It seems to me that very often in these discussions of comparisons between poor and rich, developed and developing societies etc., the issue of happiness falls between the cracks. Homeopaths know that any attempt to heal must lead to levels of increased happiness in order to achieve true cure. Even conventional medicine is beginning to acknowledge the fact, although they tend to put the enzymes (cart) before the spiritual sensations (horse), and give psychiatric drugs to depressed people.
Part of the problem in today's confused society is that happiness has become synonymous with elements like wealth, appearance, status, and people have lost the ability to recognize happiness when they experience the stirrings of it. The de rigeur cynicism of the age means that it's become banal to admit to happiness, to grin walking down the road on a spring day with trees in full flower, to allow oneself to smile more.
When I was a student there were a lot of discussions about the differences between health and disease, but I don't remember happiness figuring largely in the discussion. Part of the problem for patients is often a refusal to recognize the buds of their own happiness because their health isn't so good, because their relationships are far from perfect, because their lives are hard. I believe that being able to recognize these buds and to allow them to flower is an essential part of cure, and I'm wary of generalisations about poor/rich or developed/developing societies that assume that all personal individual experience is included within cultural definitions.
One of my teachers once told me that she moved her family away from the polluted city to live an organic life in more natural surroundings, but after several years of breathing pure air she realized that they would have to move back. It wasn't healthy for her family to be away from their social peers, they were not happy. For this family, the spiritual and physical pollution of the city provided a healthier environment than the organically correct countryside. This demonstrated for me the difficulties of determining obstacles to cure in the modern world, and the necessity to emphasize the importance of happiness, often in the face of health logic, in determining the route to health.
To me, in terms of what to do about the situation, part of the answer is to emphasize the importance of happiness - not in meditational tranquility but in the everyday elements of life. A patient recently said that a remedy had helped her to laugh again - it wasn't important what she was laughing about, only that she'd managed to touch her internal happiness.
Vera Resnick
Simon King wrote:
This conversation reminds me of books that came out in my early
twenties "Future Shock" and "Super nature" - if I have remembered the
names and content right - they discussed these very issues, way way
back then. (70's)
Sadly as then, I think 'what can be done about it?'
I have not had the pleasure of practicing outside Europe but many
colleagues have commented similarily that when treating Px in the
'under developed ' countries they respond much more thoroughly and
faster to homeopathy, and they have been stunned at the level of
pathology that has shifted
Simon
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Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
I'm not sure that I agree to such a generalisation. The limiting
factors to happiness are different perhaps twixt rich and poor but I
question whether the issue of happiness falls between the cracks in
these discussions.
I think one has to be very careful when discussing 'cure' to quantify
what this 'level of increased happiness means'.
By all means one should be 'happier ' when no longer limited by
illness/disease (whatever one quantifies that to be) not to assume that
it is therefore within the remit of the homeopath to do more than
return the Px to a point of freedom of choice/limitations.
I am speaking about the far end of the spectrum where certain
practitioners adopt the role of priest/christ and believe cure is not
established until spiritual salvation is attained by their
administrations. I have actually heard more than one homeopath state
that although the Px died they cured their soul. That anyone expects to
deliver more than 'healing' I consider highly questionable, that they
believe they are privvy to the state of another soul after death I
would find hilaroius. , except that this presumption might, and I
emphasise might, have affected their treatment protocol. This however
should perhaps the subject of a separate discussion if it is to be
gone in to in depth.
I am not sure that the people in poor countries are neccesarily any
less deluded by the lure of wealth, just they haven't atttained it.
There are poor and rich people in every country. Neither do I think
that spiritual cynicism is any greater or lesser than at any other time
in history. That it exists we all agree , I'm sure, But people do
smile as they walk down the road, for no reason other than they feel
happy. I see it.
There our experiences differ.
Part of our work is invariably pointing out where the Px is going
wrong. We all lose our way sometimes and benefit from directions:-)
Right on!!
If you want to do what you love it will be easy - Courtney Pine
factors to happiness are different perhaps twixt rich and poor but I
question whether the issue of happiness falls between the cracks in
these discussions.
I think one has to be very careful when discussing 'cure' to quantify
what this 'level of increased happiness means'.
By all means one should be 'happier ' when no longer limited by
illness/disease (whatever one quantifies that to be) not to assume that
it is therefore within the remit of the homeopath to do more than
return the Px to a point of freedom of choice/limitations.
I am speaking about the far end of the spectrum where certain
practitioners adopt the role of priest/christ and believe cure is not
established until spiritual salvation is attained by their
administrations. I have actually heard more than one homeopath state
that although the Px died they cured their soul. That anyone expects to
deliver more than 'healing' I consider highly questionable, that they
believe they are privvy to the state of another soul after death I
would find hilaroius. , except that this presumption might, and I
emphasise might, have affected their treatment protocol. This however
should perhaps the subject of a separate discussion if it is to be
gone in to in depth.
