Bought

[Roger B]

The film "Bought" did not go nearly far enough. It focused on the more obvious and egregious problems with the medical-pharmaceutical-food complex.

It did not focus on the philosophical problems with modern medicine, like the fact that they only deal with symptoms.

Upon asking if there was a way to improve the healing ability of my wife with regard to her recurrent urinary tract infections, some nurse in Marin County, California, abusively said to me: "What do you want, a miracle?!?".

Modern medicine suffers from chronic arrogance. Some of the results of this is that they don't listen to patients, they try their best to slam any other healing modality, they won't listen to ideas about holism vs. reductionism, they think that they have a monopoly on truth, they think that evidence based medicine is the only way, and if you disagree with them, they will put you down and be abusive.

The community of medical doctors live in an echo chamber; they mostly only listen to each other and to the pharmaceutical companies who sponsor their various activities.

Other people may put them on a pedestal. I consider that being a medical doctor is a huge risk factor for being wisdom deficient and just plain stupid.

I could go on and on.

Roger Bird

[Carol Orr]

"Other people may put them on a pedestal. I consider that being a medical
doctor is a huge risk factor for being wisdom deficient and just plain
stupid." (Roger)

There are people in my parent's generation who adore their doctors. There are
people in my generation who adore their doctors. Though I can be a
blabbermouth on my favorite subjects I 've learned not to broach the subject
of homeopathy with certain people . It is like trying to get a Catholic to
hear the rundown on being a Presbyterian. Or telling a Muslim the joy of being
a Buddhist. Isn't there something in the bible about not messing with other
people's faith. And it is sometimes faith that keeps people going through
their adoration of doctors. I remember reading something years ago about
Atlantis...maybe by Edgar Cayce, maybe not, that the Atlantans predominant
healing was what we consider alternative methods today and they marginalized
those who practiced a more 3 dimensional medicine. I'm also reminded of when
our world symbolically left the world of Merlin and Avalon to give over to the
laws of man and the later killing of millions of witches in Europe for their
intuitive knowledge. There is a season, turn turn turn....and it just ain't
our season quite yet.

[Carol Orr]

Having said that....I have a friend whose 20 year old son has swollen adrenal
glands and who occasionally gets a swollen and hardened veins on the left side
of his chest. His first doctor appt two days ago said there was a cartilage
flap in the heart that wasn't opening and closing properly. I know so little
about what doctors do know and if this is a matter of necessary surgery or
not...I have no idea...but some doctors know these things. There are
emotional factors involved...panic attacks now and then...but they may be
related to something the heart is doing and it may be a mechanical thing. If
the family doesn't have money for homeopath..but has medical insurance..they
have to rely on that and in this case it would not be a good idea to make a
general statement that all doctors are stupid.

But I get the general drift of what you have said, Roger, as I'm sure all of
us have, and I just wanted to balance what you said about doctors.

[Tanya Marquette]

There have always been conflicts of culture, conflicts of religion being a big one.
But most conflicts are always about money, power and control.

The Inquisition, a pretty brutal power play went after those practicing wicca and the women
spiritual leaders and midwives. It also went after the ruling classes that would not kowtow to the
Catholic Church.

Today we have the results of that historic trajectory in Capitalism, neo-conservatism, global hegemoney
by corporate controlled interests. There will be no turn unless this system is dismantled.

Our struggle for survival is becoming dire, so there is no waiting.

t

[Angela McGuire]

Sounds like a valve problem. Can lead to heart failure and stroke. He needs to pay attention to it. Hopefully it is not a valve problem. Is he on blood thinners?

Angie

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[Roger B]

Most of what I mean is not about what doctors know per se. I am sure that they know vastly more than I do. The problem with them is their philosophy and attitudes, the thoughts and feelings that are behind and more fundamental than their knowledge.

And sometimes, many times, symptoms can kill a person. So they have to be dealt with via the medical paradigm. So us homeopathically enlightened people give medical doctors their due, but doctors don't, won't, and can't give us our due.

