Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
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Rosemary C Hyde, Ph.D.
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
Hi Chris,
It gets so complicated doesn't it? It pays to remember that homeopathy isn't carried out in a vacuum. When I talk about happiness though, I'm not talking about cheerfulness during morbid illness - there's a rubric for that, it's clearly pathological. I'm also not talking about the "happy, happy, happy" that you describe. It's a quieter, deeper thing, and when I see it in a patient, I know I'm headed in the right direction. It often takes a different shape in different people - for some it seems to be calmer, for others more effervescent.
In the cases where the remedy made the child more obnoxious, I did feel - as you wrote in your last paragraph - that in a way the children were shaking off their parents' agenda. (Only problem is, it's the parents who are paying for the treatment! And in these cases they feel decidedly short-changed!) It's the dilemma between destructive behaviour that forces a negative reality to change or adaptability which can perpetuate a negative situation. Unless the concept of adaptability really needs a new definition as well. I see so many kids being given ritalin these days so that they can adapt to the classroom, adapt to their families, all of which makes me wonder about the value of adaptability.
Vera
Chris Gillen wrote:
It gets so complicated doesn't it? It pays to remember that homeopathy isn't carried out in a vacuum. When I talk about happiness though, I'm not talking about cheerfulness during morbid illness - there's a rubric for that, it's clearly pathological. I'm also not talking about the "happy, happy, happy" that you describe. It's a quieter, deeper thing, and when I see it in a patient, I know I'm headed in the right direction. It often takes a different shape in different people - for some it seems to be calmer, for others more effervescent.
In the cases where the remedy made the child more obnoxious, I did feel - as you wrote in your last paragraph - that in a way the children were shaking off their parents' agenda. (Only problem is, it's the parents who are paying for the treatment! And in these cases they feel decidedly short-changed!) It's the dilemma between destructive behaviour that forces a negative reality to change or adaptability which can perpetuate a negative situation. Unless the concept of adaptability really needs a new definition as well. I see so many kids being given ritalin these days so that they can adapt to the classroom, adapt to their families, all of which makes me wonder about the value of adaptability.
Vera
Chris Gillen wrote:
Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
Hi Robyn,
Thanks for your input. It's clear that you can't prescribe just on the disruptive factor, as it can be coming from so many different directions - the different remedies in the rubric you posted really demonstrates that. Part of the problem is with the questioning process itself - some children will not or cannot talk about what they really feel, and in some cases they suspect the homeopath of being in cahoots with the parents. I hear what you say about homeopathy not being sedative - but can't it be suppressive?
Vera
Robyn wrote:
From: "VR VR"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
know whether it is a good sign or a bad sign and have often wondered about
this.
after the remedy he becomes good and obedient, is that good or is it
suppression? In one case several years ago a teenager came who was having
problems at home. He took a remedy, became completely unbearable and moved
out for six months. If in the hypothetical case of the disruptive child
(which is probably representative of quite a lot of cases), he becomes so
disruptive that he gets thrown out of school, and has to go to a special
institution where he is much happier - how do we read the action of the
remedy on that one? I had a case on similar lines, the patient (early
teens) got Coloc for very bad stomach pains plus strong sense of
humiliation, they said the remedy hadn't helped but within 6 months he'd
moved to a different school - and the stomach pains were gone. Was the
remedy incidental here?
to focus on happiness - if the newly good and obedient child is really happy
with his new behaviour and is able to fulfil himself more completely, then
this seems to be the kind of adaptation you mention showing a positive
direction. However, if the new behaviour makes the child feel wistful about
his "old self", if he doesn't feel happy, then maybe his adaptation to the
classroom has been made at too high a price. The patient who decides to
adapt to a bad marriage because he or she doesn't believe there is anything
better out there - good or bad? At what point does adaptation collide with
loss of hope and optimism?
*****Hi Vera
Re your query as to whether it is suppression if a child after treatment
stops being disruptive.
When you prescribe a remedy, you may initially have a parent tell you that a
child is bieng disruptive in school.
This is not enough to prescribe on - so if you have prescribed, then you
would have had to investigate this situation.
It is the results of this investigation which provides you with the rubrics
or indications that lead you to a remedy or group of remedies for
consideration.
