I have a patient whose blood is too thick. The effects are secondary and maybe I should not be emphasizing them in the case. I will briefly describe them. What do you think?
She has black spot (ecchymosis) on her leg from destruction of the saphenous vein (a medical mishap), but also her blood is too thick so she developes small blood clot lumps in her superficial and and deep blood veins in her leg. This is just made worse by allopathic destruction of this major vein.
I wonder if I can call these symptoms hyperemia? The legs dark spots look like the blood veins break. What is happening is something like a blood clot is forming. But, she has no history of stringy blood or menstrual difficulties.
She the black spot and the migraines from spasming of blood veins seem to be related to the allopathically investigated thick blood. In her head vein spasming is aggravated by flying in an airplane. Again, this is not something she feels. Instead she feels the normal symptoms of a spasmatic vein migrain. I think I just have to give up on a rubric for agg sudden change in airpressure. It not the same as ascending stairs or climbing mountains.
She has quite distinct panic attacks that bring on the symptoms of the migrains. That is much more expressive of the sensitive emotional state.
Ellen Madono
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Ellen Madono
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Secondary to what?
Has she been tested for polycythemia vera? All components of the blood are overproduced. One of the allopathic treatments is phlebotomy. Can be dangerous when a clot forms in a more vital part – like the heart. Not saying the head is not vital…
Sherill
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I have a patient whose blood is too thick. The effects are secondary and maybe I should not be emphasizing them in the case. I will briefly describe them. What do you think?
She has black spot (ecchymosis) on her leg from destruction of the saphenous vein (a medical mishap), but also her blood is too thick so she developes small blood clot lumps in her superficial and and deep blood veins in her leg. This is just made worse by allopathic destruction of this major vein.
I wonder if I can call these symptoms hyperemia? The legs dark spots look like the blood veins break. What is happening is something like a blood clot is forming. But, she has no history of stringy blood or menstrual difficulties.
She the black spot and the migraines from spasming of blood veins seem to be related to the allopathically investigated thick blood. In her head vein spasming is aggravated by flying in an airplane. Again, this is not something she feels. Instead she feels the normal symptoms of a spasmatic vein migrain. I think I just have to give up on a rubric for agg sudden change in airpressure. It not the same as ascending stairs or climbing mountains.
She has quite distinct panic attacks that bring on the symptoms of the migrains. That is much more expressive of the sensitive emotional state.
Ellen Madono
Has she been tested for polycythemia vera? All components of the blood are overproduced. One of the allopathic treatments is phlebotomy. Can be dangerous when a clot forms in a more vital part – like the heart. Not saying the head is not vital…
Sherill
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Subject: [Minutus] Secondary effects of thick blood- Rubric
I have a patient whose blood is too thick. The effects are secondary and maybe I should not be emphasizing them in the case. I will briefly describe them. What do you think?
She has black spot (ecchymosis) on her leg from destruction of the saphenous vein (a medical mishap), but also her blood is too thick so she developes small blood clot lumps in her superficial and and deep blood veins in her leg. This is just made worse by allopathic destruction of this major vein.
I wonder if I can call these symptoms hyperemia? The legs dark spots look like the blood veins break. What is happening is something like a blood clot is forming. But, she has no history of stringy blood or menstrual difficulties.
She the black spot and the migraines from spasming of blood veins seem to be related to the allopathically investigated thick blood. In her head vein spasming is aggravated by flying in an airplane. Again, this is not something she feels. Instead she feels the normal symptoms of a spasmatic vein migrain. I think I just have to give up on a rubric for agg sudden change in airpressure. It not the same as ascending stairs or climbing mountains.
She has quite distinct panic attacks that bring on the symptoms of the migrains. That is much more expressive of the sensitive emotional state.
Ellen Madono
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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What does "thick blood" mean?
Sherill is right with polycythemia vera as an option but....
- is she simply chronically dehydrated?
- does she have a coagulopathy?
