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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian

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Merck Manual would not know a true fact if they fell over it.
IN FIP disease for example, they recommend steroids - which research since 1998 shows to cause death within two days in this illness. And then we are supposed to wonder why ten million deaths in USA per year occur in the disease.
I still want to know why a DRUG company is in any way associated with medical mauals!
I suspect my edition from 1907 of Osler's textbook of medicine, has more truth.
(And it calls allergies a "neurosis of women")
:-)
Irene
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Irene de Villiers
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does not exist...was an artifact of old technology
never been disproved to be caused by the specific virus with known genes that does it
all wild ideas, not science or fact.

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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian

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Yeah, it's the opposite depending on the subject for Sheri :-)
It is this way:
Both viruses and mammlas and other animals - all species really - occasionally steal genes from each other. Sometimes they are beneficial.
There is ONE gene (theorized to come from the virus as the virus is seen in humans- recently discovered there - and it happes to have this one gene in common with us) that humans have maybe stolen from this defective retrovirus which currently lives in humans.
The common gene codes for syncytin protein. (Did we get the gene from them or vice versa? Hard to prove.)
But there is a lot to the placental non-rejection of a fetus, and this is not a significant part, though it does help with formation of a specific type of cell as one of very many no-rejection factors.
Ah, no, not really.
Mitochoondria have been around more than 1.45 billion years, which is a lot longer than man has been around, which is measured in millions not billions, and we clesrly acquired them as part of evolution from other life forms.
There are several theories of just how mitochondria got into action in eukaryotes originally (but WIkipedia acts like theirs it valis though I never saw theirs in a paper) - but mitochondria occurred in four diferent types way back before we came along. So they were there in our precursor beings. It's not like humans started without them and acquired them.
By the time we came along they were well established in ALL multicelled living forms, and we simply inherited them as part of evolution.
and so were all life forms (eukaryotes ones) billions of years ago:-)
The THEORY is that nulear and mitochidrial DNA were inherited separately.
Mitochondia only have about 12 protein coding genes among the 37 human mitochondrial genes - genes from whatever ancestor we descended from billions of years ago. There is a lot of other DNA in mitochondria however.... shared with the nucleus.
The Mitochondrial specific DNA is useful for the very reason that it originated billions of years ago and was just handed down through evolution.
You can then use it to trace back who/what species descended from what precursor species ;-)
It is extremely variable - wich akes it useful to determine relatedness - but very specific (through the maternal line.)
It's not that infective organisms were involved, it's that genes got swapped and shared here and there.

Namaste,
Irene

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pb000014
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I'm just saying, it's a medical reference that you would think would be followed by medical professionals, but they don't.
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Paul
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Roger B
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I am fascinated by this idea that Hahnemann was inerrant and all-knowing, and that everything that he had to say is applicable from generation to generation, from age to age. Please explain to me why this is good science.

Even if he were right 99 times in a row, that does not necessarily mean that a finite person with a limited lifespan is going to be right the 100th time. This sort of assumption of infallibility is called worship, not science.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 03:06:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian
Yeah, it's the opposite depending on the subject for Sheri :-)
It is this way:
Both viruses and mammlas and other animals - all species really - occasionally steal genes from each other. Sometimes they are beneficial.
There is ONE gene (theorized to come from the virus as the virus is seen in humans- recently discovered there - and it happes to have this one gene in common with us) that humans have maybe stolen from this defective retrovirus which currently lives in humans.
The common gene codes for syncytin protein. (Did we get the gene from them or vice versa? Hard to prove.)
But there is a lot to the placental non-rejection of a fetus, and this is not a significant part, though it does help with formation of a specific type of cell as one of very many no-rejection factors.
Ah, no, not really.
Mitochoondria have been around more than 1.45 billion years, which is a lot longer than man has been around, which is measured in millions not billions, and we clesrly acquired them as part of evolution from other life forms.
There are several theories of just how mitochondria got into action in eukaryotes originally (but WIkipedia acts like theirs it valis though I n=ever saw theirs in a paper) - but mitochondria occurred in four diferent types way back before we came along. So they were there in our precursor beings. It's not like humans started without them and acquired them.
By the time we came along they were well established in ALL multicelled living forms, and we simply inherited them as part of evolution.
and so were all life forms (eukaryotes ones) billions of years ago:-)
The THEORY is that nulear and mitochidrial DNA were inherited separately.
Mitochondia only have about 12 protein coding genes among the 37 human mitochondrial genes - genes from whatever ancestor we descended from billions of years ago. There is a lot of other DNA in mitochondria however.... shared with the nucleus.
The Mitochondrial specific DNA is useful for the very reason that it originated billions of years ago and was just handed down through evolution.
You can then use it to trace back who/what species descended from what precursor species ;-)
It is extremely variable - wich akes it useful to determine relatedness - but very specific (through the maternal line.)
It's not that infective organisms were involved, it's that genes got swapped and shared here and there.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


