Homeopathy as a Process [Was: History of Homeopathy - more on Decline of Homeopathy in US]

[Fran Sheffield]

As an additional comment on homeopathy being a process, there are two longitudinal studies I can think of on children with ADHD in the "process" part of homeopathy was well demonstrated (though that was not the goal of either study).

If the benefit of homeopathic treatment had been measured by the early appointments, the results across all children would have been considered quite poor but looking at the results after 8 - 12 months of treatment, they were very good indeed. There would be many other studies that would show similar.

Does this mean that homeopathy is slow to act? No, but it can take a while to tease out the important remedies for some deeply entrenched chronic cases.

Does this mean that allopathic medicine with its Ritalin and Concerta that produce relatively rapid responses are better? No, because improvement achieved by suppression are short-lived and come with side-effects whereas improvements with homeopathy are non-toxic and a progression toward cure.

Fran.
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[Roger B]

Dear Fran,

I believe you. I still suspect that that Sulfur 200C may have benefited me; I believe this because of some subjective experiences that I had shortly after taking the several Sulfur 200C applications.

BUT, this kind of very long delay that you mention is a problem for the transmission of enthusiasm for homeopathy. What if my sister-in-law (who really is an incredible precious darling; sort of a saint, actually) really was benefited by her several homeopathy treatments, but she had trouble connecting the dots between the time she got the treatments and when her benefit started to manifest to her? Let us say that she did many things between her treatments and the benefit, like changing her diet and taking up rebounding and etc. She is probably not going to be able to connect the dots and run to her other sisters and tell them how cool homeopathy is.

I see this as a problem that is not likely to go away, until we can get a better handle on how homeopathy works, PERHAPS.

Sincerely,
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 22:16:32 +1100
Subject: [Minutus] Homeopathy as a Process [Was: History of Homeopathy - more on Decline of Homeopathy in US]

As an additional comment on homeopathy being a process, there are two longitudinal studies I can think of on children with ADHD in the "process" part of homeopathy was well demonstrated (though that was not the goal of either study).

If the benefit of homeopathic treatment had been measured by the early appointments, the results across all children would have been considered quite poor but looking at the results after 8 - 12 months of treatment, they were very good indeed. There would be many other studies that would show similar.

Does this mean that homeopathy is slow to act? No, but it can take a while to tease out the important remedies for some deeply entrenched chronic cases.

Does this mean that allopathic medicine with its Ritalin and Concerta that produce relatively rapid responses are better? No, because improvement achieved by suppression are short-lived and come with side-effects whereas improvements with homeopathy are non-toxic and a progression toward cure.

Fran

[Fran Sheffield]

I don't think the problem is with homeopathy so much as we have become an "instant" society. We want things to happen and we want it now.

Until we accept that rapid suppression gives the illusion of improved health but in truth introduces more problems and over time, weakens our ability to heal, and that problems that took years of neglect to reach the point of treatment may also take time to unravel, we will always be looking for the quick fix.

I don't think homeopathy can change that. All we can do is try to let people know that there's a price to pay for the quick fix but most are still going to go for it any way.

FRan.
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[Bob Needham]

I agree fully with you here Fran. Our society not only wants instant gratification but is also for the most part, lacking in the self discipline to avoid their acquired destructive pleasures whether it be in foods, physical habits and addictions or whatever. Superimposed on this, there is a whole different thought process required for a person to embrace homeopathy vs allopathy. We we are working with something conceptually totally out of the box when compared to conventional medicines who have the "so called" scientific "$$$" research to support why chemical drugs should work. As such, and you have touch on in your last 10 words, (most are still going to go for it any way); I related to my Seventy Five /Twenty Five Axiom that I found common to the species in all aspects of our existence. If 100 people witness an event - 75 can't explain fully what they witnessed; 20 know what they have observe but don't know what to do about it, leaving 5 who not only realize what has happened but also have a plan of action. Conclusion: we are marketing ourselves to only 5% of the public. Working with this small a market, it can be very negatively leveraged to our disadvantage with economic turn downs, lack of financial Government support for medical services that is often provided for allopathic patients etc.

Bob
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[Fran Sheffield]

I think this is very true, Bob.

Explains a lot if only 5% of the public are aligned with our philosophy.
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[Roger B]

Fran,

I never wished to imply that there was something wrong with homeopathy. If I were to hunt around my brain for something wrong with homeopathy, the only thing that I can come up with is that it is so difficult to find the right remedy.

It would also be nice if there were a working theory, but that is not going to happen until we get off the materialism garbage wagon. I personally am already happy with whatever theory we can craft out of "prana" or "vital force" or "resonant vital force".

Your "instant" idea is right on, but other people call it other things.

It is perfectly natural that people will choose the less spiritual healing system in a time of materialism.
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:02:47 +1100
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Homeopathy as a Process [Was: History of Homeopathy - more on Decline of Homeopathy in US]

I don't think the problem is with homeopathy so much as we have become an "instant" society. We want things to happen and we want it now.

Until we accept that rapid suppression gives the illusion of improved health but in truth introduces more problems and over time, weakens our ability to heal, and that problems that took years of neglect to reach the point of treatment may also take time to unravel, we will always be looking for the quick fix.

I don't think homeopathy can change that. All we can do is try to let people know that there's a price to pay for the quick fix but most are still going to go for it any way.

FRan.

[Irene de Villiers]

Not if you use genetics.


......Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

Perhaps I can learn something here. What do you mean, Irene, by "Not if you use genetics". I know allopaths use genetics as an excuse for anything that don't understand or can't heal.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 03:38:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Homeopathy as a Process [Was: History of Homeopathy - more on Decline of Homeopathy in US]
Not if you use genetics.


......Irene

[Irene de Villiers]

Diss me all you like but without adding in genetics I challenge you to figure a newborn kitten's Innate constitutionl type before he is a day old, as I did with Nyfiken.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Dear Roger,
Some background to put my answer in perspective:
My interest in genetics started when I was a child and culminated in my book on Cat Genetics in 1994, containing very new concepts on how to make use of genetics in healthy breeding practices in animals, including maintaining show type while breeding increased vigor. (Vigor is dependent on the number of heterozygous genes - in other words the more varied the genes, the better the immune system.)

I noticed in my work with cats, that genes are not inherited in the claimed Mendelian way, with one random gene from each parental pair of genes, to be combined to make the kitten's gene pair.
It took a lot of cats to see what was happening. I have bred cats since I was a child, and have bred several types.I have also set up and managed multiple breed groups where breeders get together to study features of cats regularly. For example a typical meeting example would be showing how to feel the shape of ribcage, hips, legs, spine, boning etc to know lung volume, hip dysplasia potential etc, and so to choose breeding pairs that lower undesirable features and increase desirable ones for health. AT the meetings many cats would be brought and used to study examples.
A separate activity of mine was acting as a midwife to multiple breeders (in Cape Town) - so that I have delivers many thousands of kittens. I could not help noticing patterns that repeated themselves, in terms of oinherited traits, and with my genetics background I stated looking more closely.
It soon became apparent that genes are inheritedd in sets, and not in random combinatons from parents.

The details of the sets were fascinating and I began documenting them, and it soon was the case that when i saw a specific set of traits at birth I could predict what traits there would be at any later age.
I did not at first know enough homeopathy to realize that I was lookig at the implementatio of a specific remedy type.
I now call one specific inherited group of traits that ALWAYS occurs as a set, inherited together, an Innate Constitutional Type - or ICT.

(The details here need a book - so I shall try to describe one example)

To use Nyfiken as an example again, he belongs to as et of inherited traits that come together, which happens to also align with Lycopodium.
At birth, Lyc has very narrow hips, a very long torso, skinny legs and arms, is an average weight, but is much longer than average, so looks skinny except for tha fact they have a very sunstantial ribcage. The tail is also longer. A typical Lyc newborn behavior is to probably get a good meal first, and then go exploring. What do other teats taste like? Are there teats on the other side of the cat? They climb over and go tumbling down to see. They are sweet natured, and will wait for another kitten's teat to be available before trying it out. When satiated and exhausted from their curiosity exploits, they will sleep with that long backbone straight or twisted, ofen upside down with the head facing one way and the lower legs facing another way. Their long flexible torso plus very narrow hips make this an easy and comfortable position, and they are not in a hurry to go aywhere, so they relax well.

