i'm told Peter Alex wrote about it in a book on Lyme. haven't bought it tho.
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From: "Sheri Nakken homeopathycuresyou@gmail.com [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] dilemma
I have never used that remedy
You have to look at the proving
Remedies, when mixed, are more than the sum of their parts.
Sheri
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: dilemma
Dear Soroush,
I keep forgetting to explain that I study the ICT from a genetics perspective, not from the repertory, and overall in the healthy case to get their ICT picture.
ALL the ICT types also have various susceptibilities to illness aspects that are indeed part of the ICT, but the basic one I study is the one of a healthy ICT. The other aspects are "behind the cover picture" on potential illness pages, according to whatever is capable of going wrong in that ICT. To understand what goes wrong, it is extremely helpful to first know what is normal for the ICT. Knowing what is normal and desirable to an ICT is also very helpful in knowing how to get on with a particular individual - as you learn what really maters to them and can work to accommodate it - whether human, cat or giraffe.
As an example, My current cat's ICT is Ignatia.
Knowing that helps me as I know that getting lots of light is essential to Ign or they get depressed. SO while I have closed curtains and a dark house as I sleep in the day, I have made adjustments so she can play on an enclosed porch outsiude and she also to has a triangle to watch outside from the top of a bookcase. I also know that her other extremely important-to-her item is to get food treats. She just loves that ritual. So I arrange her day to have a little treat frequently. Since I discovered these two critical needs of hers, we have a much better relationship and she in turn, has taught me the cat words for "porch time" and "how about a treat". I struggle to understand what she says and it took a couple weeks before she gleefully got me on board.
She then tried to have me see this as a silent meow cat words, but I am afraid I was a bad enough student with the voiced one, had no hope with silent, and she had to give up and go back to voice commands:-)
Bottom line - understandong her ICT better has made for a better relationship between us, and we both benefit.
So if I describe a Calc ICT for example, it is the normal healthy one, the "cover picture" if you like, for Calc or watever ICT I am describing. That summary cover picture will exclude the fearfulness that is not a normal part of a healthy calc enjoying its life.
It would need a book to describe the entire ICT and all the myriad potential predispositions it could evoke.
This can involve any combination or permutation of calc rubrics. For THAT we need the repertory - but it aligns perfectly with the geneticically derived ICT.
An example: Lyc has very narrow hips and a way of walking that is almost a swagger, where one foot (rear foot for four legged ones) is put in front of another - making an almost striaght line of footprints rather than two lines.
(So you see if you study it enough you can tell what shape/ICT/size individual you are tracking just from foorptints!) To line up with the repertory, Lyc has a high prpensite for hip dysplasia especially in the four legged versions. This is perfectly expected from the narrow hips and tendency to move with more looseness than usual.
This Lyc looseness of movement extends to how they sleep - they are the ICT who can be found twisted around by 180 degrees and with a head hanging off the bed for example. Cals is a bit stiff by comparison, cannot do that kind of movement. Calc Phos could but will not, and sleeps on their side. Phos would not be found on their backs at all, much less twisted on their backs, they need to be ready to go.
So the physical features (eg lyc narrow hips and looseness of structure) align with personality (eg Lyc laid back attitude and sleep postition) and with movement characteristics (eg Lyc loose walk) and with illness predispositions (eg Lyc hip dysplasiua tendency) - it all hangs together for an ICT. There are no illogical components.
In the repertory, you will not find the ICT physical features, ways of walking and moving, body proportions and shapes, muscle structure, ribcage shape, boning details, ratio of types of muslce fibers, eye expression, etc, etc etc nor the differences in physique found at different ages of that ICT, such as size at birth, adult size, when they get taller, what shape they have as newborns, babies, teenagers, adults, geeriatrics, etc in the repertory. But that is all part of the ICT's "normal" picture., which I study. An ICT wil align with a remedy, so it is really adding enormously to the knowlegde of a remedy, to add in the ICT findings via genetics.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I keep forgetting to explain that I study the ICT from a genetics perspective, not from the repertory, and overall in the healthy case to get their ICT picture.
ALL the ICT types also have various susceptibilities to illness aspects that are indeed part of the ICT, but the basic one I study is the one of a healthy ICT. The other aspects are "behind the cover picture" on potential illness pages, according to whatever is capable of going wrong in that ICT. To understand what goes wrong, it is extremely helpful to first know what is normal for the ICT. Knowing what is normal and desirable to an ICT is also very helpful in knowing how to get on with a particular individual - as you learn what really maters to them and can work to accommodate it - whether human, cat or giraffe.
As an example, My current cat's ICT is Ignatia.
