HORRENDOUS hub bub about measles in US right now

Irene de Villiers · Post by **Irene de Villiers** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:02 am

I have been trying to find it.
It used to be in the PubMed online files - namrly the Natiopnal Library of Medicine.
But I see that all the files from that time have been removed. The oldest files currently on line are about 1970.

That effectively hides all the valuable resdearch from the 1950s and 60s which included most of the nutrient research and also the early extensive immunology research (before vaccinations were such a powerful moneymaker)............. and finding anything without a search engine is about impossible to try to find the records by hand in a library.
I do not have a record in my own files, having made the incorrect assumption that I could always find it easily at PubMed.

S0 I am not sure how to find the information.
Does anyone here have access to old journals of immunology for example?

Namaste,
Irene
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Roger B · Post by **Roger B** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:58 pm

Never underestimate how scummy people can be who fancy that they have a monopoly on truth OR they have a monopoly on how to know the truth. I hope that homeopath people learn from this and start collecting in paper form and on their own websites all of this kind of pro-homeopathy research.

Roger Bird
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: HORRENDOUS hub bub about measles in US right now
I have been trying to find it.
It used to be in the PubMed online files - namrly the Natiopnal Library of Medicine.
But I see that all the files from that time have been removed. The oldest files currently on line are about 1970.

That effectively hides all the valuable resdearch from the 1950s and 60s which included most of the nutrient research and also the early extensive immunology research (before vaccinations were such a powerful moneymaker)............. and finding anything without a search engine is about impossible to try to find the records by hand in a library.
I do not have a record in my own files, having made the incorrect assumption that I could always find it easily at PubMed.

S0 I am not sure how to find the information.
Does anyone here have access to old journals of immunology for example?

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Sherill · Post by **Sherill** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:13 pm

In a Bing search I found some references. Not sure if this helps or not. Article found at http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/12239188/7 ... update.pdf
The research in the field of cytokines began as early as in the

1950s with the identification of some of the factors like

‘endogenous pyrogen’ [now also known as interleukin-1 (IL-1)]

(Bennett and Beeson, 1953),
Bennett, I.L., Beeson, P.B., 1953. Studies on the pathogenesis of fever, II:

characterization of fever producing substances from polymorphonuclear

leukocytes and from the fluid of sterile exudates. J. Exp. Med. 98, 493–508.
nerve growth factor (Levi-Montalcini and Hamburger, 1953)
Levi-Montalcini, R., Hamburger, V., 1953. A diffusible agent of mouse sarcoma

producing hyperplasia of sympathetic ganglia and hyperneurotization of

viscera in the chick embryo. J. Exp. Zool. 123, 233–288.
and interferon (Isaacs and Lindenmann, 1957).

Isaacs, A., Lindenmann, J., 1957. Virus interference. 1. The interferon. Proc. R.

Soc. Lond., B Biol. Sci. 147, 258–267.
In 1957, Alick Isaacs and Jean Lindenmann identified

interferon-α as a factor produced upon stimulation of cells by

viruses and which had the ability to protect cells from infection

with viruses of any kind. In fact, the name ‘interferon’ comes

from the ability to interfere with the production of new virus

particles. They noted that it made cells resistant to viral infection

but exerted no adverse effects on uninfected cells. This

observation inspired hopes that IFN could be used to treat viral

infections (Isaacs and Lindenmann, 1957).
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Irene or anyone: Do you know where or how to find the research done in the 50s
about the T-2 cells and cytokines. Or reference to some study that has this
conclusion in order to refer to people who are misinformed?
I have been trying to find it.

It used to be in the PubMed online files - namrly the Natiopnal Library of Medicine.

But I see that all the files from that time have been removed. The oldest files currently on line are about 1970.

That effectively hides all the valuable resdearch from the 1950s and 60s which included most of the nutrient research and also the early extensive immunology research (before vaccinations were such a powerful moneymaker)............. and finding anything without a search engine is about impossible to try to find the records by hand in a library.

I do not have a record in my own files, having made the incorrect assumption that I could always find it easily at PubMed.
S0 I am not sure how to find the information.

Does anyone here have access to old journals of immunology for example?

Namaste,

Irene
--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info

(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:30 pm

Thanks for the information.

Does anyone have info on the report that the current measles virus is genetically different than the old one?
Doesn’t this preclude the vaccine from having any impact on it ?

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Irene de Villiers · Post by **Irene de Villiers** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:28 am

"There are 23 known genotypes of measles of which the (live) vaccine is in genotype A"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25646657

Up to 4% of children have adverse responses including getting measles.
ed. Febrile seizures can occur 7 to 14 days after MMR.

Vaccine is so wonderful it causes outbreaks where 95% are vaccinated:\
"Measles virus circulates endemically in African and Asian large urban populations, causing outbreaks worldwide in populations with up-to-95% immune protection."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25445338

The virus mutates DURING an outbreak as well, and here it warns of resistant forms developing as a result:
"In the Hemagglutinin gene, main target for neutralizing antibodies, we observed gradual nucleotide divergence from index case along the outbreak.................potentially emergence of measles virus neutralization-resistant mutants".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25445338

"GSK-MMR (Priorix) contains the Schwarz measles, the RIT 4385 mumps (derived from the Jeryl Lynn mumps strain) and the Wistar RA 27/3 rubella strains." (They claim less adverse reactions than Merck=-MMR)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12962524

In an actual outbreak one finds several strains. For example, just in Italy in 2010:
http://www.iss.it/publ/anna/2014/4/504345.pdf
"The phylogenetic analysis showed a co-circulation of genotypes D4 and D8, and sporadic cases associated to genotypes D9 and B3. Then, molecular epidemiology of measles cases permitted to establish that D4 and D8 were the endemic genotypes in Italy during 2010."

They forget to mention that the vaccine also suppresses cellular immunity.
I did find somewhere it is mentioned - back in 1970: