Minutus

All of these things are tools in a tool box for a healer to use appropriately, when they are trained on how to use them.
What is clear is that the use of Schuessler's cell salts is NOT homeopathy - but that should not stop a homeopath who is trained in them or other techniques to use them appropriately to remove obstacles to cure or to strengthen an organ or generally maintain health.

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 20 August 2015 11:07
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
shall we have a vote?
Seriously?

You mean like when people voted that airplanes would not fly or the earth is flat or some people would make good presidents?
No thanks.

There is plenty of science behind Schuessler's work on cell salts.

And plenty of case experience as well.

Inquiring minds will read it and use it.

Others will scoff, it is their loss, as with the other decisions made by vote.
Namaste,

Irene
Sheri

At 03:49 PM 8/19/2015, you wrote:
Again I find myself agreeing with Irene.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:36:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
Cell salts are taken as supplements basically.
They are usable as homeoprophylaxis - to prevent illness, and they work fanbtastically well for that purpose.
So do other homeopathic remedies work for that purpose.
You seem to have forgotten abot prophylaxis as usual

For cell salts, the prophylaxis method handed down through generatios of homepaths is this:
Have ONE of the cell salts on the dining room table at all times, a different one every week, rotating all twelve devised, studied and documentd by Schuessler, in 6X. (no others)

Every night each member of family takes ONE cell salt tablet form th ose on the dinner table.
The result is clear in the families that do this - the family stays healthy and disease resistant.
There are ALSO documented uses of the cel salts, to cure problems, based on homepathicity to the issues.

You only know something is homeopathic to a person, really, after you have seen a cure (true cure, not suppression)
That is not true.
You also know it is homeopathic if it has proved to keep the person well prophylactically.
Cell salts are well sudied to do both.
......though perhaps not by your good self

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info

(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I think that is not a fair generalization.
What matters is value for money, and also the cost of living in the place in question. If the homeoapth charges so little that they will be homeless on the street, they are not helping anyone.
I do not know any wealthy homeopaths in USA.
What data are you basing the statement on?

And how do you measure the value of a fee?
Does it not matter what result there is or what the homeopath knows amd applies?

Some have a few weekends of training. Others have medical school, full course i homeopaty and maybe many other studies of relevance.

Some "figure" a remedy.
Others figure out what is going on with the case, including pathology, metabolism, nutritional deficinecies, virology, parasitology or oter maintaining casues etc as may be relevant.... and address it fully.
Should they change the same fee as those who "figure" a remedy?

There is no one fee fits all, and I can not see USA homeopaths "charging a lot".
If we did, we would be able to fight in court to get homeopathy into its proper placein USA. But we do NOT charge enough to do that.

I think it is backwards., We should charge enough to support our own profession in the legal sense.
But in USA we do NOT.
And the cost of living is reevant and is high.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hello Soroush,

Most medical doctors in my area charge around $250.00 for a visit - public copy's are from $10 to $40.00 and you get 5 minutes with the doctor for that. One MD homeopath in an integrated practice told me she was allowed 15 minutes with a patient.

All of us have a finite amount of time in life. We need to keep a roof over our heads and pay living expenses.

I donate a percentage of my time for people who cannot afford my fees.

People look at their co pays and then our fees and decide we are expensive. That is unfair, especially since we homeopaths in effect put ourselves out of business with successful patients.

Maria

On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:52 AM,
finrod@finrod.co.uk [minutus] > wrote:
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Sorry about her experience. She should try another practitioner. We are not magicians, just real people doing our best to perceive the suffering as the patient relates it to us.

We cannot give guarantees.
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In the preface to the 6th edition, Hahnemann wrote that:

“Homeopathy is aware that a cure can only succeed through the counter-action of the life force against the correctly chosen medicine.

The stronger the life force that still prevails in the patient, the more certain and faster the cure that takes place.”

Soroush

that's all I have been saying too Soroush - the use of Schuessler's cell salts is NOT homeopathy.
Sheri

At 11:22 AM 8/20/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

homeopaths in the US charge more than homepaths in the UK and cost of living is high in the UK
UK homeopaths should charge more.

I lived in both US and UK
Sheri

At 11:23 AM 8/20/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Who in the USA pays an MD allopath their asking price but only a co-pay?
Insurance through private plans, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, or from work pays the exorbitant fees at a reduced agreed upon rate that the MD accepts based on their enrollment with various insurance companies and/or Medicare/Medicaid (USA gov)
Some of the MDs I see charge $500, I co-pay $25-$40. Maybe they get paid up to $250.
Even an MD homeopath is covered as they are a licensed MD and can medically bill code for a visit based on the allopathic condition or a patient can submit an itemized bill to their insurance company to be covered as an out-of-network visit.
Many MDs only accept certain insurances, many won't take Medicaid patients or Obamacare due to the low reimbursement rates.
Anytime you make a new appointment with an MD, the office asks what insurance you have. If they don't accept that insurance, they won't make an appointment with you.
Each visit you show your insurance ID card and it is checked by computer or phone call that the insurance is currently active.
Rarely will an MD see you without ensuring they are going to get paid, not by you, but from insurance, for the visit.
Susan

Soroush,

Unfortunately, as compliant and sweet as my sister-in-law seems, she is going to do exactly what she thinks/feels is right. And since she is personally not gung-ho on homeopathy like I am, not yet having had any personal experience of it's marvellous healing powers, there is just so much financial hurt that she can tolerate, and $500 is past that level of financial hurt.