Eg., when you were speaking with the child, you would find out how this
child feels about being in the classes, how they feel about the reaction of
the children, and the teachers to their behaviour and what they would prefer
to be the scenario etc......... You would discover on further enquiry what
this childs fears are, what their dreams are, and what methods they have
used as solutions to this point. You may offer them some alternative
solutions and teach them new perspectives on their views of current
situations, if you feel their views don't serve them.
All this then gives you the info you need.
So, choosing a remedy with the provided responses from your interview should
lead you to a remedy that will help 'balance' the child so they can make a
choice to behave either one way or the other. Sometimes the very act of
interviewing helps the child realise that they have a choice, and how to
implement this choice - and if you do your job well, then the end results
will vary but will be based on the child learning to be the driver rather
than being a passenger, driven by preprogrammed responses or rather,
pregrogrammed reactions to stimuli.
If you look at the following rubric:
MIND - DISOBEDIENCE - children, in
agar. agn. alum. cact. calc-p. CAPS. carc. Caust. Chin. cina colch. coloc.
dulc. fl-ac. hep. lyc. mag-m. MED. merc. moni. nit-ac. nux-v. p-benzq. phos.
PLB. sacch. Sang. sep. sil. spong. staph. stram. sulph. syph. TARENT. Tub.
Verat. vip.
Based on the remedies in this rubric, there is such a variance of possible
ways to be and causes of 'disobedience'. So, if using a rubric like this,
then on investigation it will become clear what kind of picture of
disobedience you are dealing with in this particular case.
I don't see how this could lead to suppression.
So, in my perception, all a remedy will do, is enable the child to step off
the merry-go-round and into the spiral. Where this takes them will be
interesting - and no response will be the same, however, I don't think it
could possibly be suppression if the remedy is homoeopathically prescribed.
Homoeopathic remedies don't work like sedatives in my opinion.
They balance - and therefore, any result that appears to be 'sedative', is
not the same as from a drug with that property. Remedies provide an opening
of a door, that was previously closed or only just ajar. Remedies provide
the opportunity to change the 'field' - a new vantage point - more options
than the previous map provided.
What comes from that balance could be cooperation or behaviour that appears
to be worse than first presented. Whatever, it will resolve in some way. We
cannot predict this with certainty. And i don't think we are expected to be
able to either. The remedy provides the impetus and the child and the
circumstances prevailing will lead to an outcome - one way or another.
In the same vein, I suppose, if you give a remedy and the child remains
'disobedient', it may also be possible that on investigation, that the
disobedience is 'different' than it was initially. This is a change and
maybe one for the better - it is all relative. Thus, that does not mean that
the remedy failed to act - all it means is that it failed to act in the way
'we' had hoped or preferred. Given some more time, maybe some more doses, or
a change in remedies to suit the progression of the case, may eventually
lead to a child appearing to be 'obedient'. As long as their creativity is
not squashed, and they are less reactionary and more responsive to
situations, then the treatment has been successful and instead of being
'obedient' they are merely adapting to the circumstance.
Best
Robyn
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Thanks for your input. It's clear that you can't prescribe just on the disruptive factor, as it can be coming from so many different directions - the different remedies in the rubric you posted really demonstrates that. Part of the problem is with the questioning process itself - some children will not or cannot talk about what they really feel, and in some cases they suspect the homeopath of being in cahoots with the parents. I hear what you say about homeopathy not being sedative - but can't it be suppressive?
Vera
Robyn wrote:
From: "VR VR"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
know whether it is a good sign or a bad sign and have often wondered about
this.
after the remedy he becomes good and obedient, is that good or is it
suppression? In one case several years ago a teenager came who was having
problems at home. He took a remedy, became completely unbearable and moved
out for six months. If in the hypothetical case of the disruptive child
(which is probably representative of quite a lot of cases), he becomes so
disruptive that he gets thrown out of school, and has to go to a special
institution where he is much happier - how do we read the action of the
remedy on that one? I had a case on similar lines, the patient (early
teens) got Coloc for very bad stomach pains plus strong sense of
humiliation, they said the remedy hadn't helped but within 6 months he'd
moved to a different school - and the stomach pains were gone. Was the
remedy incidental here?
to focus on happiness - if the newly good and obedient child is really happy
with his new behaviour and is able to fulfil himself more completely, then
this seems to be the kind of adaptation you mention showing a positive
direction. However, if the new behaviour makes the child feel wistful about
his "old self", if he doesn't feel happy, then maybe his adaptation to the
classroom has been made at too high a price. The patient who decides to
adapt to a bad marriage because he or she doesn't believe there is anything
better out there - good or bad? At what point does adaptation collide with
loss of hope and optimism?
