allopath needs to do in their profession...and is partly why homeopathy when properly done, is so much more intensive to learn and recover costs of doing, than mere allopathy - I have studied both so I am not blowing hot air here.
It may be "good for American homeoapthy" to have practically no fees for homeopathy in chronic disease - but it is the real world that homeopaths are living in, not the dream world. Miracles are a little harder to achieve than we would like.
OR
Every pancake has two sides, no matter how flat you make it. Please see both.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."