I am not sure that the people in poor countries are neccesarily any
less deluded by the lure of wealth, just they haven't atttained it.
There are poor and rich people in every country. Neither do I think
that spiritual cynicism is any greater or lesser than at any other time
in history. That it exists we all agree , I'm sure, But people do
smile as they walk down the road, for no reason other than they feel
happy. I see it.
There our experiences differ.
Part of our work is invariably pointing out where the Px is going
wrong. We all lose our way sometimes and benefit from directions:-)
Right on!!
If you want to do what you love it will be easy - Courtney Pine
Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
I think it would be interesting to try to quantify different levels of happiness and their connection to susceptibility - it's probably been done in some shape or form (probably obscure). But part of what I do see is people who don't want to acknowledge their happiness - a sense that "in these difficult times it's just not done..." or a superstitious fear that if they admit to happiness something will go wrong. Of course there are symptom rubrics covering all of this..! I'm wary of idealizing the past, the simple life, the farm, some day I'm sure people will be nostalgic about 2005 and say what a wonderful healthy time this was...!
You mention that there are those homeopaths who see themselves as priests/saviours and that's really scary, almost as bad as the patient who sees the healer as a magician. I prefer the cynics myself, they are always happy - if it doesn't help they pat themselves on the back for their foreknowledge, and if they are cured, well, they feel better don't they!
Regards,
Vera
Simon King wrote:
I'm not sure that I agree to such a generalisation. The limiting
factors to happiness are different perhaps twixt rich and poor but I
question whether the issue of happiness falls between the cracks in
these discussions.
I think one has to be very careful when discussing 'cure' to quantify
what this 'level of increased happiness means'.
By all means one should be 'happier ' when no longer limited by
illness/disease (whatever one quantifies that to be) not to assume that
it is therefore within the remit of the homeopath to do more than
return the Px to a point of freedom of choice/limitations.
I am speaking about the far end of the spectrum where certain
practitioners adopt the role of priest/christ and believe cure is not
established until spiritual salvation is attained by their
administrations. I have actually heard more than one homeopath state
that although the Px died they cured their soul. That anyone expects to
deliver more than 'healing' I consider highly questionable, that they
believe they are privvy to the state of another soul after death I
would find hilaroius. , except that this presumption might, and I
emphasise might, have affected their treatment protocol. This however
should perhaps the subject of a separate discussion if it is to be
gone in to in depth.
I am not sure that the people in poor countries are neccesarily any
less deluded by the lure of wealth, just they haven't atttained it.
There are poor and rich people in every country. Neither do I think
that spiritual cynicism is any greater or lesser than at any other time
in history. That it exists we all agree , I'm sure, But people do
smile as they walk down the road, for no reason other than they feel
happy. I see it.
There our experiences differ.
Part of our work is invariably pointing out where the Px is going
wrong. We all lose our way sometimes and benefit from directions:-)
Right on!!
If you want to do what you love it will be easy - Courtney Pine
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You mention that there are those homeopaths who see themselves as priests/saviours and that's really scary, almost as bad as the patient who sees the healer as a magician. I prefer the cynics myself, they are always happy - if it doesn't help they pat themselves on the back for their foreknowledge, and if they are cured, well, they feel better don't they!
Regards,
Vera
Simon King wrote:
I'm not sure that I agree to such a generalisation. The limiting
factors to happiness are different perhaps twixt rich and poor but I
question whether the issue of happiness falls between the cracks in
these discussions.
I think one has to be very careful when discussing 'cure' to quantify
what this 'level of increased happiness means'.
By all means one should be 'happier ' when no longer limited by
illness/disease (whatever one quantifies that to be) not to assume that
it is therefore within the remit of the homeopath to do more than
return the Px to a point of freedom of choice/limitations.
I am speaking about the far end of the spectrum where certain
practitioners adopt the role of priest/christ and believe cure is not
established until spiritual salvation is attained by their
administrations. I have actually heard more than one homeopath state
that although the Px died they cured their soul. That anyone expects to
deliver more than 'healing' I consider highly questionable, that they
believe they are privvy to the state of another soul after death I
would find hilaroius. , except that this presumption might, and I
emphasise might, have affected their treatment protocol. This however
should perhaps the subject of a separate discussion if it is to be
gone in to in depth.
I am not sure that the people in poor countries are neccesarily any
less deluded by the lure of wealth, just they haven't atttained it.
There are poor and rich people in every country. Neither do I think
that spiritual cynicism is any greater or lesser than at any other time
in history. That it exists we all agree , I'm sure, But people do
smile as they walk down the road, for no reason other than they feel
happy. I see it.
There our experiences differ.
Part of our work is invariably pointing out where the Px is going
wrong. We all lose our way sometimes and benefit from directions:-)
Right on!!
