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Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:43 am
by Joy Lucas
What I was actually trying to hint at is that in extreme cases such as
that experienced by people who are described as having asperger's the
level of 'brilliance' IS something to prescribe on, it Is an almost
disharmonious level because it is in extreme without enough balance.
Trouble is we don't always see this during consultations. I also think
that it is the curious sx in cases such as these that are more useful
than the obvious illustration of a profound condition - more so than in
other cases. Best wishes, Joy
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Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:53 pm
by cbwillis9
Joy Lucas wrote:
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Why would the extreme brilliance be a rubric? Where would be the
pathology in that except that there may be accompanying imbalanced
development (where we would look at integration remedies such
as Anacardium)? Often we don't know we're missing anything or are
split, or have qualities split off or undeveloped, until after we
integrate them. So the person might not "feel like they were
two persons", but would feel a lot better once they were better
integrated. :-) Anac. can be one remedy for this.

Carol

Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:11 am
by Joy Lucas
Not a rubric necessarily but a sx that can be expanded on. The extreme
brilliance is an indication of compensation, an indication of some
possible disharmony in other areas - it might be within the sphere of
numbers, sound, light, colours,letters, words, actions, sensations,
anything and leads us towards something that is curious or strange,
rare and peculiar.

Not sure what you mean by integration rx - do you mean those that have
the sx of feeling separated? Joy
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Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:47 am
by cbwillis9
Joy,
I can see what you're saying that the extreme brilliance
can be a compensation for disharmony or lack of development
in other areas, like the person "hides out" in the mind rather
than deal with the other areas they don't know how to
deal with or are not even consciously aware of.

Consciously feeling separated, split, "like two people", etc.
would be only one manifestation of the need for integration rx.
Many times a person is not aware they feel separated, have
split off places, areas they've pushed away, undeveloped areas,
overwhelming areas, etc but it's very obvious to others. I've
sometimes felt that everyone should take Anac. at least once in
their life just to see what shows up soon after taking it - could
surprise them. :-) Especially if they're feeling stuck or
frustrated for a long time, they could be pushing away the very
missing piece they're looking for and that would bring them into
greater integration and fulfillment.

Carol
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Article archive in Files, blog, links, not a discussion group.
Joy Lucas wrote:
extreme brilliance is an indication of compensation, an
indication of some possible disharmony in other areas - it might be
within the sphere of numbers, sound, light, colours,letters, words,
actions, sensations, anything and leads us towards something that is
curious or strange, rare and peculiar.
cases such
asperger's
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Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:02 am
by AH
So the person might not "feel like they were

((( Lycopodium, in the rubric Autism, is another rx for *dis-integration* of
perceptual functions. It comes up in cases of autism or other disorders of
disconnection from external reality and others-- or inability to digest what
life in 3D reality presents.

MIND; AUTISM,(4) : agra., kali-br.,
tub.

(Synthesis or RU may have more rx--rubrics here are from Complete Millenium)
Lyc is complementary to Anacardium, as listed by Rehman. The issue of
imbalance or disconnection leading to anomalous personal traits (eg. savant
or recall of past-life abilities, or channelling abilities like ability to
play Beethoven piano concertos by heart without studying music; or more
commonly overemphasis on some particular area of cognition or recall) is an
interesting area. I know someone who is likely a high-functioning
aspergers; and also a mathematical genius, but verbally and perceptually
handicapped.

Lycopodium is not necessarily a remedy which can head this way (toward
Savant or other anomalous abilities). That kind of tendency is seen in
people who have not socialized in the same manner as most, and do not
measure the same as most do in cognitive areas which allow autonomous
functioning in the world of humans. Some sort of additional unconscious
abilities come from being separated from communication with others; and from
ones own integrative functioning. It is generally true that finding the
corrective remedy is finding the pathological cluster -- and not what it may
engender in *compensation*. Compensation can be an indicator, if it can be
identified as such, and its opposite used as a symptom, if that can be
confirmed otherwise.

Lycopodium clavatum has a perceptual processing difficulty which I will
write about a little here.

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In Lycopodium, the communication between left and right hemispheres is more
or less impaired. Pathologies are more prevalent on the right side
(controlled by left hemisphere); or oscillate between sides of the more or
less disconnected hemispheres.

Boericke Pocket MM:
"...Symptoms characteristically run from right to left, acts especially on
RIGHT side of body..."