But the thing is, the public is no wiser than the doctors. The doctors are supposed to be wiser than the public, but they are all, doctors and public, a bunch of philosophical retards. As long as healing is such a big money maker, capitalism and all that, medicine will pander to the philosophical retardation of the public.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:56:31 -0600
Subject: [Minutus] Re: "Bought"

Having said that....I have a friend whose 20 year old son has swollen adrenal
glands and who occasionally gets a swollen and hardened veins on the left side
of his chest. His first doctor appt two days ago said there was a cartilage
flap in the heart that wasn't opening and closing properly. I know so little
about what doctors do know and if this is a matter of necessary surgery or
not...I have no idea...but some doctors know these things. There are
emotional factors involved...panic attacks now and then...but they may be
related to something the heart is doing and it may be a mechanical thing. If
the family doesn't have money for homeopath..but has medical insurance..they
have to rely on that and in this case it would not be a good idea to make a
general statement that all doctors are stupid.

But I get the general drift of what you have said, Roger, as I'm sure all of
us have, and I just wanted to balance what you said about doctors.

[Roger B]

IMHO, the immanent emergence of cold fusion will be the material start of the New Age.

Roger Bird
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:40:32 -0600
Subject: [Minutus] Re: "Bought"

"Other people may put them on a pedestal. I consider that being a medical
doctor is a huge risk factor for being wisdom deficient and just plain
stupid." (Roger)

There are people in my parent's generation who adore their doctors. There are
people in my generation who adore their doctors. Though I can be a
blabbermouth on my favorite subjects I 've learned not to broach the subject
of homeopathy with certain people . It is like trying to get a Catholic to
hear the rundown on being a Presbyterian. Or telling a Muslim the joy of being
a Buddhist. Isn't there something in the bible about not messing with other
people's faith. And it is sometimes faith that keeps people going through
their adoration of doctors. I remember reading something years ago about
Atlantis...maybe by Edgar Cayce, maybe not, that the Atlantans predominant
healing was what we consider alternative methods today and they marginalized
those who practiced a more 3 dimensional medicine. I'm also reminded of when
our world symbolically left the world of Merlin and Avalon to give over to the
laws of man and the later killing of millions of witches in Europe for their
intuitive knowledge. There is a season, turn turn turn....and it just ain't
our season quite yet.

[Victoria Mashevsky]

Advance apologies to those who liked the movie. I've "contributed" to it when it was in the process of being made so I got to see the final version just as it was released and frankly, did not think that I made a wise "investment". Very run-of-the-mill "look as what they are doing to us" movie. Preaching to the choir. Not something I would recommend to those on the fence about alternative healthcare, let alone to someone who worships conventional ways. Sorry I did not want to bash it, maybe my standards are off, but I honestly think we need better quality film-making to get our points across.

V

[Hennie Duits]

Agreed. Also, I'd say it is pretty much/solely based on the US state of
affairs, and it will be judged as such in other parts of the world.
Waiting/hoping for a more infuriating Bought Part 2.

Hennie

Victoria M-Sky skyhomeopathy@gmail.com [minutus] schreef op 23-2-2015 om
2:01:

[Roger B]

"a more infuriating Bought Part 2". LOL. I thought that the movie was VERY infuriating. But also infuriating was the attitude of the film makers that medical doctors are a bunch of really good guys who are being misguided and if only the truth would come out all of the medical doctors would be on our side. That just ain't going to happen until there is a significant increase in our vision to understand that materialistic, reductionistic science is only one legitimate way of knowing.

I just started dissolving my turmeric in olive oil. I KNOW that it is a major improvement in my fight with inflammation over not dissolving my turmeric. But I can't prove it using scientific means because I cannot afford such a test and I really don't want to be bothered with such a test. But I KNOW it to be so. I am not going to wait 40 years for American scientists catch up. But hardcore skeptics would tell you that my knowing is not legitimate because it is not "scientific".

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 03:30:41 +0100
Subject: Re: [Minutus] "Bought"

Agreed. Also, I'd say it is pretty much/solely based on the US state of
affairs, and it will be judged as such in other parts of the world.
Waiting/hoping for a more infuriating Bought Part 2.

Hennie

Victoria M-Sky skyhomeopathy@gmail.com [minutus] schreef op 23-2-2015 om
2:01: