Corona viruses like SARS - was Ebola

[Irene de Villiers]

SARs was not "released".
It occured in nature and caused havoc in China.
SARS is a corona virus category of virus. (They all have a crown-like shape, hence "corona" virus). Corona virus hops into individuals but causes no harm unless their thymus does not work properly (such as after multiple vaccinations). As more vaccines are used, more corona viruses become capable of attacking individuals.
Depending on where the coronavirus lives in the body (which is determined by its gene sequences) it may be highly contagious between people (eg if it lives in the lungs like SARS or in the gut as one of the cat corona virues), or it may be non-contagious (eg if it lives in blood cells). Different corona viruses have different features as their gene codes are complex and differ.
That depends how you define epidemic.
It affected just under ten thousand people in multiple countires, killing almost ten percent of them (9.6%).
By most standards that qualifies as an epidemic for sure and possibly a pandemic.
"An epidemic occurs when the incidence rate (i.e. new cases in a given human population, during a given period) of a certain disease substantially exceeds what is 'expected,' based on recent experience."

So it WAS at least an epidemic.
You (and whoever you believed who said so) have a wild imagination and apparetly no knowledge of virology.
That is total fiction.
SARS is a corona virus. Corona viruses tend to be extremely nasty. They usually cause respiratory, gastrointesinal, liver and neurologic disease. Some are extremely lethal, for example the one that kills ten million cats in USA per year and the similar one found in ferrets and other obligate carnivores such as wolverines and honey badgers. The death rate for these is 100%, so we are lucky corona viruses tend not to jump species too often - (so far not t6his 100% lethal one - but throw more inappropriate drugs at them and they WILL adapt).

A corona virus is extremely specific in its structure leading to its classification as a corona virus.
Man can "borrow" a single gene from one organism and stick it into another one but that is a far cry from making an entire complex organism. We are a VERY long way from manufacturing a coronavirus at will, or any other virus. Lab developed viruses exist but are standard wild type viruses, not manufactured ones, with possibly one spliced gene, to make some small but specific alteration.

SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome corona virus) started out in southern China in late 2002, affecting over 8000 people there, killing 775 of them.
Nobody could have invented it even if they wanted to do so.
Lat's keep these inventions for the fiction books where they belong.
The real world is much more involved and difficult to deal with than some puny human invention.
Corona viruses can make chemical warfare look like a joke. One of two found in cats, can kill in TWO DAYS, with 100% death rate, regardless of treatment (with the rare survival by homeopathy and intense round the clock nursing for over a month) . If that crosses species to humans, we are in BIG doo doo. An there is nothing man can do to stop it.

Some corona viruses CAN already infect different species, SARS being an example. It is found in the palm civet in China, and may have jumped species to man from them. It was also found in animals at animal markets and on farms. It is known to have been spread at a restaurant via a palm civet. Another study shows it in horseshoe bats and it could have transferred from them also.

The Middel East Rerspiratory Syndrome corona virus (MERS) is another nasty coronavirus. It occurred in nine Northern African countries and spread via travel to twelve others.

Fortunately, man is incapable of inventing anything so incredibly complex - and has a long way to go to get to that stage of technical capability.
Man does more than enough damage with what they can devise, without inventing anything extra

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Label GMO Florida]