If you want to do what you love it will be easy - Courtney Pine
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
I think that the rich have the "luxury" of better education and aslo a degree of leisure - which allows them to indulge their fantasies and delusions. One of these being that the acquisition of goods makes them "better" or happier - I'll be happy when I get a particular car, live in a particular place, can send my kids to private school, etc, etc. Those on less than $1 per day don't have time to think about this - they are busy getting on with survival.
I am not saying that to be poor is better, or otherwise, but I do think people with less understand happiness far more than their better off cousins. The more affluent confuse happiness with stuff, and also are unable to accept happiness as being simple - maybe it is just a sense of well-being, of contentment. The wealthier we become the more extreme the experience has to be in order for the feeling to be recognised. So for many in the western urban society happiness has to be more akin to bliss or ecstacy. We are no longer bored or fed-up, we're "depressed".
Allopathic medicine has taught us that there is " a pill for every ill" - you don't like the way you feel so change it - headache pills, mood pills, etc. Take a pill - don't examine why you may be in this state, and PLEASE don't do something simple like rest, or talk to your friends or family, or go for a walk - or do nothing.
I do not idealise the past - I live in a country for several weeks per year, in which I step back in time, by about 100 years. Life there is very hard, people work very long and in very heavy jobs, with very little financial reward. Their access to education and health care is almost non-existent - it is changing, but slowly and not necessarily for the better. Meanwhile I do see poeple barely adequately nourished, kids with severe problems from simple childhood acutes, adults with the long term consequences of the same. I see people who have become good and valued friends become old before their time from their cares and worrries and from sheer overwork. Now I am also beginning to see the ailements from allopathic medical abuse - inappropriate use of antibiotics, vaccinosis, mis-diagnosis and so on.
I think, in the end, I have come to see that it is important to be mindful of who you are and where you fit in. To be careful what you wish for - you might just get it - and King Midas found that it wasn't so great. I think the developed nations are just beginning to realise that. Heaven help us all!
Liz
VR VR wrote:
I think it would be interesting to try to quantify different levels of happiness and their connection to susceptibility - it's probably been done in some shape or form (probably obscure). But part of what I do see is people who don't want to acknowledge their happiness - a sense that "in these difficult times it's just not done..." or a superstitious fear that if they admit to happiness something will go wrong. Of course there are symptom rubrics covering all of this..! I'm wary of idealizing the past, the simple life, the farm, some day I'm sure people will be nostalgic about 2005 and say what a wonderful healthy time this was...!
You mention that there are those homeopaths who see themselves as priests/saviours and that's really scary, almost as bad as the patient who sees the healer as a magician. I prefer the cynics myself, they are always happy - if it doesn't help they pat themselves on the back for their foreknowledge, and if they are cured, well, they feel better don't they!
Regards,
Vera
Simon King wrote:
I'm not sure that I agree to such a generalisation. The limiting
factors to happiness are different perhaps twixt rich and poor but I
question whether the issue of happiness falls between the cracks in
these discussions.
I think one has to be very careful when discussing 'cure' to quantify
what this 'level of increased happiness means'.
By all means one should be 'happier ' when no longer limited by
illness/disease (whatever one quantifies that to be) not to assume that
it is therefore within the remit of the homeopath to do more than
return the Px to a point of freedom of choice/limitations.
I am speaking about the far end of the spectrum where certain
practitioners adopt the role of priest/christ and believe cure is not
established until spiritual salvation is attained by their
administrations. I have actually heard more than one homeopath state
that although the Px died they cured their soul. That anyone expects to
deliver more than 'healing' I consider highly questionable, that they
believe they are privvy to the state of another soul after death I
would find hilaroius. , except that this presumption might, and I
emphasise might, have affected their treatment protocol. This however
should perhaps the subject of a separate discussion if it is to be
gone in to in depth.
I am not sure that the people in poor countries are neccesarily any
less deluded by the lure of wealth, just they haven't atttained it.
There are poor and rich people in every country. Neither do I think
that spiritual cynicism is any greater or lesser than at any other time
in history. That it exists we all agree , I'm sure, But people do
smile as they walk down the road, for no reason other than they feel
happy. I see it.
There our experiences differ.
Part of our work is invariably pointing out where the Px is going
wrong. We all lose our way sometimes and benefit from directions:-)
Right on!!
If you want to do what you love it will be easy - Courtney Pine
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I am not saying that to be poor is better, or otherwise, but I do think people with less understand happiness far more than their better off cousins. The more affluent confuse happiness with stuff, and also are unable to accept happiness as being simple - maybe it is just a sense of well-being, of contentment. The wealthier we become the more extreme the experience has to be in order for the feeling to be recognised. So for many in the western urban society happiness has to be more akin to bliss or ecstacy. We are no longer bored or fed-up, we're "depressed".
Allopathic medicine has taught us that there is " a pill for every ill" - you don't like the way you feel so change it - headache pills, mood pills, etc. Take a pill - don't examine why you may be in this state, and PLEASE don't do something simple like rest, or talk to your friends or family, or go for a walk - or do nothing.
