Minutus

Hi Sheleen

I sympathize with your experience and share your frustrations over the so called professionals in the medical system. We are all being gamed on a continual basis by these groups. Given your last comment on how locals treat their four legged friends it may not be too surprising your seeing the quality of vet care that you have experienced. It is so hard to find good quality compassionate medical treatment in a world seized in the grips chasing the Golden Idol at all costs.

All the Best in your pursuit

bob
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I'm so sorry. It is easier to search for information in the US National Library of Medicine than it is to google something. The address is:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
Research there is written in "scientificese" but any professional should be able to read and interpret it well.
I hope that helps you in future.
Gas anesthesia is not so wonderful either. It involves isofluorane gas, and the way it works is this:
When the gas is first given, it puts the animal into shock - lowering heart rate, breathing rate and body temperature.
Once the animal is opened up for surgery, AND there is "deep stimulation" inside the animal, this reverses the shock, bringing the animal out of shock. If there is NOT sufficient deep stimulation - as in minor procedures for example - then this kind of anesthetic can be lethal, as the initial shock is not overcome and the animal dies of shock within the next two days. So it is most useful for *major* surgery such as spay surgery. For procedures such as a thoracocentesis, with no true deep stimulation, the animal usually dies of shock (based on multiple cases I know of).
Problem: Most vets are trained in "how to use" isoflorane but so far it seems, not in how it *functions* chemically. Thus I frequently see death in a day or two from minor procedures using isofluorane gas.
In most non-gas anesthetic, ketamine is used but it is very toxic to carnivores. A FEW vets use a personal mixture of ketamine and another drug, which works more safely, but is considered "off label" in USA.
What I suggest to find a good veterinary surgeon for a tricky/risky surgery, especially as regards anesthesia, is to ask around for what vet has the best reputation for surgery on very old cats. OLD cats are very difficult to bring through anesthesia and surgery well, and many vets will refuse surgery on them. But ones that regularly do surgery on old cats will be your best bet for surgery in general. (Different vets are better at different aspects of the profession. Some are better at surgery, some are better diagnosticians etc - find out who is known for what.)
Sometimes even with the best help, things can go wrong

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

THANKS

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From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 20:42
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary
I'm so sorry. It is easier to search for information in the US National Library of Medicine than it is to google something. The address is:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
Research there is written in "scientificese" but any professional should be able to read and interpret it well.
I hope that helps you in future.
Gas anesthesia is not so wonderful either. It involves isofluorane gas, and the way it works is this:
When the gas is first given, it puts the animal into shock - lowering heart rate, breathing rate and body temperature.
Once the animal is opened up for surgery, AND there is "deep stimulation" inside the animal, this reverses the shock, bringing the animal out of shock. If there is NOT sufficient deep stimulation - as in minor procedures for example - then this kind of anesthetic can be lethal, as the initial shock is not overcome and the animal dies of shock within the next two days. So it is most useful for *major* surgery such as spay surgery. For procedures such as a thoracocentesis, with no true deep stimulation, the animal usually dies of shock (based on multiple cases I know of).
Problem: Most vets are trained in "how to use" isoflorane but so far it seems, not in how it *functions* chemically. Thus I frequently see death in a day or two from minor procedures using isofluorane gas.

In most non-gas anesthetic, ketamine is used but it is very toxic to carnivores. A FEW vets use a personal mixture of ketamine and another drug, which works more safely, but is considered "off label" in USA.
What I suggest to find a good veterinary surgeon for a tricky/risky surgery, especially as regards anesthesia, is to ask around for what vet has the best reputation for surgery on very old cats. OLD cats are very difficult to bring through anesthesia and surgery well, and many vets will refuse surgery on them. But ones that regularly do surgery on old cats will be your best bet for surgery in general. (Different vets are better at different aspects of the profession. Some are better at surgery, some are better diagnosticians etc - find out who is known for what.)

Sometimes even with the best help, things can go wrong

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Many thanks Bob

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From: Bob Needham
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 14:40
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary
Hi Sheleen

I sympathize with your experience and share your frustrations over the so called professionals in the medical system. We are all being gamed on a continual basis by these groups. Given your last comment on how locals treat their four legged friends it may not be too surprising your seeing the quality of vet care that you have experienced. It is so hard to find good quality compassionate medical treatment in a world seized in the grips chasing the Golden Idol at all costs.

All the Best in your pursuit

bob
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In a world that mechanizes everything, and turns health into a commodity, we can never expect anything
better. Unfortunately, that includes holistic practitioners who subscribe to the capitalist economic mode.
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From: Sheleen Hamilton
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:18 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary

Many thanks Bob
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From: Bob Needham
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 14:40
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary

Hi Sheleen
I sympathize with your experience and share your frustrations over the so called professionals in the medical system. We are all being gamed on a continual basis by these groups. Given your last comment on how locals treat their four legged friends it may not be too surprising your seeing the quality of vet care that you have experienced. It is so hard to find good quality compassionate medical treatment in a world seized in the grips chasing the Golden Idol at all costs.
All the Best in your pursuit
bob
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Yes, I have been trying to tell friends and family this but Im sure they think Im mad.