==========================

Left hemisphere (rational intellect) tends to be favored.

Boericke Pocket MM:
"...Best adapted to persons intellectually keen, but of weak, muscular
power..."

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Lycopodiums tend to not be aware of their intuition, and tend toward the
pole of materialists/literalists. The subtleties of existence may be
missed. The ideas of others that "what you see is what you get" are imbibed
and taken at face value. Stereotypes of what fulfills life, and of
status-quo operation in the world--are lived out. As in Aspergers, Lyc
people "take things literally". The particular type of functional or
lesional pathology of Aspergers can create a mathematical, literalist
interpretation of life at the expense of subtlety and ability to weigh
intuition against rational data input.

In Lyc, the result is an intellect cut off from ability to "weigh itself" by
looking at auditory input from either ear, by gauging the balance between
thought (rational) and feeling (intuition). Aspergers could be a situation
in which the mathematical intellect (A+B=C or literalism) is the focus--even
to savant level in high functioning cases-- while the section for verbal and
judgement is impaired. Data processing/perceptual pathologies in Lycopodium
besides Autism and Aspergers can be Dyslexia:

Lyc
Mistakes, makes: calculating, in.
Mistakes, makes: reading. {1> 17> 0}
Mistakes, makes: spelling, in. {0> 5> 25}
Mistakes, makes: talking. {0> 2> 118} [54] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BOLD TYPE
Mistakes, makes: talking: writing, when. {0> 4> 0} [137]
Mistakes, makes: talking: misplacing words. {1> 10> 39}
MISTAKES, MAKES: TALKING: WRONG: SYLLABLES. {0> 1> 6}
Mistakes, makes: talking: wrong: words, using. {0> 3> 73} [54]
MISTAKES, MAKES: TALKING: WRONG: WORDS, USING: INDIGESTION, WITH. {0> 1> 0}
[54]
Mistakes, makes: talking: wrong: words, using: typhoid, in. {0> 2> 0} [54]
Mistakes, makes: talking: wrong: words, using: names, calls things by wrong.
{2> 10> 0} [1058]
Mistakes, makes: talking: wrong: words, using: names, calls things by wrong:
says plums when he means pears. {0> 4> 0}
Mistakes, makes: writing, in. {0> 3> 103} [36]
MISTAKES, MAKES: WRITING, IN: ADDS LETTERS. {0> 1> 0} [36]
Mistakes, makes: writing, in: confounding letters. {0> 3> 0}
Mistakes, makes: writing, in: omitting: letters. {0> 6> 14}
Mistakes, makes: writing, in: omitting: syllables. {0> 3> 7} [54]
Mistakes, makes: writing, in: omitting: words. {0> 6> 15}
Mistakes, makes: writing, in: transposing: letters. {0> 2> 10}
Mistakes, makes: writing, in: wrong: words, using. {0> 3> 20} [36]

There can also be a difficulty with mathematical processing:

MIND; MATHEMATICS, calculating; aversion (6) : calc., lyc., nat-m., sil.,
staph., sulph.

MIND; MATHEMATICS, calculating; inept for (24) : ail., alum., ambr., arb-m.,
aur., bell., calc., carb-v., caust., con., crot-h., falco-p., graph.,
kali-c., lyc., merc., mosch., nat-c., nat-m., ph-ac., psor., rhus-t.,
staph., syph.

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Here is what british homeopath ALI GLASSCOT says about Lyc in treatment of
Autism (thanks to a member of this list for this information)
Lyco- learning difficulties until the child goes to school. Dyslexia (also
Zinc) says plums when means pears. Unable to read what they write. Add or
omit letters in words. Bad at spelling tests, fear of exams, gets
bored.
======================
As we know as a truism, Lycopodium is a unified symptomologic analog
(artificial disease) which is far larger in scope than Aspergers (the
disease entity) which has its own more specific miasmatic pattern.
Lycopodium is not specific to a semiologic cluster which represents only
what is Aspergers, though it may overlap with the aspergers cluster--and
that is the situation in which Lyc is corrective or assists.