I do not idealise the past - I live in a country for several weeks per year, in which I step back in time, by about 100 years. Life there is very hard, people work very long and in very heavy jobs, with very little financial reward. Their access to education and health care is almost non-existent - it is changing, but slowly and not necessarily for the better. Meanwhile I do see poeple barely adequately nourished, kids with severe problems from simple childhood acutes, adults with the long term consequences of the same. I see people who have become good and valued friends become old before their time from their cares and worrries and from sheer overwork. Now I am also beginning to see the ailements from allopathic medical abuse - inappropriate use of antibiotics, vaccinosis, mis-diagnosis and so on.
I think, in the end, I have come to see that it is important to be mindful of who you are and where you fit in. To be careful what you wish for - you might just get it - and King Midas found that it wasn't so great. I think the developed nations are just beginning to realise that. Heaven help us all!
Liz
VR VR wrote:
I think it would be interesting to try to quantify different levels of happiness and their connection to susceptibility - it's probably been done in some shape or form (probably obscure). But part of what I do see is people who don't want to acknowledge their happiness - a sense that "in these difficult times it's just not done..." or a superstitious fear that if they admit to happiness something will go wrong. Of course there are symptom rubrics covering all of this..! I'm wary of idealizing the past, the simple life, the farm, some day I'm sure people will be nostalgic about 2005 and say what a wonderful healthy time this was...!
You mention that there are those homeopaths who see themselves as priests/saviours and that's really scary, almost as bad as the patient who sees the healer as a magician. I prefer the cynics myself, they are always happy - if it doesn't help they pat themselves on the back for their foreknowledge, and if they are cured, well, they feel better don't they!
Regards,
Vera
Simon King wrote:
I'm not sure that I agree to such a generalisation. The limiting
factors to happiness are different perhaps twixt rich and poor but I
question whether the issue of happiness falls between the cracks in
these discussions.
I think one has to be very careful when discussing 'cure' to quantify
what this 'level of increased happiness means'.
By all means one should be 'happier ' when no longer limited by
illness/disease (whatever one quantifies that to be) not to assume that
it is therefore within the remit of the homeopath to do more than
return the Px to a point of freedom of choice/limitations.
I am speaking about the far end of the spectrum where certain
practitioners adopt the role of priest/christ and believe cure is not
established until spiritual salvation is attained by their
administrations. I have actually heard more than one homeopath state
that although the Px died they cured their soul. That anyone expects to
deliver more than 'healing' I consider highly questionable, that they
believe they are privvy to the state of another soul after death I
would find hilaroius. , except that this presumption might, and I
emphasise might, have affected their treatment protocol. This however
should perhaps the subject of a separate discussion if it is to be
gone in to in depth.
I am not sure that the people in poor countries are neccesarily any
less deluded by the lure of wealth, just they haven't atttained it.
There are poor and rich people in every country. Neither do I think
that spiritual cynicism is any greater or lesser than at any other time
in history. That it exists we all agree , I'm sure, But people do
smile as they walk down the road, for no reason other than they feel
happy. I see it.
There our experiences differ.
Part of our work is invariably pointing out where the Px is going
wrong. We all lose our way sometimes and benefit from directions:-)
Right on!!
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
I view the state of the Px not in terms of rich/poor, developed/undeveloped
society, or even ill/healthy. Aside from the physical manifestation of PX's
physical discomfort (which usually is the reason they seek out homeopathic
treatment) to me the most vital issue is the ability of the Px to be or become
adaptable. It seems to me that the ability to adapt has more profound
ramifications than any other state of being. Their ability to select mentally or
physically another path that invites peace into their lives is of the utmost
importance. We have all seen the PX afflicted with morbid conditions yet they
cheerfully move on through their lives. Some patients are "frozen" in a state
and after receiving the well selected remedy though the environmental,
financial, social, or interpersonal conditions have not changed, develop adaptive
mental states (and consequential adaptive behaviors) that allow them to
continue their journey through this plane of existence with ease.
Dr. Carol Stuart-Bernat
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society, or even ill/healthy. Aside from the physical manifestation of PX's
physical discomfort (which usually is the reason they seek out homeopathic
treatment) to me the most vital issue is the ability of the Px to be or become
adaptable. It seems to me that the ability to adapt has more profound
ramifications than any other state of being. Their ability to select mentally or
physically another path that invites peace into their lives is of the utmost
importance. We have all seen the PX afflicted with morbid conditions yet they
cheerfully move on through their lives. Some patients are "frozen" in a state
and after receiving the well selected remedy though the environmental,
financial, social, or interpersonal conditions have not changed, develop adaptive
mental states (and consequential adaptive behaviors) that allow them to
continue their journey through this plane of existence with ease.
Dr. Carol Stuart-Bernat
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
I find the idea you raise, of adaptability, really interesting. I don't know whether it is a good sign or a bad sign and have often wondered about this.