*****Hi Vera
Re your query as to whether it is suppression if a child after treatment
stops being disruptive.
When you prescribe a remedy, you may initially have a parent tell you that a
child is bieng disruptive in school.
This is not enough to prescribe on - so if you have prescribed, then you
would have had to investigate this situation.
It is the results of this investigation which provides you with the rubrics
or indications that lead you to a remedy or group of remedies for
consideration.
Eg., when you were speaking with the child, you would find out how this
child feels about being in the classes, how they feel about the reaction of
the children, and the teachers to their behaviour and what they would prefer
to be the scenario etc......... You would discover on further enquiry what
this childs fears are, what their dreams are, and what methods they have
used as solutions to this point. You may offer them some alternative
solutions and teach them new perspectives on their views of current
situations, if you feel their views don't serve them.
All this then gives you the info you need.
So, choosing a remedy with the provided responses from your interview should
lead you to a remedy that will help 'balance' the child so they can make a
choice to behave either one way or the other. Sometimes the very act of
interviewing helps the child realise that they have a choice, and how to
implement this choice - and if you do your job well, then the end results
will vary but will be based on the child learning to be the driver rather
than being a passenger, driven by preprogrammed responses or rather,
pregrogrammed reactions to stimuli.
If you look at the following rubric:
MIND - DISOBEDIENCE - children, in
agar. agn. alum. cact. calc-p. CAPS. carc. Caust. Chin. cina colch. coloc.
dulc. fl-ac. hep. lyc. mag-m. MED. merc. moni. nit-ac. nux-v. p-benzq. phos.
PLB. sacch. Sang. sep. sil. spong. staph. stram. sulph. syph. TARENT. Tub.
Verat. vip.
Based on the remedies in this rubric, there is such a variance of possible
ways to be and causes of 'disobedience'. So, if using a rubric like this,
then on investigation it will become clear what kind of picture of
disobedience you are dealing with in this particular case.
I don't see how this could lead to suppression.
So, in my perception, all a remedy will do, is enable the child to step off
the merry-go-round and into the spiral. Where this takes them will be
interesting - and no response will be the same, however, I don't think it
could possibly be suppression if the remedy is homoeopathically prescribed.
Homoeopathic remedies don't work like sedatives in my opinion.
They balance - and therefore, any result that appears to be 'sedative', is
not the same as from a drug with that property. Remedies provide an opening
of a door, that was previously closed or only just ajar. Remedies provide
the opportunity to change the 'field' - a new vantage point - more options
than the previous map provided.
What comes from that balance could be cooperation or behaviour that appears
to be worse than first presented. Whatever, it will resolve in some way. We
cannot predict this with certainty. And i don't think we are expected to be
able to either. The remedy provides the impetus and the child and the
circumstances prevailing will lead to an outcome - one way or another.
In the same vein, I suppose, if you give a remedy and the child remains
'disobedient', it may also be possible that on investigation, that the
disobedience is 'different' than it was initially. This is a change and
maybe one for the better - it is all relative. Thus, that does not mean that
the remedy failed to act - all it means is that it failed to act in the way
'we' had hoped or preferred. Given some more time, maybe some more doses, or
a change in remedies to suit the progression of the case, may eventually
lead to a child appearing to be 'obedient'. As long as their creativity is
not squashed, and they are less reactionary and more responsive to
situations, then the treatment has been successful and instead of being
'obedient' they are merely adapting to the circumstance.
Best
Robyn
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
At 06:45 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote:
Hello,
IMO one has to look at the whole Gestalt pattern through the
totality of they symptoms. If a disruptive child becomes more obedient,
energetic, interested and happy then this is an improvement. If a
disruptive child becomes become obedient, tired, uninterested and depressed
these are signs of suppression.