Knowing that helps me as I know that getting lots of light is essential to Ign or they get depressed. SO while I have closed curtains and a dark house as I sleep in the day, I have made adjustments so she can play on an enclosed porch outsiude and she also to has a triangle to watch outside from the top of a bookcase. I also know that her other extremely important-to-her item is to get food treats. She just loves that ritual. So I arrange her day to have a little treat frequently. Since I discovered these two critical needs of hers, we have a much better relationship and she in turn, has taught me the cat words for "porch time" and "how about a treat". I struggle to understand what she says and it took a couple weeks before she gleefully got me on board.
She then tried to have me see this as a silent meow cat words, but I am afraid I was a bad enough student with the voiced one, had no hope with silent, and she had to give up and go back to voice commands:-)
Bottom line - understandong her ICT better has made for a better relationship between us, and we both benefit.
So if I describe a Calc ICT for example, it is the normal healthy one, the "cover picture" if you like, for Calc or watever ICT I am describing. That summary cover picture will exclude the fearfulness that is not a normal part of a healthy calc enjoying its life.
It would need a book to describe the entire ICT and all the myriad potential predispositions it could evoke.
This can involve any combination or permutation of calc rubrics. For THAT we need the repertory - but it aligns perfectly with the geneticically derived ICT.
An example: Lyc has very narrow hips and a way of walking that is almost a swagger, where one foot (rear foot for four legged ones) is put in front of another - making an almost striaght line of footprints rather than two lines.
(So you see if you study it enough you can tell what shape/ICT/size individual you are tracking just from foorptints!) To line up with the repertory, Lyc has a high prpensite for hip dysplasia especially in the four legged versions. This is perfectly expected from the narrow hips and tendency to move with more looseness than usual.
This Lyc looseness of movement extends to how they sleep - they are the ICT who can be found twisted around by 180 degrees and with a head hanging off the bed for example. Cals is a bit stiff by comparison, cannot do that kind of movement. Calc Phos could but will not, and sleeps on their side. Phos would not be found on their backs at all, much less twisted on their backs, they need to be ready to go.
So the physical features (eg lyc narrow hips and looseness of structure) align with personality (eg Lyc laid back attitude and sleep postition) and with movement characteristics (eg Lyc loose walk) and with illness predispositions (eg Lyc hip dysplasiua tendency) - it all hangs together for an ICT. There are no illogical components.
In the repertory, you will not find the ICT physical features, ways of walking and moving, body proportions and shapes, muscle structure, ribcage shape, boning details, ratio of types of muslce fibers, eye expression, etc, etc etc nor the differences in physique found at different ages of that ICT, such as size at birth, adult size, when they get taller, what shape they have as newborns, babies, teenagers, adults, geeriatrics, etc in the repertory. But that is all part of the ICT's "normal" picture., which I study. An ICT wil align with a remedy, so it is really adding enormously to the knowlegde of a remedy, to add in the ICT findings via genetics.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Re: dilemma
Irene, sorry, i have not been following the entire thread, but what does ICT stand for and where do you get this info?
thank you.
Rachel
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From: "Irene de Villiers furryboots@icehouse.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] dilemma
Dear Soroush,
I keep forgetting to explain that I study the ICT from a genetics perspective, not from the repertory, and overall in the healthy case to get their ICT picture.
ALL the ICT types also have various susceptibilities to illness aspects that are indeed part of the ICT, but the basic one I study is the one of a healthy ICT. The other aspects are "behind the cover picture" on potential illness pages, according to whatever is capable of going wrong in that ICT. To understand what goes wrong, it is extremely helpful to first know what is normal for the ICT. Knowing what is normal and desirable to an ICT is also very helpful in knowing how to get on with a particular individual - as you learn what really maters to them and can work to accommodate it - whether human, cat or giraffe.
As an example, My current cat's ICT is Ignatia.
Knowing that helps me as I know that getting lots of light is essential to Ign or they get depressed. SO while I have closed curtains and a dark house as I sleep in the day, I have made adjustments so she can play on an enclosed porch outsiude and she also to has a triangle to watch outside from the top of a bookcase. I also know that her other extremely important-to-her item is to get food treats. She just loves that ritual. So I arrange her day to have a little treat frequently. Since I discovered these two critical needs of hers, we have a much better relationship and she in turn, has taught me the cat words for "porch time" and "how about a treat". I struggle to understand what she says and it took a couple weeks before she gleefully got me on board.
She then tried to have me see this as a silent meow cat words, but I am afraid I was a bad enough student with the voiced one, had no hope with silent, and she had to give up and go back to voice commands:-)
Bottom line - understandong her ICT better has made for a better relationship between us, and we both benefit.
So if I describe a Calc ICT for example, it is the normal healthy one, the "cover picture" if you like, for Calc or watever ICT I am describing. That summary cover picture will exclude the fearfulness that is not a normal part of a healthy calc enjoying its life.