If a child comes for treatment because he is disruptive in school, and after the remedy he becomes good and obedient, is that good or is it suppression? In one case several years ago a teenager came who was having problems at home. He took a remedy, became completely unbearable and moved out for six months. If in the hypothetical case of the disruptive child (which is probably representative of quite a lot of cases), he becomes so disruptive that he gets thrown out of school, and has to go to a special institution where he is much happier - how do we read the action of the remedy on that one? I had a case on similar lines, the patient (early teens) got Coloc for very bad stomach pains plus strong sense of humiliation, they said the remedy hadn't helped but within 6 months he'd moved to a different school - and the stomach pains were gone. Was the remedy incidental here?
I find these cases very difficult to "read". In a way that's why I prefer to focus on happiness - if the newly good and obedient child is really happy with his new behaviour and is able to fulfil himself more completely, then this seems to be the kind of adaptation you mention showing a positive direction. However, if the new behaviour makes the child feel wistful about his "old self", if he doesn't feel happy, then maybe his adaptation to the classroom has been made at too high a price. The patient who decides to adapt to a bad marriage because he or she doesn't believe there is anything better out there - good or bad? At what point does adaptation collide with loss of hope and optimism?
Thanks for giving me food for thought!
Vera Resnick
CLBernat@aol.com wrote:
I view the state of the Px not in terms of rich/poor, developed/undeveloped
society, or even ill/healthy. Aside from the physical manifestation of PX's
physical discomfort (which usually is the reason they seek out homeopathic
treatment) to me the most vital issue is the ability of the Px to be or become
adaptable. It seems to me that the ability to adapt has more profound
ramifications than any other state of being. Their ability to select mentally or
physically another path that invites peace into their lives is of the utmost
importance. We have all seen the PX afflicted with morbid conditions yet they
cheerfully move on through their lives. Some patients are "frozen" in a state
and after receiving the well selected remedy though the environmental,
financial, social, or interpersonal conditions have not changed, develop adaptive
mental states (and consequential adaptive behaviors) that allow them to
continue their journey through this plane of existence with ease.
Dr. Carol Stuart-Bernat
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If a child comes for treatment because he is disruptive in school, and after the remedy he becomes good and obedient, is that good or is it suppression? In one case several years ago a teenager came who was having problems at home. He took a remedy, became completely unbearable and moved out for six months. If in the hypothetical case of the disruptive child (which is probably representative of quite a lot of cases), he becomes so disruptive that he gets thrown out of school, and has to go to a special institution where he is much happier - how do we read the action of the remedy on that one? I had a case on similar lines, the patient (early teens) got Coloc for very bad stomach pains plus strong sense of humiliation, they said the remedy hadn't helped but within 6 months he'd moved to a different school - and the stomach pains were gone. Was the remedy incidental here?
I find these cases very difficult to "read". In a way that's why I prefer to focus on happiness - if the newly good and obedient child is really happy with his new behaviour and is able to fulfil himself more completely, then this seems to be the kind of adaptation you mention showing a positive direction. However, if the new behaviour makes the child feel wistful about his "old self", if he doesn't feel happy, then maybe his adaptation to the classroom has been made at too high a price. The patient who decides to adapt to a bad marriage because he or she doesn't believe there is anything better out there - good or bad? At what point does adaptation collide with loss of hope and optimism?
Thanks for giving me food for thought!
Vera Resnick
CLBernat@aol.com wrote:
I view the state of the Px not in terms of rich/poor, developed/undeveloped
society, or even ill/healthy. Aside from the physical manifestation of PX's
physical discomfort (which usually is the reason they seek out homeopathic
treatment) to me the most vital issue is the ability of the Px to be or become
adaptable. It seems to me that the ability to adapt has more profound
ramifications than any other state of being. Their ability to select mentally or
physically another path that invites peace into their lives is of the utmost
importance. We have all seen the PX afflicted with morbid conditions yet they
cheerfully move on through their lives. Some patients are "frozen" in a state
and after receiving the well selected remedy though the environmental,
financial, social, or interpersonal conditions have not changed, develop adaptive
mental states (and consequential adaptive behaviors) that allow them to
continue their journey through this plane of existence with ease.
Dr. Carol Stuart-Bernat
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
Dear Colleagues
Is not the fact that with most people, the more they have of something, the
more they want of that and also of other things?
This is the whole idea behind most advertising and marketing ploys. Result
is the creation of False targets and false ideals/values and discontentment.
If we consider disease as 'dis - ease', then there is something that stops
some people to be at ease with themselves and their environment.
This is often an imbalance of something - where we are balancing
work/family, wealth gathering/rest etc etc.
There is nothing wrong in the aim of bettering our lives. But the great
consideration is
What is the cost of this improvement?
Where/when will it end and to what purpose?
If the target is purely power / material gathering - the project is doomed
in the long term.