Irene, when you say... "One of two found in cats, can kill in TWO DAYS, with 100% death rate, regardless of treatment (with the rare survival by homeopathy and intense round the clock nursing for over a month) . If that crosses species to humans, we are in BIG doo doo. An there is nothing man can do to stop it."
do you mean it will take down someone even if their immune system is strong and uncompromisable, or if it infects you it is so fast there is no time to treat homeopathically?
also something i heard about ebola as a possible reason for this outbreak is eating infected monkeys? from what you said this can only happen if the virus has already mutated. so could this ebola be a mutation of monkey ebola? or was that just someones assumption of where this outbreak began?
thanks
vicki
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Subject: [Minutus] Corona viruses like SARS - was Ebola
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 8:37 AM
On Oct 3, 2014, at
7:45 AM, Tanya Marquette tamarque@earthlink.net
[minutus] wrote:
No one is questioning whether a SARS virus was
released into the population.
SARs was not
"released".It occured in nature and
caused havoc in China.SARS is a corona virus
category of virus. (They all have a crown-like shape, hence
"corona" virus). Corona virus hops into
individuals but causes no harm unless their thymus does not
work properly (such as after multiple vaccinations). As more
vaccines are used, more corona viruses become capable of
attacking individuals. Depending on where
the coronavirus lives in the body (which is determined by
its gene sequences) it may be highly contagious between
people (eg if it lives in the lungs like SARS or in the gut
as one of the cat corona virues), or it may be
non-contagious (eg if it lives in blood cells). Different
corona viruses have different features as their gene codes
are complex and differ.
What
is not usuallylooked at is that a) it was not an
epidemic
That depends how you define
epidemic.It affected just under ten thousand
people in multiple countires, killing almost ten percent of
them (9.6%).By most standards that qualifies as
an epidemic for sure and possibly a
pandemic.
"An epidemic occurs
when the incidence rate (i.e. new cases in a given human
population, during a given period) of a certain disease
substantially exceeds what is 'expected,' based on
recent experience."
So it WAS at least an
epidemic.
b)
it was a man made retrovirus
organism
You (and whoever you believed who
said so) have a wild imagination and apparetly no knowledge
of virology.That is total fiction.SARS
is a corona virus. Corona viruses tend to be extremely
nasty. They usually cause respiratory, gastrointesinal,
liver and neurologic disease. Some are extremely lethal, for
example the one that kills ten million cats in USA per
year and the similar one found in ferrets and other obligate
carnivores such as wolverines and honey badgers. The death
rate for these is 100%, so we are lucky corona viruses tend
not to jump species too often - (so far not t6his 100%
lethal one - but throw more inappropriate drugs at them and
they WILL adapt).
A
corona virus is extremely specific in its structure leading
to its classification as a corona virus.Man can
"borrow" a single gene from one organism and stick
it into another one but that is a far cry from making
an entire complex organism. We are a VERY long way from
manufacturing a coronavirus at will, or any other virus. Lab
developed viruses exist but are standard wild type viruses,
not manufactured ones, with possibly one spliced gene, to
make some small but specific alteration.
SARS (severe acute respiratory
syndrome corona virus) started out in southern China in late
2002, affecting over 8000 people there, killing 775 of
them. Nobody could have invented it even if they
wanted to do so.
c)
it did not do thejob it was meant to do—take
down 10’s of 1000’s and sufficiently scare people into
allowing medical marhal law to
occur.
Lat's keep these inventions for
the fiction books where they belong.The real
world is much more involved and difficult to deal with than
some puny human invention.Corona viruses can make
chemical warfare look like a joke. One of two found in cats,
can kill in TWO DAYS, with 100% death rate, regardless of
treatment (with the rare survival by homeopathy and intense
round the clock nursing for over a month) . If that crosses
species to humans, we are in BIG doo doo. An there is
nothing man can do to stop it.
Some corona viruses CAN already
infect different species, SARS being an example. It is found
in the palm civet in China, and may have jumped species to
man from them. It was also found in animals at animal
markets and on farms. It is known to have been spread at a
restaurant via a palm civet. Another study shows it in
horseshoe bats and it could have transferred from them
also.
The Middel
East Rerspiratory Syndrome corona virus (MERS) is another
nasty coronavirus. It occurred in nine Northern African
countries and spread via travel to twelve
others.
Fortunately,
man is incapable of inventing anything so incredibly complex
- and has a long way to go to get to that stage of technical
capability. Man does more than enough damage
with what they can devise, without inventing anything extra

Namaste,
Irene
--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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[Roger B]

Irene is always refreshingly balanced and knowledgeable. Thank you, Irene.