My point:
Each ICT is easily recognizable by their inherited traits, even at birth.
Those inherited traits determine everything about them throughout life, and apply to that ICT in any species.
Each ICT has age-related characteristics too.
For example some ICTs are born small, some big.
Sepia for example is born small and so is Platina.
But Sepia stays smallish, and Platina becomes extremely large, ver young. They are the runt kitten that beomes the biggest by 4 months old. Phos is the other way - they start very large, and become average but tall.
Growth rates also are specific to ICT. Sepia starts tiny but fiesty with a pot belly. By teenage (for the species) they are skinny and lanky. By adult to middle age they have their pot belly back.
Newborn sepia knows what teat is hers/his, and defends it fiercely against all comers of twice the size, with newborn fisticuffs that need to be seen to be believed. Nobody gets to taste HER teat. (Every teat adapts to a specific kitten and provides the ratios of nutrients needed by that kitten; all teats do not give the same character of milk by the way)
Other ICT things include when an individual does their main groth spurt. For exampe Plat does it very young, in umans by age ten or eleven. Ars alb does it later, at about age 15 or so, when they will go from having shortish limbs and seeming not that tall, (starting out chubby babies and late walkers) to possibly the tallest person around, as legs and arms shoot in growth much more than torso, and all in one year.
Phos people gain height more evenly during teenage years, and they start newborn very large babies, later havig w long legs, and they do not do the 13 inches in one year thing.

These are some small random examples of how inherited traits are involved and can tell you the ICT - or basically the remedy best matched to the individual, which if used will accord them very robust health. That remedy will iclude all the tings to which they are predisposed - that too is a part of the inherited characterists set. ANd THAT part is known from provings.

It's just a whole heck of a lot easier to know a remedy accurately if you can rule in or rule out certain ICT type characteriatics.
Identical twins for example are hardly ever the same ICT. One wl have longer legs or longer torso or tendenc to pot belly or flat bum or whatever characterists are part of THEIR ICT.
(Clearly there is more to what is inherited as ICT traits than ordinary DNA, otherwise twins would not have diferent ICTs, and different illness and personality dispositions/features).

I hope these minimal examples are a peephole for you, to what my inherited traits work and ICT Health approach is all about. To documnet it all needs to at least doublke the repertory features we have now which are the minority of features being only the illness predispositons and generally completely lacking in all the physical, kinetic, and healthy features, including healthy personality. The repertories have a scant subset with which we are forced to work in remedy selection as that is all you get from a proving.
Imagine how much better it would be if you also had the rest of the traits associated with a remedy name - how an ICT moves (phos trots, lyc swaggers, sul likes to blink, sil walks in fast short strides, etc) plus personaity issues at different ages, physical features at different ages, etc - all INHERITED ICT traits at all ages.

Finding the ICT remedy when yo know the inherited trait set, is not always easy as they are not all documented yet - not al connected yet with their knoen repertory features - to do that for all the remedies requires a huge body of work, but the traits for many of the more frequently encountered types are documented, and continue to be documneted better as my work proceeds. I hae been at this for a few decades. It takes a large number of exampes of a specific ICT type - and p referebly in multiple species - to KNOW that specific features are always part of a specific ICT.

Once you connect one up - it is VERY predictable that if yo see a grop of ICT featrures for one specific ICT have been inherited you can know the rest of the features.

It is a fun game. I use a questionnaire to determine ICT, asking for some body proportions, and behavior and movement features. IF it is an ICT I know well or can determine from those questions, I may be able to describe the rest of individal's appearance and behavior characterictics to the owner of an animal, withot ever having met or seen the animal.

In other words, just as a remedy aligns with an individual, so also does the set of their inherited traits align with that same remedy.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."