healthinfo6
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I am fascinated by this idea that Hahnemann was inerrant and all-knowing, and that everything that he had to say is applicable from generation to generation, from age to age. Please explain to me why this is good science.

Newton + Einstein + Hahnemann = GENIUS!
Susan


Roger B
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Re: Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian

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Yeah, I think that Hahnemann was definitely a genius, no question about that, almost like there was an angel whispering in his ear. But notice in your list of geniuses, Einstein corrected Newton on not just one point but on many points. This sort of makes my point. And Einstein couldn't handle quantum physics. Currently we have the situation where 99% of all mainstream physicists, probably all of whom are geniuses, are wrong about cold fusion. Science is never settled. "Settled science" is an oxymoron.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:37:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian
Newton + Einstein + Hahnemann = GENIUS!
Susan


healthinfo6
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And Einstein couldn't handle quantum physics.

You're in luck, Roger, here's some info from the Montreal Institute of Classical Homeopahy on Quantum Physics and Homeopathy.
MICH's founder started her career in physics which may explain the highly scientific feel to the website postings especially use of Quantum.
http://www.michmontreal.com/wp-content/ ... ummary.pdf
Steiner wrote of receiving info from other realms, whether Hahnemann had an angel on his shoulder or not depends on your belief system.
Susan


Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian

Post by Soroush Ebrahimi »

Dear John
Please go to http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/india- ... paralysis/

Then go to the 4th reference and click on it - you will get a PDF down load.
Also for more info pls see http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdc-an ... inish-line

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdc-an ... ine?page=2
Rgds

Soroush
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian
Soroush, thanks very much. This has broad implications! Could you please supply a URL for the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics report as well?
Cheers --
John
But these guys never give-up or learn!

Polio spreads largely through faeces-contamination. So personal hygiene is paramount in its control.

Polio in most people produces 'flu' type symptoms. In a minority it causes major complications such as paralysis.

And in Pakistan the vaccinated kids get polio which is worse than the 'wild' polio but the doctors call it something else.

• A recent paper published in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics found c. 47,500 cases of so-called non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP), a polio-like condition that is clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, linked to the oral polio vaccine.

• It’s also estimated that up to 180 Indian children develop vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year

And do not forget that polio is not contagious. If you look at old photos of polio wards the nurses and doctors do not have masks etc!

A remarkable thing with vaccine manufacturers is that with a new form of the vaccine they say it is ssafer Than the older version!

OH – So the older version was not so safe after all! And they knew!!

Soroush


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian

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Vaccinated kids will either get the manufactured recombitant polio virus with which they are vaccinated (live virus vaccine) , OR they will get damaged immune systems from that vaccine and be susceptibe to OTHER viruses in the polio group.
Either way the kids lose :-(

But it would be dishonest to say the recombitant one is not poliio. It is not wild polio but it is polio.

Namaste,
Irene

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