If a teenager is being overly constrained by overly controlling
parents and expresses his dissatisfaction, leaves and forces his parents to
live with reality that is a good sign. If a child is unhappy at regular
school and then expresses this through disruptive behavior and ends up in a
special school that might be good. If the new behavior is related to
suppressed emotions and the Unconscious is activated leading to more
integration with the Self these are good reactions in the long run. Many
times so called "bad behavior" or even "insanity" is an effort to break
free from restrictions. I have seen parents that were smothering their
children to the point the child's Unconscious produces a crisis. One must
look at the archetypes involved and tried to see what the Self is trying to
do and compare signs and symptoms with the time and circumstances.
If a teenage is well treated and then they become unbearable and out
of control and gets wilder than ever it may be new and troublesome symptoms
which is a sign of a wrong remedy. If there is a decline in symptoms of
the psyche with unstable energy patterns and new symptoms things are not
going in the right direction.
Yes, a sense of well-being is an important sign as is an increase in
vitality. All of the factors associated with Hahnemann's direction of cure
cum Hering's laws can be applied to psyche as well as soma. Are their
symptoms for moving from within to without? Are they moving form the more
important to lesser important areas? Are they moving from above to bellow?
Are they moving backward toward the past? Is there an increase in the sense
of well-being? Are they more vital? All of these factors can be applied to
psyche as well as the soma.
Do they start working with the deepest part of themselves i.e the Self?
Are they working through the most important issues to the lesser important
issues from the deeper part of the psyche to the senses? Are the
psychosomatic manifestations moving from above (Unconscious, brain and
nervous system) to the body image, ego and persona? Is their psyche moving
backward through the blocks in the memory and subconscious mind? Do they
feel better after a crisis with more insight and sense of well-being? If
one looks at the essential nature of the totality of the symptoms the
Gestalt-pattern will show what is going on in the invisible Esse.
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Hello,
IMO one has to look at the whole Gestalt pattern through the
totality of they symptoms. If a disruptive child becomes more obedient,
energetic, interested and happy then this is an improvement. If a
disruptive child becomes become obedient, tired, uninterested and depressed
these are signs of suppression.
If a teenager is being overly constrained by overly controlling
parents and expresses his dissatisfaction, leaves and forces his parents to
live with reality that is a good sign. If a child is unhappy at regular
school and then expresses this through disruptive behavior and ends up in a
special school that might be good. If the new behavior is related to
suppressed emotions and the Unconscious is activated leading to more
integration with the Self these are good reactions in the long run. Many
times so called "bad behavior" or even "insanity" is an effort to break
free from restrictions. I have seen parents that were smothering their
children to the point the child's Unconscious produces a crisis. One must
look at the archetypes involved and tried to see what the Self is trying to
do and compare signs and symptoms with the time and circumstances.
If a teenage is well treated and then they become unbearable and out
of control and gets wilder than ever it may be new and troublesome symptoms
which is a sign of a wrong remedy. If there is a decline in symptoms of
the psyche with unstable energy patterns and new symptoms things are not
going in the right direction.
Yes, a sense of well-being is an important sign as is an increase in
vitality. All of the factors associated with Hahnemann's direction of cure
cum Hering's laws can be applied to psyche as well as soma. Are their
symptoms for moving from within to without? Are they moving form the more
important to lesser important areas? Are they moving from above to bellow?
Are they moving backward toward the past? Is there an increase in the sense
of well-being? Are they more vital? All of these factors can be applied to
psyche as well as the soma.
Do they start working with the deepest part of themselves i.e the Self?
Are they working through the most important issues to the lesser important
issues from the deeper part of the psyche to the senses? Are the
psychosomatic manifestations moving from above (Unconscious, brain and
nervous system) to the body image, ego and persona? Is their psyche moving
backward through the blocks in the memory and subconscious mind? Do they
feel better after a crisis with more insight and sense of well-being? If
one looks at the essential nature of the totality of the symptoms the
Gestalt-pattern will show what is going on in the invisible Esse.
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000