narcissism

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:59 am

She was natural child birth, and breastfed for I *think* more than a year, exclusively for I think at least the first six months -- but I'm not certain of the details. My sister was / is very into all of the natural route.
I know there are many factors that can be involved, including stress and toxic exposure, and during that pregnancy my sister was definitely having both of those. And there might also be genetic issues from the father's side. Complex… I never got a good chance to give her remedies. Should try again sometime, if she'll let me.
As far as advantages of being vegan, well, for me, my intestinal flora then might come out better than I myself would.

I spent years trying to find a non-meat diet that worked for me, and eventually gave up.

Roger B · Post by **Roger B** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:42 am

I agree. It is like the computer or cell phone is this grand avenue to being addicted to the intellect and forget about feelings and other things.

Roger Bird
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 14:58:50 -0600
Subject: [Minutus] Re: narcissism

Personally, I think it comes from excessive computer use, other technologies
and the complete disconnect from feelings. I met a guy about 18 years ago who
was so into computers but he didn't know how to talk to anyone(he was 19). I
heard later that he got heavily into drugs.I knew a little boy who was on the
computer since he was two and playing chess by 7 and he had severe behavior
problems in school...he was treated with homeopathy and it took a few years
but he is okay now.
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Sherill · Post by **Sherill** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:43 am

Q Rep has rubric

Big Ego Quality: Those displaying or suffering from excessive selfishness, arrogance, haughtiness, vanity, confidence, grandeur, ego and importance.
234 remedies.
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Saw in in upmarket children’s shop yesterday a beautiful little model of a girl kitted out in a Tee shirt with MOI printed on it.

Had the thought that she was going to grow up thinking she was the centre of the world.

It is good that children be loved but !!,

I wonder if Jeremy Scherr’s Q rep would encompass it.

Jean
It's been said that the rise in narcissistic types is a result of the "self-esteem" movement. You know, everyone is "special," no matter what they do (or don't do). There's no reality check from parents or school, because heaven forbid little Johnny's ego should be bruised.
It looks as if we're turning out a generation of preening cats. (With apologies to cat-lovers.)
Peace,

Dale

Jean Doherty · Post by **Jean Doherty** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:23 am

Wonderful.. I have just acquired this repertory and have to learn how to use it. Jean
Several children I know have absolutely no resilience if they if their perceived needs are not complied with. Meltdowns if denied are resorted to and usually they are given in to. Perhaps it is the parents who need treatment. Would that be cowardice, dislike of confrontation,lack of confidence ,desire to please, failure,perhaps guilt from those who have children in child care for many hours. Trapped in a situation they have created.
The No of remedies in the rubrics is great but as Jeremy says the remedy is very likely to be there and if one has other useful rubrics that may be helpful. I hope so. Any guidance welcome, Jean

Fran Sheffield · Post by **Fran Sheffield** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:33 am

Just dropping into this quickly so haven't read what has gone before.

I see many ASD children with lack of resilience / rigidity and rather than it coming from ego or true selfishness, it often arises from anxiety and insecurity ... and many of them need Calc. They become rigid and have meltdowns to keep things the same (often misinterpreted as them just wanting their own way) because if things don't stay the same for them, they anxiety regarding what will be new is overwhelming.

These children have to be differentiated from the Lyc type of meltdown that is associated with anger and rudeness.

Fran.

Jean Doherty · Post by **Jean Doherty** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:44 am

Interesting. ? lack of boundaries creating insecurity. Jean

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:38 am

So we have suggestions for/regarding narcissism”

Too much technology; too little human involvement during early years
Too little intestinal good bacteria
Trauma at age 2.5 yrs which is a very self-centered age (terrible two’s)
Vaccine injury
Bad parenting values

I suppose all could have an impact on creating Narcissism and would be worth exploring in case taking with such personalities

If I look at people I have dealt with who seem to be clinically narcissistic, early trauma stands out a strong possibility
Parenting goals also seems to be a factor in some of them.
In my daughter, early dependency on technology was clearly not a piece as we didn’t have any for many years; our lives

Rigidity in their perceptions, as Jean and Fran note.
Appear to have big ego

Here are some personal observations of people that I have dealt with in regular relationships.:

The perfectionism of these people and need to be in absolute control in their lives seems to have shame or humiliation
as a core emotional factor. One man I know seems to have had a very involved and supportive family growing up but
racism and social class issues were big factors in determining his personality. He was rabid when his mother died a year
after his sister passed as he had no control over either of those events. We worked very closely together and he turned
on me and began to wage a campaign against me in the community. A professor I once had and who I did a job for
was not verbally raging but instead demanded others take responsibility for her dumb choices. It manifested in her
refusal to pay me—it took over 5 yrs to get paid even after going to mediation and then to court. Her ability to pay was
not the issue. She dragged the payments out over a couple of years. She was so bad that my lawyer did not even
charge me, he felt such sympathy for me and her son even stated that his mother always needed to blame someone else.
A woman who was a social worker always maintained control on the surface, or so it seemed but she had a way of
smiling that always felt like she was gritting her teeth and seething underneath. She was incessant about getting her
way in meetings, using her social work training in self-control to impose herself. When I once asked her why she
kept repeating herself over and over she said she wanted to make sure people heard her; it, listened and agreed with her.
These people were not those who grew up with technology. They are all people who work with people professionally
and in their political commitments. They make their living and reputations on their ability to communicate and persuade
others. And that includes my daughter, too.

This does not negate the issue of how technology isolates people or parenting values that support this behavior.
I recently left a decent job with a woman whose parents really encouraged this kind of behavior. I watched both her
parents as they encouraged this woman to remain calm while she was being very crazy in her demands; the mother’s
comment to her, in front of me, was “don’t go there, you have all these degrees and are better than that.” This mother
told me face up that she spoiled this daughter, her only one and then stood there calling me a liar. This customer was
rageful. It would take about 30 sec for her to go from calm to screaming. I was there on her behalf, doing a job that
she chose to do and there she was sabotaging the work just to impose control (in the middle of the work she decided
that going to get her hair done was more important than letting me come in to get the work done. And then she
complained about how long it was taking. This is crazy behavior and she was unabashed in it and acted out in
front of everyone.

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:50 pm

Somewhere in Organon Hahnemann draws distinction between mental issues that are treatable, and those that aren't; he says that an aberration that has resulted from training and socialization, will not be curable simply with remedies -- though I would think common sense would say that if a remedy is *needed* in addition to "attitude adjustment", then the remedy should be helpful to the process…
I have certainly seen situations where it was not possible to "talk sense" to a person (on a particular topic) until after they had gotten some healing from the needed remedy; but after that, they were more able to consider the situation more objectively, and with greater freedom of thought. I would guess same could be true of a narcissist, but it sounds like getting them *into* treatment would be the big trick. I would think that if they are having any physical health issues or struggles, that could provide a possible doorway?

Veronique Bouan · Post by **Veronique Bouan** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:04 pm

Is not narcissism growing since spanks are forbidden ?

Ok I am in a way kidding, in another way just thinking here

2014-11-17 15:50 GMT+01:00 Shannon Nelson shannonnelson@tds.net [minutus] >:

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:06 pm

I think this is a very tricky type of understanding.
My understanding is that anything that is out of balance is fair game for healing.
Homeopathy won’t change basic character, but will/can moderate the extremes that are unhealthy.
As for narcissism it seems to me to be an imbalance based on social or societal conditions which
can include toxins like vaccines.

We have all seen people make major changes in their lives when given a good remedy. People leaving rotten
relationships, for example. People changing their relationship to success for another.

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