Lyc is for a particular type of inherited miasmatic configuration and the
traumatic psychosomatic wounding that has accompanied that pattern of
susceptibility. The susceptibility has been created by miasmatic infection
(typically inherited, but which could also come from imperfectly resolved
infectious disease during the life, e.g. Malaria). The miasmatic (blockage
of foreign vital program "cells" which are remnants of past infectious
diseases in lineage create the blockage which begets the interpretation of
life amounting to powerlessness and cowardice typical of Lyc. The
compensation is an attempt to gain power by being a manager or "benevolent
dictator" of others. Or being deceitful or defiant.

Lyc can be an OPPORTUNIST, grabbing "power" where they think they can, and
then hiding away, (since they feel unequipped for, and lack the confidence
for confrontation). They take advantage where they can be unaccountable, or
dominate others in a situation where they are the boss by definition or by
appointment (in job managing others, or as parent). On the other hand, they
kow-tow to anyone or any force or organization they consider "superior" in
power or valence.

Lyc
POWER, LOVE OF

"Nice outside, tyrant at home" [abusive, intolerant of contradiction,
etc.]. (Vermeulen)

Lyc tends to admire others thought to be superior:
FLATTERER

and cannot confront such people:
COWARDICE
CONFIDENCE, want of

==============================

While (if I am not mistaken)- verbal acumen is thought to be a primarily a
left hemisphere function, it cannot be exclusively so. The brain only has
preferences, and nothing is exclusive. Experiments have purportedly shown
that large portions of cerebrum can be missing and intellect survives
(anyone finding such studies I would be interested). Lyc left-hemisphere
dominance and (in some subset of cases) the tendency toward verbal
processing difficulty implies that the right hemisphere must also be
important in verbal acuity and the technical aspects of speaking and writing
using learned codes (i.e. language).

The right hemisphere may be quite operative in a Lyc person. But the
pattern of pathology includes the left hemisphere and right (outgoing) side
of the body-- being cut off in various ways from its counterpart. What goes
in each of the ears cannot be processed by both hemispheres, and whole
sectors of input data are missed--much as in the famous brain experiment of
the cut corpus callosum discussed in most psychology survey textbooks.

This may be what leads to the presumptuousness of the typical Lycopodium:
they think they see the problem or situation in all its subtleties and
colors, but they are missing a portion of the data. They have not been able
to digest all the data. Their cut-off intellect (left hemisphere) asserts a
strongly felt but one-sided conclusion ANYWAY:

MIND; PRESUMPTUOUS (5) : arn., calc.,
plat., staph.

The Lyc cannot understand how anyone could question their judgement (which
weakness they want to cover up once they realize their mistake, if they ever
do-- due to their lack of self-confidence covered over by hubris which is
an ego defense or compensation).

MIND; CONFIDENCE; want of self (120) : adam., agki-p., agn., alum., am-br.,
am-c., am-m., Ambr., aml-n., Anac., anan., ang., anh., aq-mar., arb-m.,
arg-n., arist-cl., ars., aur., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., bar-acet., bar-c.,
bar-s., bell., bry., buth-aust., calc., calc-sil., cand-a., canth.,
carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust., cham., chin., chlor., choc., cob., cocc.,
conv., corv-c., dros., dys-co., falco-p., foll., gall-ac., gels., germ.,
graph., haliae-lc., hura, hydrog., hyos., ign., iod., kali-c., kali-n.,
kali-s., kali-sil., kola., lac-c., lac-del., lac-eq., lac-h., lach.,
lap-c-b., lap-gr-m.,
manc., med., merc., mosch., mur-ac., musa, naja, nat-c., nat-m., nat-s.,
nat-sil., nit-ac., nitro-o., nux-v., olnd., op., ozone, pall., petr.,
ph-ac., phos., pic-ac., plb., prot., pseuts-m., puls., ran-b., rhod.,
rhus-t., ruta, sac-alb., sant., Sil., spong., staph., stram., sul-ac.,
sul-i., sulph., sumb., syph., tab., tax-br., thea., ther., verat., verb.,
viol-t., zinc.

Roger Morrison's Desktop Keynotes:
The word which Vithoulkas uses to describe the essence of Lycopodium is
"cowardice". The patient often has marked feelings of inferiority which he
constantly tries to overcome. This liability is faced in two different ways.
I) Inferiority. One type of Lycopodium feels this lack in himself and
becomes very shy, introverted, soft and often becomes rather a loner. This
type has many fears and even phobic states such as agoraphobia or develops
anxiety about health, fear to be alone at night, fears about death and
survival. Often, however, the main fear is of people.
II) Egotism. The other type of Lycopodium takes a sort of
counter-phobic response to this inner lack of confidence. Thus the patient
becomes bombastic, egotistical, bragging, acting extroverted and assertive.
Lycopodium is the main remedy under the rubric, "love of power".