Roger Bird
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 05:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Minutus] Corona viruses like SARS - was Ebola
SARs was not "released".
It occured in nature and caused havoc in China.
SARS is a corona virus category of virus. (They all have a crown-like shape, hence "corona" virus). Corona virus hops into individuals but causes no harm unless their thymus does not work properly (such as after multiple vaccinations). As more vaccines are used, more corona viruses become capable of attacking individuals.
Depending on where the coronavirus lives in the body (which is determined by its gene sequences) it may be highly contagious between people (eg if it lives in the lungs like SARS or in the gut as one of the cat corona virues), or it may be non-contagious (eg if it lives in blood cells). Different corona viruses have different features as their gene codes are complex and differ.
That depends how you define epidemic.
It affected just under ten thousand people in multiple countires, killing almost ten percent of them (9.6%).
By most standards that qualifies as an epidemic for sure and possibly a pandemic.
"An epidemic occurs when the incidence rate (i.e. new cases in a given human population, during a given period) of a certain disease substantially exceeds what is 'expected,' based on recent experience."

So it WAS at least an epidemic.
You (and whoever you believed who said so) have a wild imagination and apparetly no knowledge of virology.
That is total fiction.
S=ARS is a corona virus. Corona viruses tend to be extremely nasty. They usually cause respiratory, gastrointesinal, liver and neurologic disease. Some are extremely lethal, for example the one that kills ten million cats in USA per year and the similar one found in ferrets and other obligate carnivores such as wolverines and honey badgers. The death rate for these is 100%, so we are lucky corona viruses tend not to jump species too often - (so far not t6his 100% lethal one - but throw more inappropriate drugs at them and they WILL adapt).

A corona virus is extremely specific in its structure leading to its classification as a corona virus.
Man can "borrow" a single gene from one organism and stick it into another one but that is a far cry from making an entire complex organism. We are a VERY long way from manufacturing a coronavirus at will, or any other virus. Lab developed viruses exist but are standard wild type viruses, not manufactured ones, with possibly one spliced gene, to make some small but specific alteration.

SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome corona virus) started out in southern China in late 2002, affecting over 8000 people there, killing 775 of them.
Nobody could have invented it even if they wanted to do so.
Lat's keep these inventions for the fiction books where they belong.
The real world is much more involved and difficult to deal with than some puny human invention.
Corona viruses can make chemical warfare look like a joke. One of two found in cats, can kill in TWO DAYS, with 100% death rate, regardless of treatment (with the rare survival by homeopathy and intense round the clock nursing for over a month) . If that crosses species to humans, we are in BIG doo doo. An there is nothing man can do to stop it.

Some corona viruses CAN already infect different species, SARS being an example. It is found in the palm civet in China, and may have jumped species to man from them. It was also found in animals at animal markets and on farms. It is known to have been spread at a restaurant via a palm civet. Another study shows it in horseshoe bats and it could have transferred from them also.

The Middel East Rerspiratory Syndrome corona virus (MERS) is another nasty coronavirus. It occurred in nine Northern African countries and spread via travel to twelve others.

Fortunately, man is incapable of inventing anything so incredibly complex - and has a long way to go to get to that stage of technical capability.
Man does more than enough damage with what they can devise, without inventing anything extra