We also need to consider the last section of Aph 9 -
"So that our indwelling, reason-gifted mind can freely employ this living,
healthy instrument for the higher purpose of our existence."
In other words, our goal is to find out the reason/purpose behind our being
and set about achieving it.
Part this the realisation is that all of the things we have to our hand are
just material things to help us achieve our higher goals as beautifully put
by Hn.
We cannot take anything material with us when we go to the next realm. So
why the greed?
What makes the difference is whether we have managed to leave the animal
world and enter the world of humanity - even if partially.
(A wise sage said that if you consider people, you see God's creation in
them - There those that are like stones, those that are like plants, those
that are like various animals (so you see the sheep, the cats, the dogs, the
foxes, the snakes etc) and you see very few who have achieved becoming a
human. A debateable point for some, I am sure, but I see a lot of validity
in that statement.)
So perhaps when the 'animal' aspect of our being creates a situation where
we are not content and over-strive, then that is a form of disease.
When someone's richness becomes a burden so that they are in a constant
state of anxiety where they fear being attacked/killed by robbers etc to the
degree that they become ill, then what is the value of that wealth?
I think the key is MODERATION in ALL THINGS - Even studying homoeopathy!
Rgds
Soroush
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Is not the fact that with most people, the more they have of something, the
more they want of that and also of other things?
This is the whole idea behind most advertising and marketing ploys. Result
is the creation of False targets and false ideals/values and discontentment.
If we consider disease as 'dis - ease', then there is something that stops
some people to be at ease with themselves and their environment.
This is often an imbalance of something - where we are balancing
work/family, wealth gathering/rest etc etc.
There is nothing wrong in the aim of bettering our lives. But the great
consideration is
What is the cost of this improvement?
Where/when will it end and to what purpose?
If the target is purely power / material gathering - the project is doomed
in the long term.
We also need to consider the last section of Aph 9 -
"So that our indwelling, reason-gifted mind can freely employ this living,
healthy instrument for the higher purpose of our existence."
In other words, our goal is to find out the reason/purpose behind our being
and set about achieving it.
Part this the realisation is that all of the things we have to our hand are
just material things to help us achieve our higher goals as beautifully put
by Hn.
We cannot take anything material with us when we go to the next realm. So
why the greed?
What makes the difference is whether we have managed to leave the animal
world and enter the world of humanity - even if partially.
(A wise sage said that if you consider people, you see God's creation in
them - There those that are like stones, those that are like plants, those
that are like various animals (so you see the sheep, the cats, the dogs, the
foxes, the snakes etc) and you see very few who have achieved becoming a
human. A debateable point for some, I am sure, but I see a lot of validity
in that statement.)
So perhaps when the 'animal' aspect of our being creates a situation where
we are not content and over-strive, then that is a form of disease.
When someone's richness becomes a burden so that they are in a constant
state of anxiety where they fear being attacked/killed by robbers etc to the
degree that they become ill, then what is the value of that wealth?
I think the key is MODERATION in ALL THINGS - Even studying homoeopathy!
Rgds
Soroush
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Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
At 06:27 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote:
Very insight and clear, Dr. Carol,
Evolution and adaptation are part of the instinctual processes of the
Vital Force. The more heathy the patient the more "adaptation energy" the
have at their disposal. There are, however, different degrees of stress,
strain and virulence. For example, a normal healthy persons can adapt to an
unseasonable spell of damp, rain and cold while a unhealthy person might
become quite sick. The exciting cause was the weather but the fundamental
cause is in the constitution and predispositions of the patient. Under
treatment the patient gains more resistance and adaption energy and becomes
more resistant to such states in the future. This is true both psychically
and physically.
Nevertheless, there causal powers that are so strong almost no one can
adapted to them. For example, let us take these two same people and but
them in a dark, damp basement on bread one water for a few years. There are
very few persons (if any) that can adapt to such conditions and suffer no
consequences. Strong maintaining causes form obstacles to the cure that
need to be removed as well as possible. A certain about of stress is
helpful to evolution and adaptation while excessive stress produces
diseases and decline. Evolution and devolution takes place individually and
collectively and is affected by outer and inner circumstances. Considering
all the factors adaptability is central and a wonderful way to viewing the
progress.
Sincerely, David Little
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David Little © 2000
Very insight and clear, Dr. Carol,
Evolution and adaptation are part of the instinctual processes of the
Vital Force. The more heathy the patient the more "adaptation energy" the
have at their disposal. There are, however, different degrees of stress,
strain and virulence. For example, a normal healthy persons can adapt to an
unseasonable spell of damp, rain and cold while a unhealthy person might
become quite sick. The exciting cause was the weather but the fundamental
cause is in the constitution and predispositions of the patient. Under
treatment the patient gains more resistance and adaption energy and becomes
more resistant to such states in the future. This is true both psychically
and physically.