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Lyc bioenergetic blockages involve--(like Anac)--a separateness within
oneself. Anac tends to be more of a separation involving frank expression
of another vital program or consciousness, or will (eg. delusion double or
delusion possessed, contradiction of will etc). But the complementarity of
the two patterns is not surprising.

Lyc perceptual indigestion is likely in one aspect, to be due to a deficit
of communication within the energetic-- and then the nervous - system. This
may be due to the centering of the particular miasmatic susceptibility to
the area of "digestion". The Lyc "wound" appears to be one of the 3rd
"Chakra" or "power chakra", which is also the area of the nerve plexus known
as the "abdominal brain". This corresponds to the area of the umbilicus,
epigastrium, and hypogastrium. Just below the umbilicus is what is called
in Chinese medicine the (phonetically) "D'an T'ien". This is the the power
center of the body --probably the nerve center of the automatic vital force
(life etheric double) *itself*. It has a mind of its own, and knows how to
distribute energy and harmonize the disparate areas of function in the human
automatic vital program, made up of some 14 different organ and spinal axis
energy flows, and the several "strange" flows.

Perhaps the digestion of *everything* is affected in Lycopodium--food, all
externally input data. Perception is in part a "digestive" process when
viewed metaphorically and in terms of vital program, instead of only in
terms of anatomy. Here is a link which discusses a connection between
autism and the GI tract:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/8/autis ... _tract.htm
So, that is a small study of one aspect of Lyc as it may relate to
disconnection from oneself (cf. Anac); perceptual indigestion; and
literalist filter on reality-- all of which may connect it with Aspergers
syndrome and other Autistic disorders.
Best,
Andy

Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:31 pm
by muthu kumar
Sure but not all would react to Anac if it is not indicated- in fact if
any medicine is indicated it brings up an awareness of self as part of
the curative action and puts the patient more in touch with the other
parts of their self-
similarly I have seen patients lose their brilliance and aptitude for
music or arts for example when given the indicated medicine- looks like
one type of creativity might be a pathology in some and the indicated
remedy might cure them of it and then they might pick up something else
in its stead- so I can understand when Joy says extreme brilliance is
kind of lop-sided- I have always genius itself is pathological from a
normality perspective....

I've

Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:19 pm
by Joy Lucas
And this also brings up the question of being judgemental vis 'what
needs to be cured'. We cannot assume a separated sense of being and we
have to be even more careful about deciding what does need to be cured.
Society so wants everyone to be 'normal' - sadly. Best, Joy
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Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:37 pm
by Shannon Nelson
But *happily*, if we are mistaken about "what needs to be cured", and
for instance try to "cure" someone of something that is not part of
their "dis-ease", but simply a choice, or part of their nature--it
won't work! We don't have to worry about performing mistaken surgery
with remedies, whew!
:-)

Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:12 am
by muthu kumar
It is true and that is one of the reason why a medical approach is a
kind of an anchor around which other things might be construed and
too much psychologizing throws us off the track... because it is very
difficult to find which is part of personality and which is an
addendum if there is too much emphasis on core psychological
symptoms. It might work for practitioners with lots of experience but
otherwise is apt to confuse...

As long as you do not repeat enough to create a proving just a wrong
prescription is not going to radically affect the patient- at least I
have never seen anything that could cause any extended trouble or
inconvenience.

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Re: urgent aspergers

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:13 am
by Joy Lucas
However.... there is always the story told by a well known british
homeopath - a group of students were taking the case of a man who was a
hardened drug dealer. So shocked were the students by his 'occupation'
that they imagined involved deception, errors of personal identity, and
some kind of division (that he had lost himself to this awful criminal
life) that they decided on Thuja as the simillimum and gave it
extremely high, 10m. When the person arrived for a follow up he was
asked about his 'occupation' and the students were thrilled when he
announced he had "given all that up" but he added "seamus here,
(pointing to his shoulder) is now making a fortune for me on my
behalf".

It is very easy to suppress, even with one dose if the judgment call is
made. This really is a true story by the way. Best wishes, Joy
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