I did just tell her about Bioplasma. That may bring her back into the fold.

But this problem of very high fees with American homeopaths is them shooting themselves and their profession in the foot.

I recall my first homeopathic experience. I was basically dirt poor, so I don't know how I afforded the old school 96 year old (who looked 66 years old) homeopath who had a conventional medical office. He was the real deal (1970 time frame) before the new wave of American homeopaths like so many that are here. I can only guess that his fees were not so high or he cut me some slack. Later, a hippy friend with sandals tried to turn me on to flower remedies and was successful because he charged me nothing, so I was able to try it, and I was amazed. I think that most people who believe in any energetic medicine including homeopathy do so ONLY because they tried it and it worked for them. If the entry fee is $1000 like Dr. Roger Morrison, this is going to discourage a lot of people from even trying it.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:52:38 +0100
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
Dear Roger

In treating acute cases, in most cases, the prominence of each presenting symptom (physical, mental and emotional) are important. Simple observations can lead one to the correct remedy. Like a mental symptom in the case of a woman in hospital and expected to die after an acute problem can lead one to the Similimum. In that case, the woman was heard saying: "O God, I am dying, but please look after my children." (Ars Alb). She went home after two days! (Well done to Iranian colleagues.)
Treating chronic cases depends on many factors and can be a real detective work.

It primarily depends on how well the homeopath and the patient connect, the training and observational powers of the homeopath and whether the patient tells ALL the points that are relevant to the case.

Without the full flow of information, one would get partial information and miss the absolutely significant symptom (centre of the case) which is the key to finding the correct remedy.

Without the correct remedy, the chances of a cure are obviously limited.
So both the patient and the homeopath need to be 'patient' and persevere in the some cases. It requires the patient to go back to the homeopath and to advise what has happened so that if necessary the homeopath can modify the prescription.
And sometimes one's gut feelings help. After taking the case of a lady, I had a feeling that not all was told to me.

So I said to her, on your way here, what did you decide not to tell me? She looked shocked and then told me the centre of her case.
And you get some weird and wonderful cases - one was a lady who came to see me and her presenting symptom was that on every Sunday evening at about 8 pm her right knee would start to hurt.
I spent a long time trying to find the cause of this pain, any history etc and my multiple questions of "what else?" was left without an answer. I felt I really had nothing to prescribe on was about to apologise and say sorry I cannot help you when I remembered a great advice from one of my teachers. He had taught that if you feel your case in not complete, reflect from your note what the patient has told you. Well within a minute she stopped me and told me various mental and emotional symptoms which were the key to her case.
She rang me a month later to complain that her night sleep had become disturbed. I asked "How many nights?" Last night and the night before.

I then asked how is your knee - there was a long silence (as if she was trying to work out what I was on about) and then said "Oh it is fine."

(Night sleep problem was also resolved!)
I know in US homeopaths charge a high fee - but that does not apply internationally. And I would strongly recommend the return to the homeopath for further consultation.
Best wishes

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 August 2015 19:31
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
"I doubt you know very many homeopaths or those of us here deeply enough to know what we think."

Probably.

But my very distant perspective does allow me to see that homeopathy is stuck in the past and is turning off patients who don't get healings after spending lots of money. You don't see those people because they don't come back to see you. I am related to one, and I am still hurting because of her disappointment with her experience, and she hasn't said a word to me about it. She is that kind of sweet person.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:02:30 +0100
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
Not sure why we think we don't use computers? There are many programs and most of us use them (or use the rep, mm and charts easily)

But it is more than putting symptoms in a computer for chronic conditions. You have to use your brain to figure out what are the key symptoms, not just put them all in a computer.

I doubt you know very many homeopaths or those of us here deeply enough to know what we think.
Sheri

"What matters is value for money, and also the cost of living in the place in question."

I disagree, sort of. If the price discourages non-believers from trying homeopathy, then that harms the profession. In a country like the USA where materialists and materialism rules, any homeopath whose fees discourage patients and discourages them from returning harms the profession as a whole. My sister-in-law had enough faith in me to try it, but when the total fees hit the $500 mark, she joined the ranks of the active disbelievers. That is not good for American homeopathy (or for her and me).

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 03:23:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
I think that is not a fair generalization.
What matters is value for money, and also the cost of living in the place in question. If the homeoapth charges so little that they will be homeless on the street, they are not helping anyone.
I do not know any wealthy homeopaths in USA.
What data are you basing the statement on?

And how do you measure the value of a fee?
Does it not matter what result there is or what the homeopath knows amd applies?

Some have a few weekends of training. Others have medical school, full course i homeopaty and maybe many other studies of relevance.

Some "figure" a remedy.
Others figure out what is going on with the case, including pathology, metabolism, nutritional deficinecies, virology, parasitology or oter maintaining casues etc as may be relevant.... and address it fully.
Should they change the same fee as those who "figure" a remedy?

There is no one fee fits all, and I can not see USA homeopaths "charging a lot".
If we did, we would be able to fight in court to get homeopathy into its proper placein USA. But we do NOT charge enough to do that.

I think it is backwards., We should charge enough to support our own profession in the legal sense.
But in USA we do NOT.
And the cost of living is reevant and is high.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."