Nevertheless, there causal powers that are so strong almost no one can
adapted to them. For example, let us take these two same people and but
them in a dark, damp basement on bread one water for a few years. There are
very few persons (if any) that can adapt to such conditions and suffer no
consequences. Strong maintaining causes form obstacles to the cure that
need to be removed as well as possible. A certain about of stress is
helpful to evolution and adaptation while excessive stress produces
diseases and decline. Evolution and devolution takes place individually and
collectively and is affected by outer and inner circumstances. Considering
all the factors adaptability is central and a wonderful way to viewing the
progress.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Re: Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
From: "VR VR"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
know whether it is a good sign or a bad sign and have often wondered about
this.
after the remedy he becomes good and obedient, is that good or is it
suppression? In one case several years ago a teenager came who was having
problems at home. He took a remedy, became completely unbearable and moved
out for six months. If in the hypothetical case of the disruptive child
(which is probably representative of quite a lot of cases), he becomes so
disruptive that he gets thrown out of school, and has to go to a special
institution where he is much happier - how do we read the action of the
remedy on that one? I had a case on similar lines, the patient (early
teens) got Coloc for very bad stomach pains plus strong sense of
humiliation, they said the remedy hadn't helped but within 6 months he'd
moved to a different school - and the stomach pains were gone. Was the
remedy incidental here?
to focus on happiness - if the newly good and obedient child is really happy
with his new behaviour and is able to fulfil himself more completely, then
this seems to be the kind of adaptation you mention showing a positive
direction. However, if the new behaviour makes the child feel wistful about
his "old self", if he doesn't feel happy, then maybe his adaptation to the
classroom has been made at too high a price. The patient who decides to
adapt to a bad marriage because he or she doesn't believe there is anything
better out there - good or bad? At what point does adaptation collide with
loss of hope and optimism?
*****Hi Vera
Re your query as to whether it is suppression if a child after treatment
stops being disruptive.
When you prescribe a remedy, you may initially have a parent tell you that a
child is bieng disruptive in school.
This is not enough to prescribe on - so if you have prescribed, then you
would have had to investigate this situation.
It is the results of this investigation which provides you with the rubrics
or indications that lead you to a remedy or group of remedies for
consideration.
Eg., when you were speaking with the child, you would find out how this
child feels about being in the classes, how they feel about the reaction of
the children, and the teachers to their behaviour and what they would prefer
to be the scenario etc......... You would discover on further enquiry what
this childs fears are, what their dreams are, and what methods they have
used as solutions to this point. You may offer them some alternative
solutions and teach them new perspectives on their views of current
situations, if you feel their views don't serve them.
All this then gives you the info you need.
So, choosing a remedy with the provided responses from your interview should
lead you to a remedy that will help 'balance' the child so they can make a
choice to behave either one way or the other. Sometimes the very act of
interviewing helps the child realise that they have a choice, and how to
implement this choice - and if you do your job well, then the end results
will vary but will be based on the child learning to be the driver rather
than being a passenger, driven by preprogrammed responses or rather,
pregrogrammed reactions to stimuli.
If you look at the following rubric:
MIND - DISOBEDIENCE - children, in
agar. agn. alum. cact. calc-p. CAPS. carc. Caust. Chin. cina colch. coloc.
dulc. fl-ac. hep. lyc. mag-m. MED. merc. moni. nit-ac. nux-v. p-benzq. phos.
PLB. sacch. Sang. sep. sil. spong. staph. stram. sulph. syph. TARENT. Tub.
Verat. vip.
Based on the remedies in this rubric, there is such a variance of possible
ways to be and causes of 'disobedience'. So, if using a rubric like this,
then on investigation it will become clear what kind of picture of
disobedience you are dealing with in this particular case.
I don't see how this could lead to suppression.
So, in my perception, all a remedy will do, is enable the child to step off
the merry-go-round and into the spiral. Where this takes them will be
interesting - and no response will be the same, however, I don't think it
could possibly be suppression if the remedy is homoeopathically prescribed.
Homoeopathic remedies don't work like sedatives in my opinion.
They balance - and therefore, any result that appears to be 'sedative', is
not the same as from a drug with that property. Remedies provide an opening
of a door, that was previously closed or only just ajar. Remedies provide
the opportunity to change the 'field' - a new vantage point - more options
than the previous map provided.
What comes from that balance could be cooperation or behaviour that appears
to be worse than first presented. Whatever, it will resolve in some way. We
cannot predict this with certainty. And i don't think we are expected to be
able to either. The remedy provides the impetus and the child and the
circumstances prevailing will lead to an outcome - one way or another.
In the same vein, I suppose, if you give a remedy and the child remains
'disobedient', it may also be possible that on investigation, that the
disobedience is 'different' than it was initially. This is a change and
maybe one for the better - it is all relative. Thus, that does not mean that
the remedy failed to act - all it means is that it failed to act in the way
'we' had hoped or preferred. Given some more time, maybe some more doses, or
a change in remedies to suit the progression of the case, may eventually
lead to a child appearing to be 'obedient'. As long as their creativity is
not squashed, and they are less reactionary and more responsive to
situations, then the treatment has been successful and instead of being
'obedient' they are merely adapting to the circumstance.