It would need a book to describe the entire ICT and all the myriad potential predispositions it could evoke.
This can involve any combination or permutation of calc rubrics. For THAT we need the repertory - but it aligns perfectly with the geneticically derived ICT.
An example: Lyc has very narrow hips and a way of walking that is almost a swagger, where one foot (rear foot for four legged ones) is put in front of another - making an almost striaght line of footprints rather than two lines.
(So you see if you study it enough you can tell what shape/ICT/size individual you are tracking just from foorptints!) To line up with the repertory, Lyc has a high prpensite for hip dysplasia especially in the four legged versions. This is perfectly expected from the narrow hips and tendency to move with more looseness than usual.
This Lyc looseness of movement extends to how they sleep - they are the ICT who can be found twisted around by 180 degrees and with a head hanging off the bed for example. Cals is a bit stiff by comparison, cannot do that kind of movement. Calc Phos could but will not, and sleeps on their side. Phos would not be found on their backs at all, much less twisted on their backs, they need to be ready to go.
So the physical features (eg lyc narrow hips and looseness of structure) align with personality (eg Lyc laid back attitude and sleep postition) and with movement characteristics (eg Lyc loose walk) and with illness predispositions (eg Lyc hip dysplasiua tendency) - it all hangs together for an ICT. There are no illogical components.
In the repertory, you will not find the ICT physical features, ways of walking and moving, body proportions and shapes, muscle structure, ribcage shape, boning details, ratio of types of muslce fibers, eye expression, etc, etc etc nor the differences in physique found at different ages of that ICT, such as size at birth, adult size, when they get taller, what shape they have as newborns, babies, teenagers, adults, geeriatrics, etc in the repertory. But that is all part of the ICT's "normal" picture., which I study. An ICT wil align with a remedy, so it is really adding enormously to the knowlegde of a remedy, to add in the ICT findings via genetics.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
thank you.
Rachel
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From: "Irene de Villiers furryboots@icehouse.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] dilemma
Dear Soroush,
I keep forgetting to explain that I study the ICT from a genetics perspective, not from the repertory, and overall in the healthy case to get their ICT picture.
ALL the ICT types also have various susceptibilities to illness aspects that are indeed part of the ICT, but the basic one I study is the one of a healthy ICT. The other aspects are "behind the cover picture" on potential illness pages, according to whatever is capable of going wrong in that ICT. To understand what goes wrong, it is extremely helpful to first know what is normal for the ICT. Knowing what is normal and desirable to an ICT is also very helpful in knowing how to get on with a particular individual - as you learn what really maters to them and can work to accommodate it - whether human, cat or giraffe.
As an example, My current cat's ICT is Ignatia.
Knowing that helps me as I know that getting lots of light is essential to Ign or they get depressed. SO while I have closed curtains and a dark house as I sleep in the day, I have made adjustments so she can play on an enclosed porch outsiude and she also to has a triangle to watch outside from the top of a bookcase. I also know that her other extremely important-to-her item is to get food treats. She just loves that ritual. So I arrange her day to have a little treat frequently. Since I discovered these two critical needs of hers, we have a much better relationship and she in turn, has taught me the cat words for "porch time" and "how about a treat". I struggle to understand what she says and it took a couple weeks before she gleefully got me on board.
She then tried to have me see this as a silent meow cat words, but I am afraid I was a bad enough student with the voiced one, had no hope with silent, and she had to give up and go back to voice commands:-)
Bottom line - understandong her ICT better has made for a better relationship between us, and we both benefit.
So if I describe a Calc ICT for example, it is the normal healthy one, the "cover picture" if you like, for Calc or watever ICT I am describing. That summary cover picture will exclude the fearfulness that is not a normal part of a healthy calc enjoying its life.
It would need a book to describe the entire ICT and all the myriad potential predispositions it could evoke.
This can involve any combination or permutation of calc rubrics. For THAT we need the repertory - but it aligns perfectly with the geneticically derived ICT.
An example: Lyc has very narrow hips and a way of walking that is almost a swagger, where one foot (rear foot for four legged ones) is put in front of another - making an almost striaght line of footprints rather than two lines.
(So you see if you study it enough you can tell what shape/ICT/size individual you are tracking just from foorptints!) To line up with the repertory, Lyc has a high prpensite for hip dysplasia especially in the four legged versions. This is perfectly expected from the narrow hips and tendency to move with more looseness than usual.
This Lyc looseness of movement extends to how they sleep - they are the ICT who can be found twisted around by 180 degrees and with a head hanging off the bed for example. Cals is a bit stiff by comparison, cannot do that kind of movement. Calc Phos could but will not, and sleeps on their side. Phos would not be found on their backs at all, much less twisted on their backs, they need to be ready to go.