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From: tamarque
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 1:37
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary
In a world that mechanizes everything, and turns health into a commodity, we can never expect anything
better. Unfortunately, that includes holistic practitioners who subscribe to the capitalist economic mode.
t
From: Sheleen Hamilton
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:18 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary
Many thanks Bob
________________________________

From: Bob Needham
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 14:40
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary

Hi Sheleen
I sympathize with your experience and share your frustrations over the so called professionals in the medical system. We are all being gamed on a continual basis by these groups. Given your last comment on how locals treat their four legged friends it may not be too surprising your seeing the quality of vet care that you have experienced. It is so hard to find good quality compassionate medical treatment in a world seized in the grips chasing the Golden Idol at all costs.
All the Best in your pursuit
bob
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Join the club - it can be very frustrating when interacting with the public and family. However, to save my sanity and blood pressure, I came up with my 75/25 theorem that states:

If 100 people see an event happen, 75 people will not be really aware of what did happen, 20 others will recognize what happened, but have no idea what to do and 5 people will recognize what happened and but know what to do. Now Dr. Suzuki is somewhat more cynical than I on this subject - he states, if there are 4 people in a car that suddenly runs out of power on the freeway and coasts to a stop only 1 person is able to figure out what happened. It has run out of gas ! Unfortunately none of the 4 know what to do to get it stared. He may be more right than I.

This is why I have learned to accept that in this time and space a homeopathic practice only applies to 5% of the nation. Although I have accept this fact and do move on, it still bother me to think of how I could have helped that person. However, I beleive part of the healing experience comes from the belief system of the patient being on the same frequency of the healer.
Bob Needham
H.BSc. D.H.M.
For every progressive spirit
there will always be a thousand
mediocre minds to guard the past.
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Thanks for putting a smile on my face. This is quite funny but true. I am frustrated with myself because I dont know enough yet about Homeopathy! It is interesting how after years and years of reading and researching holistic medicines it all starts to make more sense but Im not there yet. It is also alarming when you talk to Gps (and specialist consultants) and vets and they have no idea what you are talking about. So imagine when all your family start exhibiting signs and symptoms and wont even try Homeopathy. I never really believed it it myself it was the only topic I didnt really care for. That was until I thought I will give it a try to see if it works. Well I stopped popping the painkillers for my neck pain very quickly indeed:) So now Im intrigued. I wish I had found this forum sooner. Thanks to all again for support and advice.
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From: Bob Needham
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 14:08
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tumor on Ovary
Join the club - it can be very frustrating when interacting with the public and family. However, to save my sanity and blood pressure, I came up with my 75/25 theorem that states:

If 100 people see an event happen, 75 people will not be really aware of what did happen, 20 others will recognize what happened, but have no idea what to do and 5 people will recognize what happened and but know what to do. Now Dr. Suzuki is somewhat more cynical than I on this subject - he states, if there are 4 people in a car that suddenly runs out of power on the freeway and coasts to a stop only 1 person is able to figure out what happened. It has run out of gas ! Unfortunately none of the 4 know what to do to get it stared. He may be more right than I.

This is why I have learned to accept that in this time and space a homeopathic practice only applies to 5% of the nation. Although I have accept this fact and do move on, it still bother me to think of how I could have helped that person. However, I beleive part of the healing experience comes from the belief system of the patient being on the same frequency of the healer.
Bob Needham
H.BSc. D.H.M.
For every progressive spirit
there will always be a thousand
mediocre minds to guard the past.
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Hey a smile is as good a medicine as laughter. Your right Sheleen - Gps and the group only know how to cut and give drugs. I too was sceptical about homeopathy coming from a conventional science background. But I was fortunate to be watching a TV program, "The Other Side" hosted by Will Miller. He covered many topics from the world of unconventional ideas and one day they were talking about homeopathy. Today I can't remember what was said exactly, but it hit me like a thunderbolt then; this is for me. That is when I started my studies and latter opened up a practice. The program "The Other Side" did not stay on the air long. My personal belief is that were ruffling too many feathers by exposing the truths which contradicted many of the foundations of our current established religions (MIller is a theology grad), Medicine etc. However, Miller did tell me in an e-mail it was their ratings that cancelled the show???? But like the old escape clause used by corporate America to cover themselves in a ticklish situation "Oh you must have misunderstood what I said", the rating thing could be another ploy. Whatever, I will always be in his debt for watching that show.

Even though I have my own belief in a fundament explanation of how homeopathy works I still step back after treatments and say to myself how did that little pill or drops really do all that much good.

bob
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