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Roger B
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Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Roger B »

I don't even understand exactly what "science based" means. Is it code for materialism? If so, astrology is clearly not materialism and therefore not scientific. But if "science based" is code for materialism, then how do homeopaths get around Avogadro's number? I hear a lot of ideas about that, but I see no proof.

If "science based" means the use of the scientific method, then also homeopathy is a little light on that and may land in the same category as astrology. Pharmaceutical companies, damn their hearts, demonstrate the gold standard of the scientific method with their randomized, crossover, double blind tests. I don't see that in homeopathy or astrology. There is some refinement in the empirical testing of homeopathy, like those tests in Cuba which demonstrated the efficacy of homeopathy quite nicely. I see none of that in astrology. With both homeopathy and astrology, I see mostly observation.

The similarities of homeopathy and astrology are that they are both mostly simple observation based, but I see better observation refinement in homeopathy. The differences is that astrology doesn't (and can't) even pretend to be physical or material. Homeopathy tries to show material or physical causation, but I just don't see how that is possible.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:30:26 -0800
Subject: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu
It's not o easy to prove that it is not science based.
The facts in favor of its predictions have yet to be scientifically explained, but that does not necessarily make it unscientific.

One only has to work out a natal birth chart to see its validity, whether scientifically proveable at this point or not:-)
It can be proved that it has validity but maybe not shown how it works.
Many say that of homeopathy - but, as for astrology, it does not make the subject invalid.
What can be demonstrated is validiy - much as it is easy to show validity of homeopathy.
How it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is uncertain.
The same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it. A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more understanding of the terms than the average reader may have.
i do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another way. Can you prove it is unscientific?

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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Soroush Ebrahimi »

To state that a 12th of the population may require Nat-m for example is debasing homeopathy unless it can be proved.

Rgds

Soroush
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Astrology vs homeopathy
I don't even understand exactly what "science based" means. Is it code for materialism? If so, astrology is clearly not materialism and therefore not scientific. But if "science based" is code for materialism, then how do homeopaths get around Avogadro's number? I hear a lot of ideas about that, but I see no proof.

If "science based" means the use of the scientific method, then also homeopathy is a little light on that and may land in the same category as astrology. Pharmaceutical companies, damn their hearts, demonstrate the gold standard of the scientific method with their randomized, crossover, double blind tests. I don't see that in homeopathy or astrology. There is some refinement in the empirical testing of homeopathy, like those tests in Cuba which demonstrated the efficacy of homeopathy quite nicely. I see none of that in astrology. With both homeopathy and astrology, I see mostly observation.

The similarities of homeopathy and astrology are that they are both mostly simple observation based, but I see better observation refinement in homeopathy. The differences is that astrology doesn't (and can't) even pretend to be physical or material. Homeopathy tries to show material or physical causation, but I just don't see how that is possible.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:30:26 -0800
Subject: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu
It's not o easy to prove that it is not science based.

The facts in favor of its predictions have yet to be scientifically explained, but that does not necessarily make it unscientific.
One only has to work out a natal birth chart to see its validity, whether scientifically proveable at this point or not:-)
It can be proved that it has validity but maybe not shown how it works.

Many say that of homeopathy - but, as for astrology, it does not make the subject invalid.
What can be demonstrated is validiy - much as it is easy to show validity of homeopathy.

How it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is uncertain.
The same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it. A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more understanding of the terms than the average reader may have.
i do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another way. Can you prove it is unscientific?

Namaste,

Irene
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Sheri Nakken »

I agree
that's what I was commenting on.
I too study astrology but don't use it with homeopathy
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Avogadro's number is not relevant in homeopathy.
Look it up!
Avogadro (and the application of his number) has to do with molecular weight or mass.
Homeopathy is always by volume, not molecular weight or mass.
So whoever decided the number was relevant in homepahty, did not know his chemistry
And so you should expect the chemists to be laughing at homeopaths who do not know what they are talking about regarding chemistry. So - is it not logical that if we cannot get such simple cemistry right, we clearly could not get anything else right either? Is it an wonder chemists scoff at homeopaths?
I'm NOT saying I like the laughter, but I AM saying we need to clean up our own house first and stop pretending to ourselves that Avogadro is relevant to homeopathy in any way. It is laughable to anyone who studied Avogadro's chemistry discoveries (which is early in first year chem).
(It should alo be laughable to anyone who understads that homeopathy has to do with energy, not chemistry.

Wen you can tell me the molecular weight of say Pulsatilla, and how many moles are in a tincture, I shall stop laughing.

