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[Joy Lucas]

Soroush, you wrote " There is no point in comparing LMs and C potencies
mathematically."

I write - why not?

I write - this is obvious if the remedy is seen to be working. I am talking
about repetition where there is no evidence of the remedy working. This
method is often used in low potency prescribing it would seem. Also there is
a contradiction between repeating LM's and C's and X's. H. wrote at length
about repeating LM's even if there was not evidence of the remedy working. I
want to know what the difference is - why did he change his mind about
repetition.

Joy Lucas

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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

I would do it by 'hand holding over the telephone' so she knows that she has
an access until crisis is over. I will gently educate her to understand the
concept of minimum dose and before every repetition she should consult me.

That has worked in the past and I see no reason why it won't continue to do
so.

I would start by LM01, 1 dose and wait and see what happened (she CONTINUES
TO TAKE ALL THE MEDICATION PRESCRIBED by her doctor). Depending on the
performance of the first dose and how she has felt, we will go up to second
dose and so on. If necessary, I would have her have acute remedies in case
she develops an acute attack of asthma (don't forget asthma KILLS).

As the remedy takes hold and she starts to improve, she will herself start
to very gradually reduce the dosage of allopathic drugs. My own view is that
her doctor should be kept in the picture.

Rgds
Soroush

[Dr. Jeff Feinman]

Hi Joy-

H. wrote at length

Could you site these references please?

Thanks.

Jeff
Dr. Jeff Feinman, CVH
Certified Veterinary Homeopath
Weston, CT, USA
Natural Pet Care info. at:
http://www.homevet.com

"The day shall come when the physician shall be prized as the preserver
rather than solely the restorer of health, and shall be consulted
respecting the means of preventing rather than solely of curing disease..."

Carroll Dunham, "The Science of Therapeutics", 1863

[Joy Lucas]

Organon - 246-286 generally but you will need an edition that cites
translations from the 6th as most of it appears in footnotes within the 5th
and 6th edition translated by Dudgeon.
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[Sara Klein Ridgley PhD]

Joy,

Have you considered giving placebo???

Especially in such cases, where the client is 'used' to taking lots of
drugs, I sometimes decide to give them a bottle of empty (neutral)
unmedicated pills...

Sara

[Dr. R. Swift]

Joy,

I agree. According to Roberts, Sac Lac is the second most important remedy.
It's value should not be underestimated especially in today's overmedicated
world.

russell swift,dvm

[Dr. Jeff Feinman]

>Organon - 246-286 generally but you will need an edition that cites

Yes, I know the section on case management of LMs well, but I still can't
see *anywhere* that he says to repeat the dose even if it is not acting.
On the contrary he says repeatedly *not* to repeat the dose especially
where there is progressive improvement and to *select a new remedy* if
there is no improvement (or accessory symptoms) because the remedy is *not
homeopathic* to the case.

Jeff
Dr. Jeff Feinman, CVH
Certified Veterinary Homeopath
Weston, CT, USA
Natural Pet Care info. at:
http://www.homevet.com

"The day shall come when the physician shall be prized as the preserver
rather than solely the restorer of health, and shall be consulted
respecting the means of preventing rather than solely of curing disease..."

Carroll Dunham, "The Science of Therapeutics", 1863

[Dave Hartley]

"why did he change his mind about repetition?"

The answer is in the 5th Organon, it is called Liquid Posology.

Even though the mathematical comparisons are not very useful.. (because, as
I wrote- you are leaving aside one of the two critical components of
potentization, THAT is why -but since you like them try this one:
One drop of remedy solution medicates about 1/2 dram of poppy-seed sized
granules (approximately #10 size)
One granule = one dry dose.
One granule, dissoved in +/- 4oz liquid = 8 tablespoons = (usually at least)
8 "doses" .. which have the potential of being further diluted (for more
sensitive individuals) into a "dilution cup" (or a Series of dilutions
even) -thus rendering "a dose" which could "mathematically" equate to the
square (or subsequent powers, for further dilution cups) of the relationship
between tablespoon and amount of water in remedy bottle/dilution cup, for
example with 4oz of liquid as the solvent for the original granule; one
tablespoon (1/8) is taken and placed in a cup with 4oz of water, the client
takes one tablespoon of that solution (although it could be a teaspoon, or
it could be a further dilution) -in this example, then, 1/8 multiplied by
1/8 means that the client is receiving approximately 1/64 of "dry dose."

I stress at this point that this mathematical "analysis" is not presumed by
me to be particularly accurate in terms of remedy action in an actual case
(inaccurate, rather) -it is just offered as food for thought.

regards.
Dave Hartley
http://www.localcomputermart.com
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284
Asheville Computer (N. Carolina) (828)285-0240

[Joy Lucas]

Stanza 246 has a lengthy rewrite in the 6th edition and there is also a
footnote to this where he writes about repetition.

Regards Joy>
From: "Dr. Jeff Feinman"
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[Dave Hartley]

Hi Joy,

This is a question which is very important.

First the slight change in your otherwise accurate definition of "as needed"
repetition:
With liquid posology, the desireable time at which to repeat is BEFORE the
remedy action is exhausted (consult your crystal ball? -in order to
"Speed the Cure, in 1/2, 1/3, or even 1/4 of the time" needed for dry dose
posology cure.

Repetition (when?) is a critical component of case management strategy with
liquid posology.

Proper case management requires us to be aware of the difference between
similar aggravation, dis-similar aggravation, and accessory symptom (which
may NOT be lumped into a blithe catch-all "healing crises" -but are distinct
from a True "healing crises.)

With liquid posology, proper case management also requires us to be able to
discern when "as needed" occurs.

Let me use a visual analogy:
Let us assume for the moment that the remedy's action could be viewed
graphically; let's say as a Bell Curve. With dry-dose posology, the remedy
action goes thru the entire up and down phase of the curve; is is then
permissible to re-dose.
This is NOT the case with liquid posology.
With liquid posology, it is desireable to re-dose somewhere in the upper
range of the declining (back) side of the curve; if our graphic example
started flat at zero and peaked at ten, we'd be aiming for around 7 or 8 as
time to redose. This is the "HOW" of "speeding the cure..."
Liquid posology speeds the cure by MAINTAINING the curative Momentum of the
remedy instead of requiring the momentum to drop back near-zero as with
dry-dose.

Again, this makes it critical for us to be able to immediately percieve
different types of aggravation -for review, see:
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... tions.html

I always, as part of my "chat" to inform the client on homeopathy, make
every effort to enlist the client's aid in observing one or more reliable
indicators that the remedy action is beginning to wane. I've found most
clients to be easily enlisted, glad to be empowered in their healing
journey, one which I generally stress as "between h/ir and their godz" -with
me there as witness & occasional interpretor of symptoms into "nature's
language" of homeopathic MM.

Routinism is pretty much anathema to homeopathy.
One who uses routine repetition, is Simply Not practicing the homeopathy of
Samuel Hahnemann, and should get out the Organon (or go borrow one, or read
online.)

If the homeopath feels the need to placate the client's routine expectation
of medicine, it is for this purpose that the godz & Samuel Hahnemann
invented placebo

regards,
Dave Hartley
http://www.localcomputermart.com
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284
Asheville Computer (N. Carolina) (828)285-0240