MMS Aftertaste - Looking for Chlorine Dioxide Potency

[shay.oneil]

Hi all, I fumigated my room with MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement), which created fumes of chlorine dioxide. I accidentally drank water from a glass that had been sitting in the room. This caused a metallic aftertaste on my tongue and mouth, which is still present a week later.

I'm thinking of trying the chlorine dioxide remedy if this doesn't get better. Any advice on which potency to try?

Thanks,
Shay

[Roger B]

I did MMS for a many months off and on. I won't do it again. It is not paleo. It is way too harsh. I am not say that it doesn't work, and may be very necessary for serious cases. But I was just another hobbyist trying to be healthy or healthier.

I might do it if I had a serious disease. I didn't need it to get over my seriously pinched nerve.

Roger Bird
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:38:49 -0800
Subject: [Minutus] MMS Aftertaste - Looking for Chlorine Dioxide Potency

Hi all, I fumigated my room with MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement), which created fumes of chlorine dioxide. I accidentally drank water from a glass that had been sitting in the room. This caused a metallic aftertaste on my tongue and mouth, which is still present a week later.

I'm thinking of trying the chlorine dioxide remedy if this doesn't get better. Any advice on which potency to try?

Thanks,
Shay

[Irene de Villiers]

I am sorry you got poisoned. Learning the hard way:-(

I hope you quickly disposed of this terrible "miracle you can survive it" hype stuff.
It is a toxic solution of 28% sodium chlorite which anyone in their right mind will RUN from - FAST.

[There is good reason that we use ANTI-oxdidants (not strong oxidants) to get healthier.
Why do people believe all the the hyped up junk out there ]
The chlorine makes hypochlorous acid in your body which is extremely poisonous and hydrochloric acid also very poisonous (anywhere but the stomach). They do serious body damage to organs by changing the pH to be very acidic.
The faster you antidote the less body damage you will have.

I would look for medical advice for this poisoning from a poison center first and see what they say.
There are IV treatments.

Not sure if homeopathy would detox it fast or well enough - could try that also.

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

Recently I used it for a few months to brush my teeth with, and it was *fabulous*. 3 drops of each, swirl them together for about 20-30 seconds, try not to mind the chlorine smell too much. Then add 4 oz water, rinse mouth, then use to brush teeth for a couple of minutes. Wow, it's worked WAY better than the previous two years of electric toothbrush plus water flosser. Teeth have begun to re-mineralize, and gums to re-grow -- neither of which was happening after two years of the other. I stopped because mouth isn't bothering me any more, but I keep thinking I should give it more time before I get complacent.

Fumigating with it sounds intense! But I'm wondering why drinking the water would have been a problem; not saying that it *wouldn't*, I don't know -- am interested.
Shannon
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

You have got guts to do that......chlorine is carcinogenic (on top of a respiratory irritant and other niceties).

Swimmers in chlorinated pools have been shown to develop bladder cancer quite often, compared to non-swimmers; of course this is more chronic, constant and repetitive exposure, but still.....when I come back from a swim, all too infrequently as I love it, I immediately load myself with 5 grams of vitamin C.
I regular times that would send me to the loo within a few hours; after a swim, nothing, clearly showing that it is used to neutralise the effects of chlorine.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Shannon Nelson]

It's used highly diluted, and when mixed with the acidifier, forms entirely different compounds. I forget the details, tho.
Okay, this is a point I have been interested in. Here's an explanation that finally made sense to me.
We need both oxidation *and* anti-oxidants, since oxidation runs our energy cycles. But we need it to occur in some places (where we want the "fire" to burn), but not to occur in others -- like keeping the fire in the fireplace, stove, oven, cigarette -- and *not* in the couch, ceiling, etc.

In the case of this stuff, I gather the mechanisms and effects can vary, according to how it's used (topical or ingested; and mixed with acidifier, or not). I've only read a little, got it in my mental "worth reading more about" file. (And also in my "works great on teeth!" file.)
Almost all of the uses I've read about for it, involve first mixing it with an acidifier -- which results in the chlorine coming off as a gas -- and then diluting very heavily. What remains is not all that acid; my tooth solution has roughly the tang of diluted lemonade.

Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Well, the smell isn't all that strong, and I'm using it only for a couple of minutes, once a day. Much less objectionable to me than swimming pools -- which I regretfully swore off of decades ago, but I just can't deal with the chlorine.

Oh, another chlorine tip -- I recently learned that chloramine, which many cities now use instead of the "regular" chlorine, can be inactivated with very small amounts of vitamin C. E..g about 1 gram / 1/4 tsp of ascorbic acid entirely takes the smell out of a bathtub full of stinky city water! Ahhhhh….

And -- how interesting that the chlorine has soaked into your *body* enough to soak up that much C! Next time I am desperate to swim, I'll try megadosing C afterwards and see if it makes it tolerable. (Though I'd *rather* dump a bottle into the pool before getting into it, oh well.)
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

For the sake of argumentation....you are using it on the buccal mucosa, which has a very high power of absorption, so to me, the concern here is not the "small" amount, but the repetitive ingestion and the cumulative repetition of harm that can be done each time, even if it is minimal.

It is like scratching a wound: you scratch it once, nothing will happen, you scratch it many times, when the wound is finally healed, you end up with an ugly scar....or drinking fluorinated water occasionally when I travel...no fuss, I am not going to die suddenly after a glass of water, but if I do that for a few years......

That is what is ridiculous in the claims of "minimal exposure/allowed dose": yes they are not dangerous....once or twice, or a few times in your lifetime....constant minimal "tolerable" exposure ends up in catastrophe.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Leilanae]

Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide (CI02) is an ingredient in some toothpaste and mouthwash.

It might be a "replacement" for alcohol????

Atb,

Leilanae

[Shannon Nelson]

Well, that's an interesting point, and I won't dismiss it. And yet… It *bothers* me far less than e.g. bathing in chlorinated city water (even briefly); and one would have to weigh that possible burden, against the certain burden caused by receding gums and decaying teeth -- both of which I have been battling. The teeth for my entire life, and the gums only for some years, but they had started to give problems.

Fluoridated water -- that is a burden I have been sadly unable to figure out how to eliminate when I'm in the city. I haven't yet got hold of a filter that will take it out, tho I understand there now are some on the market. Anyone have a fix for that?

Sometimes there is a question of trade-offs, and I do appreciate expanding my understanding of just what those might be. (But I'm still going to keep using it on my teeth off-and-on, because I do not like dental work!!!!)
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