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Dear Vicki,
Thanks for the compliments in your other email...
No, a cat with an intact immune system cannot get infected as the immune system destroys the virus before that can happen.
So the big reason for the ten million deaths per year just in USA, is the vaccines and other stresses imposed on kittens, and enforced by laws and cat fancy rules. FIP, as it is called, was first seen in the early 1960s, as a very rare disxeeases in cats, but now kills 10% of cats per year, having inexorabl;y increasefd in proportion to the chemical and physical onslaughts that destroy the thymus. It is specifically the thymus that needs protection. A high stress hormone level will destroy it, as will vaccines and worse drugs (steroids for example, of which the body's own cortisol is one).
This is true. Also it is not diagnosed at the start of infection (despite that being possible) but when near terminal symptoms are first seen. Even then it is often not correctly diagnosed becasue we only figured out how to do it well in 2009 and the vets are still using the Merck veteriary manual put out by a drug company, as their veterinary manual. It says to throw steroids at this disease! A large percentage of the cats dying from this, do so by direct veterinary action. Without it the cats last more like one or two weeks, and may have a chance with homeopathy. (It takes time to rebuild the thymus, the disease can win that race.)

FIP, the cat disease (and the comparable ones in ferrets, wolverines and honey badgers) are all separate CORONA viruses and they do not normally jump species, though they do so now and then using a mutation to a new form. Maybe once every decade or more. So your cat's FIP will not infect you, thankfully.
Same with LENTIVIRUS viruses - such as those that cause the AIDS disease. They are even more species specific and cannot mutate to other species readily. It happens maybe once in hundreds of years via crossover mutatio (reauirin ga chunk of genetic material as opposed to a single gene mutation).

But that is not the case with some other virus categories, which can infect multiple species with NO changes or mutations required to do so. Ebola and the other FILOVIRUSES can infect whatever mammals are handy to them. They are zoonotic, meaning it is normal for them to infect multiple species, so that anmals infect man for example.
Ebola infects multiple species of animals naturally in the local forests where Ebola outbreaks occur. There are slight differences between each Ebola virus type becasue they are adapted for the animal in which they usually live. But hungry humans hunt these anials and for example wil eat a chimpanzee they find dead, which died of ebola, and they will get ebola transferred to susceptible humans that way. It makes sense that a hungry person is desperate enough to bring home a downed chimp, and also makes sense they would not have the best health to ward off a virus invasion. Hunger is a stress, it raises cortisol, that destroys the thymus.
Yes. monkeys, chimps, and other species all are able to be infected by Ebola. And man. In some cases they traced it back to the actual chimpanzee that was found and eaten, to start a specific outbreak. Ebola does reglarly kill not just chimps but also other wild animals. This accounts for differences in ebola viruses in the different outbreaks. They develop in different animals in different areas. There are many variants.
No. Filoviruses do not need to mutate to infect multiple species, they already have that capability normally.
No it will be the normal monkey ebola, no mutation needed. People need to avoid ebola infeceted animals.
Unfortunately no. It is possible to follow the gene code back and prove a specific virus came form a specific chimpanzee, and in at least one case they have done that and shown a specific chimpanzee (found dead in the forest and brought home for eating) to be the actual initial source of a particular outbreak.

Each category of virus has specific features that are common to the viruses of that category. Hence Filoviruses (Marburgh is another one) all can infect multiple species.
Corona viruses are species specific, but under stress they will mutate to survive in a new species.
Lentiviruses are much more species specific and almost never mutate to a new species.

Some virses mutate viable infective forms more easily than others, but still remain species specific. Flu viruses are examples, and are in the category ENTEROVIRUS. Enteroviruses remain species specific because of what part of them mutates...they change their "envelope protein" (much like a mask they wear which then becomes unrecognizable as somethign seen before) to avoid detection by the immune system's antibodies. So you get new flu strains all the time but they still are species-specific - either a horse flu or a cat flu or a human flu etc, but they do not jump species. All the enteroviruses are this way.

The virus category and subcategory (family and genus) tells you what the virus characteristics are for all its members. That is how viruses are classified so each category has specific features, much like different animals have different features by which they are classified.