Namaste,
Irene
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

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Chemistry would not be chemistry with out energy. (my only issue with your statement)
And to go a step further, every energy source we have on earth is a form of/from solar energy.
So the entanglement theory too is applicable.
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Astrology vs homeopathy
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 10:08 AM
On Jan 14, 2015, at
8:59 AM, Roger B rogerbird2@hotmail.com
[minutus] wrote:
then
how do homeopaths get around Avogadro's
number?
Avogadro's
number is not relevant in homeopathy.Look
it up!Avogadro
(and the application of his number) has to do with molecular
weight or mass.Homeopathy
is always by volume, not molecular weight or
mass.
So
whoever decided the number was relevant in homepahty, did
not know his chemistryAnd
so you should expect the chemists to be laughing at
homeopaths who do not know what they are talking about
regarding chemistry. So - is it not logical that if we
cannot get such simple cemistry right, we clearly could not
get anything else right either? Is it an wonder chemists
scoff at homeopaths?
I'm
NOT saying I like the laughter, but I AM saying we need to
clean up our own house first and stop pretending to
ourselves that Avogadro is relevant to homeopathy in any
way. It is laughable to anyone who studied Avogadro's
chemistry discoveries (which is early in first year
chem).
(It
should alo be laughable to anyone who understads that
homeopathy has to do with energy, not
chemistry.
Wen
you can tell me the molecular weight of say Pulsatilla, and
how many moles are in a tincture, I shall stop
laughing.
Namaste,
Irene--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info(Info
on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

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You misquote. I stated that homeopathy is not chemistry.
I said nothing about whether chemistry also involves energy since EVERYTHING involves energy :-)
Not everything involves mass/tangibles, but chemistry does. Even gas has mass, and can be weighed.
We have plenty of sulphur based life forms in the sea, who make no use of solar energy at all.
For example this one lives more or less next door to JoeRoz.. just 3900 ft down...in New Zealand :-)
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Being a predator...Probably New Zealand Lamb with apple jelly :-)

It does not use solar energy or oxygen and does not eat plants.
It uses sulphur from volcanic vents for energy, and is sulphur based not oxygen based.
It's a totally different metabolic system. There are lots of such creatures in the sea.
I would not class the earth's magma as "solar energy".
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Roger B
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Roger B »

The Avogadro's number thingie has to do with whether homeopathy is material/physical or not. The energy that you speak off, which I have experienced many times, is not a PHYSICAL or MATERIAL energy. If it were, we could measure it with a volt meter or some other PHYSICAL measuring device. We can't, and I bet my doggies to your cats that we never will. (On second thought, if I won, I would have to take your cats, and we would have a serious rumble at our house.)

If homeopathy uses the same "energy" that astrology uses, then it is clearly not physical. I have experienced the validity of both homeopathy and astrology. However, I sort of agree with Soroush; the similarities between homeopathy and astrology may be interesting, but I don't look to astrology for any homeopathic information. There are just too many different kinds of astrology for that to make any sense.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:08:03 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Astrology vs homeopathy
Avogadro's number is not relevant in homeopathy.
Look it up!
Avogadro (and the application of his number) has to do with molecular weight or mass.
Homeopathy is always by volume, not molecular weight or mass.
So whoever decided the number was relevant in homepahty, did not know his chemistry
And so you should expect the chemists to be laughing at homeopaths who do not know what they are talking about regarding chemistry. So - is it not logical that if we cannot get such simple cemistry right, we clearly could not get anything else right either? Is it an wonder chemists scoff at homeopaths?
I'm NOT saying I like the laughter, but I AM saying we need to clean up our own house first and stop pretending to ourselves that Avogadro is relevant to homeopathy in any way. It is laughable to anyone who studied Avogadro's chemistry discoveries (which is early in first year chem).
(It should alo be laughable to anyone who understads that homeopathy has to do with energy, not chemistry.

Wen you can tell me the molecular weight of say Pulsatilla, and how many moles are in a tincture, I shall stop laughing.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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Roger B
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

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I don't see what your first sentence has to to do with anything that I said.

Some energy on Earth comes from sources other than the Earth: nuclear eventually comes from the implosion of very large stars more than 5.678 billion years ago. Geothermal comes from the gravitational force of the Earth. Muons, which help us detect nuclear material entering the USA illegally presumably for the purpose of killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, are the result of supernova exploding millions of lightyears from the Earth.

But all that is beside my point that not all energy is physical. Since I have experienced it numerous times and seen the effects of it numerous times and read numerous books on the subject, I won't be changing my mind about this any time soon.

There is simply no way that astrology can work via physical means. And I know that astrology works. Therefore, for me, astrology works via transcendental means: energy or higher thingies. I won't be budging on this any time soon.

Obviously the transcendental energy of homeopathy has to be anchored to the physical (like our consciousness is anchored to the physical via our desires), and there would be some physical expression of that anchor. I believe that this is what people are seeing when they talk about structured water and such. And the structured water per se may be having an effect. And I AM willing to budge on this opinion. What the heck do I know?
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:26:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Astrology vs homeopathy

Chemistry would not be chemistry with out energy. (my only issue with your statement)
And to go a step further, every energy source we have on earth is a form of/from solar energy.
So the entanglement theory too is applicable.
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Re: Astrology vs homeopathy

Post by Irene de Villiers »

I hear his name is "Cuddly" :-)
....Irene
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