- does she have a immune problem like cold agglutinins?
- is she taking any drugs that could cause an immune reaction leading to clotting?
- does she have a liver problem leading to an imbalance between coagulation and liquefaction?
- etc,....
You wrote she has been investigated, what are the results?
Different pathologies would lead to different approaches, different remedies, different strategies.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
Sherill is right with polycythemia vera as an option but....
- is she simply chronically dehydrated?
- does she have a coagulopathy?
- does she have a immune problem like cold agglutinins?
- is she taking any drugs that could cause an immune reaction leading to clotting?
- does she have a liver problem leading to an imbalance between coagulation and liquefaction?
- etc,....
You wrote she has been investigated, what are the results?
Different pathologies would lead to different approaches, different remedies, different strategies.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Ellen Madono
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Re: Secondary effects of thick blood- Rubric
Hi,
No Sherry, it is not polycythemia. She says she simply has "thick blood". I asked about too much fibrogen. No clear answer. She is Ph.d. acupuncturist so she is well acquainted with allopathy. I get the impression that there is no medical name for her condition. No meds. She said she heals very fast from any open wound. Also, dehydration, rapid changes in atmospheric pressure (in an airplane) all increase what looks like bruises (bleeding spots) beneath her skin on her legs (Where the saphenous vein was destroyed.) Taking no meds and has stayed away from them throughout her life. Migraines also increase under these circumstances.
She eats very little, but is quite heavy. Stress increases her weight without eating more. Seems very strong, hiking up mountains and working 3 jobs at age 64. Has been even more vigorous when younger.
I gave her Arnica because her migraines are at the place of a concussion (unconscious and 4 days in the hospital) at age 4 and the place where the migraines occur starting with the stress of parental divorce at age 11.
The saphenous vein destruction is another injury leading to a bruised aching feeling of her legs.
Also, the personality type seemed to match with overworking, ignoring of clear signs of stress because work is so important, and behavior that looks like escape. Panic attack where she only feels right at home. Can't go out. People are threatening. Tthe migraine symptoms occur anyway with any kind of stress but also characterize the panic attack.
Arnica has that thick blood/and coagulation quick rubric.
Blood; coagulation; quick:
ARN BELL calc CHAM CHIN chlol CROC FERR HYOS IGN IP kali-chl kali-cy kali-m kreos loxo-r MERC NIT-AC NUX-V PH-AC PLAT puls RHUS-T SABIN SEC SEP STRAM stront-c sul-ac sulph
Blood; thick:
agar ANTHR ARN asar bapt bov but-ac carb-v cham chin CROC CUPR dig ferr FERR-M fl-ac graph hed KALI-BI kali-n kreos LACH laur LEPT lil-t mag-c mag-s MERC NUX-M NUX-V op PLAT PULS rhus-t sec sep sulph tril
Also, Dimitriadis's editing of the Boenninghausen rep came out for Arnica.
I am thinking the thick blood is primary and the migraine symptoms are "secondary" to that.
The lump in the leg is also "secondary" to thick blood. That may be my opinion and not supported by allopathy. I don't know. It is interesting that she quickly draws away from even being touched in the area of the lump. The 1/2 inch lump is on the surface and there are many smaller ones that she feels deeper in the leg. The saphenous vein was mistakenly destroyed in an effort to prevent the lumps by destroying smaller veins. Clearly they are a circulatory problem. The idea was the weak lump forming veins would grow back as stronger ones.
Extremely sensitive in all ways. Many allergic symptoms. Ugliness "hurts".
She is afraid of swimming in lakes with big boulders in them. She also swims so far from land that is dangerous. Seems like a polarity symptom. Fear of drowning or something similar but creates a situation where she might drown. Always pushing the limits of what is possible. What Mangialavori would call a "decompensated state" when she fears drowning and a successfully "compensated state" when she is doing all sorts of very daring activities requiring extreme levels of exertion and testing the limits of safety.
All that makes me think of arnica.