The two corona viruses in cats for example, differ by a single mutation concerning where the virus lives. The one present in the gut of all cats (to a lesser or greater extent) is feline enteric corona virus (FeCoV) which has a gene that forces it to live in the apical cellsof the gut villi.
But every now and then it mutates this gene into one that forces it to live in macrophage blood cells, where it takes over management of the immune systen function and misdirects it to kill the cat (unless the thymus kills it first - as this one cannot be killed by antibodies). It is then a new corona virus called Feline Infectious Peritonitis VIrus (FIPV), and in macrophage cells it behaves totoally differently to the way it behaves in gut cells. One is lethal, the other merely causes gastroenteritis.

So viruses are all about what the specific category of virus can do, where it lives, what proteins they make to disrupt life, what kinds of mutations they do, how they look physically (as antibodies look for that) and whether the first line of immune defence (thymus action not antibodies) is functional and can kill them BEFORE they infect. Antibodies only become active AFTER they infect. Some viruses like corona virus actually use antibodies to help them do their dirty work. It is called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), and for these viruses, a vaccination directly predisposes the disease, and positions disease enhancement in place, while it destroys the thymus defence.
(Man's greed and stupidity at work).

Each virus has its own very specific personal attack mechanisms. These are mind bogglingly clever chemical mechanisms for such a tiny life form, usually involving the making of proteins to disrupt life. (The body's chemical control mechanisms are managed by proteins.)

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Label GMO Florida]

