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John R. Benneth
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SECRET CHEMISTRY OF HOMEOPATHY EXPOSED

Post by John R. Benneth »

Friends,

My forehead is red from slapping it. I read the essay on molecular dissociation, "The Scientific Reasonableness of Homeopathy" by Royal S. Copeland, A.M., M.D. http://www.homeowatch.org/history/copeland.html about a year past but its profundity didn't start to burn in until around a month ago when I discovered that in ionic dissociation of the solute in water, it is a well known fact of classical chemistry that the properties of the solute remain in infinite dilution of the solvent. (Google "infinite dilution" and you'll find 1000's of articles referring to it.)
Since then I've been sitting here in what might as well be stunned silence. I've read as much as I can on constant dissociation and infinite dilution and they seem to be holding up as the chemical principles of homeopathy.
The aspect I'm struggling with is just that, that infinite dilution is a well known if not prosaic principle of chemistry. Why hasn't anyone said anything about the chemical principle of infinite dilution applying to homeopathy in over 100 years? And how do we break this to the fraternity and the skeptics?
Here we've been getting scoffed at and ridiculed, kicked around and shunned because there's not supposed to be a chemical explanation of homeopathy, when in fact there's been one lying around for over 100 years, supported by modern chemistry. There's even a NIST test equation for it! But with the exception of Copeland I have yet to find any mention of its connection to homeopathy in the literature. Besides the assays Copeland notes, molecular dissociation and ionization of the solute explain Chikramane's TEM.
Is this the missing piece in the structural dynamics of water?
Your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
June 6th, 2015
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Post by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD »

I will have to take the time to read it properly, but a cursory one tells me (but I might be wrong) that this is nothing but the clathrate theory explained before the clusters/clathrates were known.

Indeed there is no mystery in the workings of homeopathy.

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Bob Needham
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In addition, I have also read that a decade or two ago physics found that the agitation (shaking) of a solute would increase the bonding energies of the dissociated particles. Unfortunately I never recorded that source; but if so, then that helps also to explain the potentization process.

Oh by the way, a cure for a red forehead is to stop slapping it. ; > )
Bob


John R. Benneth
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Although it doesn't negate or replace it, this isn't clathrate, hydrate or h-bond structural theory. It's a recognized principal of electrochemistry called "infinite dilution" meaning particles in aqueous suspension, when repeatedly diluted will continue to split into more particles until they reach the concentration of the first aliquot to achieve complete ionization of the solute, which Copeland's reference predicts is 6X.
One description of this known process in chemistry of "infinite dilution" likens it to science fiction.
No one since Copeland appears to have connected the dots.
Copeland notes tests for ion concentration.
John
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There is what is called enthalpy, a change in temperature due to dissociation. Some materials will increase heat, others decrease it in dilution. It was while studying enthalpy that I first came across the term "infinite dilution." and thought "wait a minute, what's this?" because according to skeptics, there should be no such term. And so I don't think my forehead will have been as red as some faces will be when confronted with demonstrable science . . although physicist Robert Park does indeed make mention of what appears to be an attempt of pre-emptive dismissal of it in regards to homeopathy, but without explanation either way..
John
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Bob

Thanx for the belly laugh you just gave me. If the truth were any bigger it would bite you.

t


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John

The powers that be will deny reality without any need for explanation. That is the it means to be
a power—no need for reality.

t


Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Post by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD »

I need a new rubric: Head, pain, pulsating, caused by JR Benneth..........

Searched with Google Scholar: 190,000 references, all of them form chemistry and physics....tried to read about a dozen that seemed understandable....totally lost

Searched with regular Google: 350,000 references, the only ones I could understand (apparently) were from our enemy Wikipedia....

So far I cannot link it to homeopathy (sorry) except for the fact that indeed, no matter how much water is added, how high a dilution is, there will always be a remnant of activity of the solute. It does not take succussion into account....I saved a few papers to read another day...now I need to potentise John's email to stop that headache...............

Joe.

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John R. Benneth
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Post by John R. Benneth »

Sorry about the head pounding, Joe, you might want to try Glonoium. But as I said before, the link to homeopathy with ionization by aqueous dilution is Copeland's who in his description refers to "infinite dilution."
I think a dose of potentized Op. would work better.
Copeland on the dissociation of molecules:
In other words, Avogadro doesn't debunk homeopathy, LOL!. According to Professor Jones of Johns Hopkins, the molecular limit is not at the 23rd decimal dilution (23X) but much earlier, at the sixth (6X). The molecular limit is not due to dilution, it's due to ionization: the molecular solute is not diluted out, it's ionized! It's completely turned into plasma! by the sixth dildution
Here Copeland is using an aclnowledged term in chemistry to describe the principle behind dilution . .
Here gives four tests by which to physically identify a homeopathic remedy in solution.
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Irene de Villiers
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Post by Irene de Villiers »

No it doesn't.
Remedies with covalent bonds also get potentizesd. There are no ions to dissociate there.
.....Irene

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