Best
Robyn
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Poor vs Rich - the happiness factor?
know whether it is a good sign or a bad sign and have often wondered about
this.
after the remedy he becomes good and obedient, is that good or is it
suppression? In one case several years ago a teenager came who was having
problems at home. He took a remedy, became completely unbearable and moved
out for six months. If in the hypothetical case of the disruptive child
(which is probably representative of quite a lot of cases), he becomes so
disruptive that he gets thrown out of school, and has to go to a special
institution where he is much happier - how do we read the action of the
remedy on that one? I had a case on similar lines, the patient (early
teens) got Coloc for very bad stomach pains plus strong sense of
humiliation, they said the remedy hadn't helped but within 6 months he'd
moved to a different school - and the stomach pains were gone. Was the
remedy incidental here?
to focus on happiness - if the newly good and obedient child is really happy
with his new behaviour and is able to fulfil himself more completely, then
this seems to be the kind of adaptation you mention showing a positive
direction. However, if the new behaviour makes the child feel wistful about
his "old self", if he doesn't feel happy, then maybe his adaptation to the
classroom has been made at too high a price. The patient who decides to
adapt to a bad marriage because he or she doesn't believe there is anything
better out there - good or bad? At what point does adaptation collide with
loss of hope and optimism?
*****Hi Vera
Re your query as to whether it is suppression if a child after treatment
stops being disruptive.
When you prescribe a remedy, you may initially have a parent tell you that a
child is bieng disruptive in school.
This is not enough to prescribe on - so if you have prescribed, then you
would have had to investigate this situation.
It is the results of this investigation which provides you with the rubrics
or indications that lead you to a remedy or group of remedies for
consideration.
Eg., when you were speaking with the child, you would find out how this
child feels about being in the classes, how they feel about the reaction of
the children, and the teachers to their behaviour and what they would prefer
to be the scenario etc......... You would discover on further enquiry what
this childs fears are, what their dreams are, and what methods they have
used as solutions to this point. You may offer them some alternative
solutions and teach them new perspectives on their views of current
situations, if you feel their views don't serve them.
All this then gives you the info you need.
So, choosing a remedy with the provided responses from your interview should
lead you to a remedy that will help 'balance' the child so they can make a
choice to behave either one way or the other. Sometimes the very act of
interviewing helps the child realise that they have a choice, and how to
implement this choice - and if you do your job well, then the end results
will vary but will be based on the child learning to be the driver rather
than being a passenger, driven by preprogrammed responses or rather,
pregrogrammed reactions to stimuli.
If you look at the following rubric:
MIND - DISOBEDIENCE - children, in
agar. agn. alum. cact. calc-p. CAPS. carc. Caust. Chin. cina colch. coloc.
dulc. fl-ac. hep. lyc. mag-m. MED. merc. moni. nit-ac. nux-v. p-benzq. phos.
PLB. sacch. Sang. sep. sil. spong. staph. stram. sulph. syph. TARENT. Tub.
Verat. vip.
Based on the remedies in this rubric, there is such a variance of possible
ways to be and causes of 'disobedience'. So, if using a rubric like this,
then on investigation it will become clear what kind of picture of
disobedience you are dealing with in this particular case.
I don't see how this could lead to suppression.
So, in my perception, all a remedy will do, is enable the child to step off
the merry-go-round and into the spiral. Where this takes them will be
interesting - and no response will be the same, however, I don't think it
could possibly be suppression if the remedy is homoeopathically prescribed.
Homoeopathic remedies don't work like sedatives in my opinion.
They balance - and therefore, any result that appears to be 'sedative', is
not the same as from a drug with that property. Remedies provide an opening
of a door, that was previously closed or only just ajar. Remedies provide
the opportunity to change the 'field' - a new vantage point - more options
than the previous map provided.
What comes from that balance could be cooperation or behaviour that appears
to be worse than first presented. Whatever, it will resolve in some way. We
cannot predict this with certainty. And i don't think we are expected to be
able to either. The remedy provides the impetus and the child and the
circumstances prevailing will lead to an outcome - one way or another.
In the same vein, I suppose, if you give a remedy and the child remains
'disobedient', it may also be possible that on investigation, that the
disobedience is 'different' than it was initially. This is a change and
maybe one for the better - it is all relative. Thus, that does not mean that
the remedy failed to act - all it means is that it failed to act in the way
'we' had hoped or preferred. Given some more time, maybe some more doses, or
a change in remedies to suit the progression of the case, may eventually
lead to a child appearing to be 'obedient'. As long as their creativity is
not squashed, and they are less reactionary and more responsive to
situations, then the treatment has been successful and instead of being
'obedient' they are merely adapting to the circumstance.
Best
Robyn
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