again, thank you for sharing your in depth knowledge, Irene.
so if someone has already been vaccinated and had their kids vaccinated while still under the brainwashing of modern western medicine how can one go about correcting any damage to the thymus?
ok, i am talking about me and my kids here. no one has been vaccinated in at least ten years but the kids got all vaccines required for kindergarten and i went overseas with the military so got more than my share back in the day. we now eat clean and a couple few times a year do a week long juice cleanse.
we have not done chelation, i haven't due to mercury fillings i still have. i have heard some protocols are suppose to be safe even with fillings but don't know that is true??
i have asked before on this list if anyone knows a knowledgeable homeopath in the tampa bay area of florida. have yet to find one. anyone want to step up and take my families cases on via email. you can contact me privately. we are all healthy but for sure we need correcting of past mistakes, lol.
i have been studying herbs and other natural health/alternative medicines for years now and my plant inventory i grow personally is in the hundreds now but homeopathy is so deep and i can really hear the difference in those that study it verse those that think it a four year study course or worse, dabbling on the internet. of course i would like someone who lives it and studies as part of their life. there are many on this board that i wish were in my area!!!
the main reason i want to find a local is for my dad who could not understand a video consultation, way too old school. he is the one with kidney stones and breathing problems stemming from the removal of half one lung approx ten years ago. so if any one has specialties in these areas please contact me.
thanks so much to all here for sharing knowledge.
vicki
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Corona viruses like SARS - was Ebola
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 6:29 PM
On Oct 4, 2014, at
8:44 AM, Label GMO Florida vickih_fla@yahoo.com
[minutus] wrote:
Irene, when you say...
Dear
Vicki, Thanks for the compliments in your other
email...
"One of two found in cats, can kill in
TWO DAYS, with 100% death rate, regardless of treatment
(with the rare survival by homeopathy and intense round the
clock nursing for over a month) . If that crosses species to
humans, we are in BIG doo doo. An there is nothing man can
do to stop it."
do you mean it will
take down someone even if their immune system is strong and
uncompromisable,
No, a cat with an intact immune
system cannot get infected as the immune system destroys the
virus before that can happen.So the big reason
for the ten million deaths per year just in USA, is the
vaccines and other stresses imposed on kittens, and enforced
by laws and cat fancy rules. FIP, as it is called, was first
seen in the early 1960s, as a very rare disxeeases in cats,
but now kills 10% of cats per year, having inexorabl;y
increasefd in proportion to the chemical and physical
onslaughts that destroy the thymus. It is specifically the
thymus that needs protection. A high stress hormone level
will destroy it, as will vaccines and worse drugs (steroids
for example, of which the body's own cortisol is
one).
or
if it infects you it is so fast there is no time to treat
homeopathically?
This is true. Also it is not
diagnosed at the start of infection (despite that being
possible) but when near terminal symptoms are first seen.
Even then it is often not correctly diagnosed becasue we
only figured out how to do it well in 2009 and the vets are
still using the Merck veteriary manual put out by a drug
company, as their veterinary manual. It says to throw
steroids at this disease! A large percentage of the cats
dying from this, do so by direct veterinary action. Without
it the cats last more like one or two weeks, and may have a
chance with homeopathy. (It takes time to rebuild the
thymus, the disease can win that race.)
FIP, the cat disease (and the
comparable ones in ferrets, wolverines and honey badgers)
are all separate CORONA viruses and they do not normally
jump species, though they do so now and then using a
mutation to a new form. Maybe once every decade or more. So
your cat's FIP will not infect you,
thankfully.Same with LENTIVIRUS viruses - such as
those that cause the AIDS disease. They are even more
species specific and cannot mutate to other species readily.
It happens maybe once in hundreds of years via crossover
mutatio (reauirin ga chunk of genetic material as opposed to
a single gene mutation).
But that is not the case with some
other virus categories, which can infect multiple species
with NO changes or mutations required to do so. Ebola and
the other FILOVIRUSES can infect whatever mammals are handy
to them. They are zoonotic, meaning it is normal for them to
infect multiple species, so that anmals infect man for
example.Ebola infects multiple species of animals
naturally in the local forests where Ebola outbreaks occur.
There are slight differences between each Ebola virus type
becasue they are adapted for the animal in which they
usually live. But hungry humans hunt these anials and for
example wil eat a chimpanzee they find dead, which died of
ebola, and they will get ebola transferred to susceptible
humans that way. It makes sense that a hungry person is
desperate enough to bring home a downed chimp, and also
makes sense they would not have the best health to ward off
a virus invasion. Hunger is a stress, it raises cortisol,
that destroys the thymus.
also
something i heard about ebola as a possible reason for this
outbreak is eating infected
monkeys?
Yes. monkeys, chimps, and other
species all are able to be infected by Ebola. And man. In
some cases they traced it back to the actual chimpanzee that
was found and eaten, to start a specific outbreak. Ebola
does reglarly kill not just chimps but also other wild
animals. This accounts for differences in ebola viruses in
the different outbreaks. They develop in different animals
in different areas. There are many variants.
from what you
said this can only happen if the virus has already
mutated.
No. Filoviruses do not need to
mutate to infect multiple species, they already have that
capability normally.
so could
this ebola be a mutation of monkey
ebola?
No
it will be the normal monkey ebola, no mutation needed.
People need to avoid ebola infeceted animals.
or was that just
someones assumption of where this outbreak began?
Unfortunately no. It is possible
to follow the gene code back and prove a specific virus came
form a specific chimpanzee, and in at least one case they
have done that and shown a specific chimpanzee (found dead
in the forest and brought home for eating) to be the actual
initial source of a particular outbreak.
Each category of virus has specific
features that are common to the viruses of that category.
Hence Filoviruses (Marburgh is another one) all can infect
multiple species.Corona viruses are species
specific, but under stress they will mutate to survive in a
new species.Lentiviruses are much more species
specific and almost never mutate to a new
species.
Some virses
mutate viable infective forms more easily than others, but
still remain species specific. Flu viruses are examples, and
are in the category ENTEROVIRUS. Enteroviruses remain
species specific because of what part of them mutates...they
change their "envelope protein" (much like a mask
they wear which then becomes unrecognizable as somethign
seen before) to avoid detection by the immune system's
antibodies. So you get new flu strains all the time but they
still are species-specific - either a horse flu or a cat flu
or a human flu etc, but they do not jump species. All the
enteroviruses are this way.
The virus category and subcategory
(family and genus) tells you what the virus characteristics
are for all its members. That is how viruses are classified
so each category has specific features, much like different
animals have different features by which they are
classified.
The two
corona viruses in cats for example, differ by a single
mutation concerning where the virus lives. The one present
in the gut of all cats (to a lesser or greater extent) is
feline enteric corona virus (FeCoV) which has a gene that
forces it to live in the apical cellsof the gut
villi.But every now and then it mutates this gene
into one that forces it to live in macrophage blood cells,
where it takes over management of the immune systen function
and misdirects it to kill the cat (unless the thymus kills
it first - as this one cannot be killed by antibodies). It
is then a new corona virus called Feline Infectious
Peritonitis VIrus (FIPV), and in macrophage cells it behaves
totoally differently to the way it behaves in gut cells. One
is lethal, the other merely causes
gastroenteritis.
So
viruses are all about what the specific category of virus
can do, where it lives, what proteins they make to disrupt
life, what kinds of mutations they do, how they look
physically (as antibodies look for that) and whether the
first line of immune defence (thymus action not antibodies)
is functional and can kill them BEFORE they infect.
Antibodies only become active AFTER they infect. Some
viruses like corona virus actually use antibodies to help
them do their dirty work. It is called antibody-dependent
enhancement (ADE), and for these viruses, a vaccination
directly predisposes the disease, and positions disease
enhancement in place, while it destroys the thymus
defence. (Man's greed and stupidity at
work).
Each virus has
its own very specific personal attack mechanisms. These are
mind bogglingly clever chemical mechanisms for such a tiny
life form, usually involving the making of proteins to
disrupt life. (The body's chemical control mechanisms
are managed by proteins.)
Namaste,
Irene
--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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[Vicki Satta]

