Weaning off medicines - Was BOWEL NOSODES

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

How to wean someone of BP or epilepsy etc drugs as taught by Sheilagh Creasy:
Tablet:

Use a clean and new metallic nail file and keep for this purpose only.

For the first dose of the medicine the patient is being weaned off, scrape the tablet 1 time against the whole length of the file.

For the second dose, do it 2 x and cumulatively for each dose.
I modified the above to cope with Liquids:

Use graduated syringe related to the size of the dose currently being taken. Eg a 5 ml syringe if the dose is 5 ml.

And then reduce cumulatively by 0.1 of a ml at each dose.
The changes caused by the above protocol would be so slow that the body easily copes with it and your LM (Q) doses of the homeopathic remedy should be able to bring about a good response from the patient.
Capsule - It would be difficult to manage and would need to see if they come in lower doses and take time between each step.
Note: Either the homeopath or the patient should advise the physician who prescribed the medicine as what is being done.
Rgds

Soroush
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Sent: 30 July 2015 22:36
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] BOWEL NOSODES
Hi Bob,
I don't know of any protocol useful across the board for weaning someone from BP meds. I should think it would depend a lot on whether the hypertension is physiological (i.e., a compensatory mechanism for, say, failing kidneys) or pathological.
Then one would have to consider what else is going on with the cardiovascular system -- does the Px have angina, coronary artery disease, valvular problems, etc.? If nothing else is going on, a good constitutional remedy should do wonders.
It would be interesting to find out why Atenolol was prescribed and what was going on in the Px's life when he developed hypertension. Also would be good to know if his cardiologist or GP is monitoring him carefully. If he is developing heart rate issues, another beta-blocker, like Diovan, might be a better prescription than Atenolol.
As with cancer, a lot of heart-related problems can be handled with major lifestyle/diet changes.
Peace,

Dale

[Bob Needham]

Hi Soroush

Greatly Appreciate this information.
I did mention a weaning off the drug to the patient, but was told in no way. As I have said to Dale, it often so hard to get folks to change their lifestyle. Anyway I now have the tools to work with and we'll see what the future brings.

Many tks
bob

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I have used this method many times with some adaptations:

1. warn the patient to file the tablet every time with the same intensity and especially not use excessive force: one of my patients really crushed the tablet with the file and was "weaned" in 3 days..........fortunately, no complications. Also tell them to thoroughly clean the file between the actions, otherwise the retained drug will modify the rhythm.

2. liquids: not everybody has access to a syringe and it can be tricky to be precise: I ask the to dilute the content in a glass of water, remove one teaspoon, drink the glass; next day remove 2 tsp, then 3, a.s.o until the glass is empty.

3. capsules: either the contents is water soluble and method 2 can be used, or it is a powdery insoluble content, in
which case they make "lines" or dots of equal volume, discard 1 dot, take the rest, then 2, 3 etc, as above.

Works well, no withdrawals, needs patience.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Bob Needham]

Tks Joe Simple and Effective

Bob

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Joe
Re Capsules - My understanding is that the capsule is designed to open at the appropriate section of the gut for correct delivery and absorption.

By opening the capsule as you suggest, isn't this aspect of the delivery design lost?

Rgds

Soroush
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Sent: 01 August 2015 00:03
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: Weaning off medicines - Was BOWEL NOSODES
I have used this method many times with some adaptations:

1. warn the patient to file the tablet every time with the same intensity and especially not use excessive force: one of my patients really crushed the tablet with the file and was "weaned" in 3 days..........fortunately, no complications. Also tell them to thoroughly clean the file between the actions, otherwise the retained drug will modify the rhythm.

2. liquids: not everybody has access to a syringe and it can be tricky to be precise: I ask the to dilute the content in a glass of water, remove one teaspoon, drink the glass; next day remove 2 tsp, then 3, a.s.o until the glass is empty.

3. capsules: either the contents is water soluble and method 2 can be used, or it is a powdery insoluble content, in
which case they make "lines" or dots of equal volume, discard 1 dot, take the rest, then 2, 3 etc, as above.

Works well, no withdrawals, needs patience.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

It depends.

It should be labelled with the information that this formulation/presentation IS made for bypassing the gastric acidity and be released in the small intestine. Some tablets are also "slow release", made of different layers that are released at different parts of the gut where different enzymes are more active.

In theory you are right as swallowing a drug that is inactivated in the stomach would mean no drug at all....but for one, so far I have not seen any problem with that, which can also mean that should the patient have decided to stop "cold turkey" it would not have made a difference.

Maybe all that filing and diluting is just a psychological tool to make the patient feel safe, who really knows. And it is certainly something that makes the practitioner feel safe, which is definitely important IMO.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Irene de Villiers]

Capsules intended to pass through the stomach unopened, can not be opened by hand, simply by separateing the two capsule parts. They are very well sealed closed by somethig like Eudragit which resists stomach acid, and which coats the entire capsule so no join shows.
If the capsle CAN be opened by separarating the two halves, it will work fine for reducing doses of something..... You can open, remove some, and close again, or else swallow the contents without the capsule (as I do with my potasssium doses of "5 and a half caps" per dose).

Namaste,
Irene

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