Ebola, Science, Politics, Prevention and Cure

[Irene de Villiers]

They can not - but the socalled pleomorphs were first claimed to have been seen on light microscopes.
Most photos do not claim any particular IQ:-)
But the photomicrographs of Ebola virus are very clear.
You are again behind the times.
I have seen some using Correlative fluorescence and electron microscopy.
The fluorescence make a green (or red etc) color for the structure/s targeted.
But it is a single color - depending on what fluorescence is being utilized - with the usual gray scale background
Check out Correlative fluorescence and electron microscopy here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3059187/
Not in any relevant way in this day and age.

They do IF the individual is susceptible due to lacking thymus health.
In a healthy individual, the invading virus will be attacked and removed by the immune system BEFORE it can cause disease.
I have no interest in dogma.
Science is to do with what nature ACTUALLY does -- what actually happens when virus and human meet for example - physiology, metabolic actions, genetics, chemical reactions etc - it has nothing to do with greed politics of Big PHARMA or drugs or dogma.
No.
Deficiencies and toxins damage the system we have to counter disease, and the damaged system fails to RESIST or fight off, bacteria and viruses and cancerous mutations, adn fails to prevent implementation of epigenes with a bad switch position.
THat is not the same thing as a disease cause.
Deficiency and toxins predispose disease - but they are not the cause of the specific dis-ease.
Germs are not nature's scavengers.
Neutrophils are a better example of a scavenger. They go about scavenging dead cells, allergy antigens, bacteria, viruses, and any other junk that accumulates without their efforts.
There has been no "debunking" of the KNOWLEDGE (not a theory) of how viruses and bacteria function.

Namaste,
Irene
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[John R. Benneth]

I've come to a similar hyothesis, that a virus could be an extension or seed of fungus or bacteria. A simiilar idea comes from the etiology of the word virus meaning "venom." Could it be that it is indeed a venom of bacteria or fungus that begins the digestion process by tricking the system into triggering a cytokinetic storm, which then creates cellular disintegrate for bacteria or fungus to feed upon?
I also believe that homeopathic drugs can act directly on the pathogen, anad is why the snake venoms work on stopping Ebola . .
John
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[Irene de Villiers]

Not in the way you are assuming.
The term pleomorphoic is applied to bacteria which have some variations of form. They are slight changes in an easily recognizable bacteria. Nothing changes from one species or subspecies to another.
For example Helicobacter pylori changes between a spherical form and a helical form of the same size.
And for example, some bactgeria change size in response to environmental conditions - shrinking into "spores" of themsleves that expand again when conditions improve.
The structural elements, composition and components do not change. Nor does any species ever morph into another.
(That was an early 20th century idea.)

Second you seem not to know much about virology or bacteriology. In this day and age, ALL the bacteria and viruses are well known specific shapes, including the few that happen to have "pleomorphic" versions of themselves. There is no vagueness or unknown element here. Modern miroscopy can look at well resolved detail at the nanometer level with clarity.

Further - to compare a bacterium to a virus is not realistic due to size differences alone.

Take the common bacterium, E coli for example. (Escherichia coli), found in the colon.
It is rod shaped and about 1000 nanometers across and 6000 nanometers long.
A really tiny bacteria is the spherical staphylococcus and it is 1000 nanometers diameter.
The pleomorph bacteria are just spore formers, and in spore form they look smaller (like 1000 or 2000 nanometers) than when in adult growth form (more like 5000 to 6000 nanometers).
The largest bactgeria is the Thiomargarita namibiensis, with a width up to 750,000 nanometers.

Most Viruses vary in diameter from 20 nanometers to 400 nanometers.
An average one is 200 nanometers.
The largest is 500 nanometers diameter and 700 to 1000 nanometers long.
Ebola is towards the upper limit with a long filamentous shape, 970 nanometers long.

So basically the viruses occupy a range of 20 to 1000 nanometers, averaging about 200 nanometers
and after that bacteria occupy the 1000 to 750,0000 range, averaging about 6000 nanometers.

Only a few bacteria are considered "pleomorphic"
No virus is big enough to look like the smallest occurrence of a pleomorphic bacteria.
Besides the structure is completely different.
You may forget, this is 2014, none of these small structures holds any ytery fro us, We have them down pat to the smallest atomic detail:-) The entire gene code of any organism can be determined with relative ease nowadays.

Ebola is a filovirus with known genome, with virus strtucture, not bacterial structure.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

Interesting, it seems to be a word with multiple uses. My first acquaintance with the word was in context similar to what John referenced, where lfie-forms that appear to be completely separate and distinct and unrelated, were seen under… can't remember the guy's name, but his microscopic study, and I believe since verified elsewhere, to be different forms of a single organism, changing according to the available environment and/or life cycle stage.

This bit from brittanica.com seems related:
the existence of irregular and variant forms in the samespecies or strain of microorganisms, a conditionanalogous to polymorphism in higher organisms.Pleomorphism is particularly prevalent in certain groupsof bacteria and in yeasts, rickettsias, and mycoplasmasand greatly complicates the task of identifying andstudying them.
But the material where I had first heard the term went way beyond that.
Here's a link that talks about the broader topic, and includes mention of the name I now remember first hearing of it with reference to (Enderlein):

The original pleomorphists were particularly active during the first three decades of this century. The basic tenet of their belief was that even common bacteria showed complex life cycles which often included a frequently pathogenic, filterable, or hidden phase [1]. Some even suggested that bacteria are merely rudimentary components of the fungal life cycle. The principal proponents of pleomorphism, such as Almquist, Bergstrand, Hort, Lohnis, Mellon, and Enderlein, have largely been forgotten. However, even renowned microbiologists like Ferdinand Cohn published evidence in support of extreme pleomorphism. Similarly, the eminent American bacteriologist, Theobald Smith, isolated a bacterium which apparently occurred in three forms: a bacillus, a coccus with an endospore or arthrospore, and a conglomeration of all three [2].
If I remember right, part of the usefulness of it had been in support of caring for "the terrain" (health of the body, and internal ecosystem) as opposed to killing off supposed pathogens. One could, though, support that idea easily without the idea of pleomorphism, still it is interesting!

Shannon

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

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