Vicki

What about Miranda Castro? I don't know if she is a good homeopath, but a while back when I was looking for the cream for my leg I spoke to her. I know she is honest because she told me NOT to purchase a product she is selling for someone in England because "...you already told me that you're allergic to three things in it." She may be in Miami. Not sure though.

You might contact her and she may recommend.

Best,
Vicki in CO!!

[Irene de Villiers]

My pleasure, I have always found virology fascinating. For such tiny organisms to have such sophisticated and sneaky mechanisms is really quite mind boggling, so I studied them as a major for my my B.Sc, and also in grad school, and since then I look for the genetic progress so as to use it to advantage. I think it behooves homeopaths to keep up with pure science, at least in the areas in which we work - by which I mean knowledge of how life forms work.
Not as easily as I would like, as I am in that same boat, and finding out how is somewhat new homeopathy science, though most remedies help the process. My explanation comes from a few decades of work, please bear with it, it takes a while to introduce:

Over the past few decades since I wrote my Cat Genetics book in 1994, I have seen that genetics - or inheritance - explains more than is generally accepted even taking epigenes into account. We inherit in a set or group - a very specific set of traits that go together in a group (or maybe we have those energies before conception as part of our spiritual permanent being pre-set and permannet as our soul self - and present at every incarnation) .
This includes characteristics of how we look, how we think, how we respond to the world, how we move, what way we lie when we sleep, how we walk, what strengths we have, what ratios of long and short distance muscle fibers we have, what kinds of organ weaknesses, strengths or predispositions we have, and the list goes on. It literally covers all aspects of an individual's NORMAL and also illness and other predisposition characteristics.
Everyone has a specific set of these comprehensive defining characteristics (though they may implement them differently to someone else with the same ICT) and it is not mixed up with a another set. Certain things do not occur together regardless whether parents have genes for them to theoretically occur. There are only specific discrete sets inherited together as a group.

I call one of these sets the Innate Constitutional Type of an individual. In 1994 my cat genetics book suggested how to plan healthy cat breeding by choosing specific types which when mated, would be able to produce a wide variety of differnet healthy different types - the more different - the stronger the immune system.
But imagine my amazement when I eventually realized each inherited set, also lines up with a specific homeopathic remedy, which I thus call the ICT remedy.