So the physical features (eg lyc narrow hips and looseness of structure) align with personality (eg Lyc laid back attitude and sleep postition) and with movement characteristics (eg Lyc loose walk) and with illness predispositions (eg Lyc hip dysplasiua tendency) - it all hangs together for an ICT. There are no illogical components.
In the repertory, you will not find the ICT physical features, ways of walking and moving, body proportions and shapes, muscle structure, ribcage shape, boning details, ratio of types of muslce fibers, eye expression, etc, etc etc nor the differences in physique found at different ages of that ICT, such as size at birth, adult size, when they get taller, what shape they have as newborns, babies, teenagers, adults, geeriatrics, etc in the repertory. But that is all part of the ICT's "normal" picture., which I study. An ICT wil align with a remedy, so it is really adding enormously to the knowlegde of a remedy, to add in the ICT findings via genetics.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Re: dilemma
Aur-ars. seems more useful for European versions of Lyme than American ones, at least in my experience.
Peace,
Dale
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Peace,
Dale
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: dilemma
Hi Rachel,
ICT stands for Innate Constitutional Type, and the infomation comes from my own research over the past several decades, starting in 1984 with some initial findings about the way innate characteristics are inherited in groups, and not as discrete genes randomely from each parent, as had previoiusly been assumed per Mendelian inheritance.
It is also the case that each discrete group of inherited traits, or ICT as I call it, happens to align with a specific homeopathic remedy. That was an amazing finding, but it is wonderfl that it holds true as it allows combination of genetics and homeopahty into one set of information which includes all aspects of an individual at all ages, including in full health, thus giving the "normal" for each ICT - and not just a conglomerate of illness predispostiions as in the repertory.
My work is not yet published apart from mentions in emails in certain groups.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
ICT stands for Innate Constitutional Type, and the infomation comes from my own research over the past several decades, starting in 1984 with some initial findings about the way innate characteristics are inherited in groups, and not as discrete genes randomely from each parent, as had previoiusly been assumed per Mendelian inheritance.
It is also the case that each discrete group of inherited traits, or ICT as I call it, happens to align with a specific homeopathic remedy. That was an amazing finding, but it is wonderfl that it holds true as it allows combination of genetics and homeopahty into one set of information which includes all aspects of an individual at all ages, including in full health, thus giving the "normal" for each ICT - and not just a conglomerate of illness predispostiions as in the repertory.
My work is not yet published apart from mentions in emails in certain groups.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Re: dilemma
Dale, could you say more about that please? I would like to understand.
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Re: dilemma
Wow. I would like to know more. Pity you have not yet published your work, Irene!
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Re: dilemma
It's not like there's a genus epidemicus for Lyme. You treat according to the symptoms of the Px. I've seen only one case in which Aur-ars. was indicated -- and there was typical Ars. paranoia. My other cases have been a variety of remedies (and they've mostly been chronic Lyme because few people go to a homeopath first for Lyme treatment).
Peace,
Dale
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Peace,
Dale
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: dilemma
I am working on it but so slowly due to health issues.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: dilemma
I will second what you have said Dale.
It was homeopathic medicine that sent me to a Homeopath almost 20 years ago, after 3 years on allopathic medicines and all kinds of antibiotics, I was dying and homeopathy saved my life with a 200C of Calc carb, and No that is NOT a constitutional for me, but it was the remedy I needed at that time.
Since becoming a homeopath I have treated a lot of Lyme disease, my first question with a Lyme patient is "What happened between a year and a year and a half before you got Lyme?" The answer to that question has always let me to a correct remedy. I have used quite a few remedies for Lyme, and Aurum- Arsenicum was not one of them, although in a subsequent case of lyme that I got, Aurum Mur Nat helped me a lot.
Homeopathy is individualized to the patient, there is not ONE remedy for Lyme, like any other condition a person might have the homeopath must individualize the remedy for that patient.
Warmly, Maria
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It was homeopathic medicine that sent me to a Homeopath almost 20 years ago, after 3 years on allopathic medicines and all kinds of antibiotics, I was dying and homeopathy saved my life with a 200C of Calc carb, and No that is NOT a constitutional for me, but it was the remedy I needed at that time.
Since becoming a homeopath I have treated a lot of Lyme disease, my first question with a Lyme patient is "What happened between a year and a year and a half before you got Lyme?" The answer to that question has always let me to a correct remedy. I have used quite a few remedies for Lyme, and Aurum- Arsenicum was not one of them, although in a subsequent case of lyme that I got, Aurum Mur Nat helped me a lot.
Homeopathy is individualized to the patient, there is not ONE remedy for Lyme, like any other condition a person might have the homeopath must individualize the remedy for that patient.
Warmly, Maria
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