Best,
Ellen
No Sherry, it is not polycythemia. She says she simply has "thick blood". I asked about too much fibrogen. No clear answer. She is Ph.d. acupuncturist so she is well acquainted with allopathy. I get the impression that there is no medical name for her condition. No meds. She said she heals very fast from any open wound. Also, dehydration, rapid changes in atmospheric pressure (in an airplane) all increase what looks like bruises (bleeding spots) beneath her skin on her legs (Where the saphenous vein was destroyed.) Taking no meds and has stayed away from them throughout her life. Migraines also increase under these circumstances.
She eats very little, but is quite heavy. Stress increases her weight without eating more. Seems very strong, hiking up mountains and working 3 jobs at age 64. Has been even more vigorous when younger.
I gave her Arnica because her migraines are at the place of a concussion (unconscious and 4 days in the hospital) at age 4 and the place where the migraines occur starting with the stress of parental divorce at age 11.
The saphenous vein destruction is another injury leading to a bruised aching feeling of her legs.
Also, the personality type seemed to match with overworking, ignoring of clear signs of stress because work is so important, and behavior that looks like escape. Panic attack where she only feels right at home. Can't go out. People are threatening. Tthe migraine symptoms occur anyway with any kind of stress but also characterize the panic attack.
Arnica has that thick blood/and coagulation quick rubric.
Blood; coagulation; quick:
ARN BELL calc CHAM CHIN chlol CROC FERR HYOS IGN IP kali-chl kali-cy kali-m kreos loxo-r MERC NIT-AC NUX-V PH-AC PLAT puls RHUS-T SABIN SEC SEP STRAM stront-c sul-ac sulph
Blood; thick:
agar ANTHR ARN asar bapt bov but-ac carb-v cham chin CROC CUPR dig ferr FERR-M fl-ac graph hed KALI-BI kali-n kreos LACH laur LEPT lil-t mag-c mag-s MERC NUX-M NUX-V op PLAT PULS rhus-t sec sep sulph tril
Also, Dimitriadis's editing of the Boenninghausen rep came out for Arnica.
I am thinking the thick blood is primary and the migraine symptoms are "secondary" to that.
The lump in the leg is also "secondary" to thick blood. That may be my opinion and not supported by allopathy. I don't know. It is interesting that she quickly draws away from even being touched in the area of the lump. The 1/2 inch lump is on the surface and there are many smaller ones that she feels deeper in the leg. The saphenous vein was mistakenly destroyed in an effort to prevent the lumps by destroying smaller veins. Clearly they are a circulatory problem. The idea was the weak lump forming veins would grow back as stronger ones.
Extremely sensitive in all ways. Many allergic symptoms. Ugliness "hurts".
She is afraid of swimming in lakes with big boulders in them. She also swims so far from land that is dangerous. Seems like a polarity symptom. Fear of drowning or something similar but creates a situation where she might drown. Always pushing the limits of what is possible. What Mangialavori would call a "decompensated state" when she fears drowning and a successfully "compensated state" when she is doing all sorts of very daring activities requiring extreme levels of exertion and testing the limits of safety.
All that makes me think of arnica.
Best,
Ellen
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healthinfo6
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I have high fibrinogen, likely due to high blood glucose and found this product helpful to lower blood fibrinogen levels.
You can buy the ingredients cheaper separately, Nattokinase and Pine Bark Extract of which this product uses a New Zealand one, most popular is the French one.
http://www.lifeextension.com/Vitamins-S ... attokinase
While it only treats symptoms, could be helpful until finding a similimum.
Pine Bark can help circulation besides being an antioxidant.
Susan
You can buy the ingredients cheaper separately, Nattokinase and Pine Bark Extract of which this product uses a New Zealand one, most popular is the French one.
http://www.lifeextension.com/Vitamins-S ... attokinase
While it only treats symptoms, could be helpful until finding a similimum.
Pine Bark can help circulation besides being an antioxidant.
Susan