My belief (confirmed in cases where it was done so far) is that THIS remedy will help most to restore the immune system which is damaged.

It is pretty much what some homeopaths call a constitutional remedy but most homeopaths do not see that as present at birtth and throughout life, which it is, nor do most homeopaths understand that the ICT includes all the healthy features of the ICT as well as any illness predispositions - the latter of which may be found in the repertory but sometimes misinterpreted due to provers excluding ones of the ICT under consideration - and also due to only recording extreme presentation of illness and excluding the normal features. Normal features can not be recorded by individuals of a different ICT, though once in a while a physical feature is actual;ly perceived by a prover, but it is not realized it is a physical feature and it will be misrepresented.

Hence is ti very difficult to find and be SURE of, the lifelong ICT remedy of an individual. It needs to be known as a certainty, then used in FIbonacci series to strengthen the system well. The homeopathic principle is stated by Hahnemann in Aph 141, though he did not see ICT types back then. Instead APh 141 points out that a healthy individualk using a remedy (eg in a proving) will becoe "more robust".
Geneticists have always used the term "robust" to describe a genetically stronger immune system, usually due to heterozygous (many varied) genes present.
But the one matchign remedy IMO - the ICT remedy - is the ONE remedy needed to develop robustness without needing to prove a whole lot of remedies as is discussed in Aph 141.
If you prove a whole lot, they are bound to cover some or many of your illness predispositions (or immune weaknesses), but the one matched to ALL your healthy and illness predisposed characteristics would do the most in one remedy.

I hope that short explanation makes sense.

There are at least two problems I can th ink of with this approach:
Some of us have been around with a compromised thymus for multiple decades, and the thymus gets involuted (very low functioning) more with every single insult to it. Insults include vaccines, steroids, chemical pollution, physical stress, emotional stress (anything that raises cortisol), etc.
There are some things but not many which recent research shows can help improve thymus function a little, nutrients like L-arginine, DHA, EPA, and there's one other I can not rememebr at 6am after being up all night.

However so far the BEST results via homeopathy have been with ICT remedy in F series.
I do not have a way to get genetics records or thymus condition records before and after usig ICT as it would be nice to do, however from judgements made across a growing number of cases, it looks very promising.

My case: I struggle with my own case as I have cortisol-producing tumors and I know no way to stop them, so as to stop slamming that poor thymus, or what little is left of it, long enough to even try to repair it.
On the other hand, I have not had pneumonia since I started using it, and that is definitely a new record since starting this illness. It's not a pure test as I also take Moducare which helps keep infections at bay.
No bronchitis or pneumopnina last winter at all - a first since about 1998.
I am only one anecdote.

Animal cases: I do feel the statistics for animals using ICT Health have shown good efficacy, and there are significnat numbers but the work is in relatively early stages still, so not enough time after any cases yet, to make firm or statistically significant logterm-effect conclusions. Longterm matters when we are talking about the thymus.
SO this is an early days feedback on what I call the "ICT Health" system. It is specifically intended to align with wha we are made of in terms of inherited characteristics - out one total "frequency of being" if you like - to work on repair of the thymus so as to regain control over chronic disease: The thymus is the only line of defence for that - apart from also being the first line of defence for everything else including acute illness too - before antibodies that only come 2nd and only after a problem has already set in and the thymus *appears* overwhelmed (possibly becasue it is too shot to work)
Antibodies are backup troops, they cannot prevent illness. That only happens from the direction of thymus activity.
I do think the right nutrition is essential as well, especially avoidance of starches and other inflammatory substances of any kind, and increased emphasis from vegetable and fruit antioxidants, and beneficial fats.
I spent a fortune to get rid of mine, I am glad I managed to do it, and I had enough to start a mine
Not sure what you mean?
I do not think I would delay a homeopathic approach/protocol for thymus regeneration due to mercury fillings.
I do not but you may find it worthwhile to check Steve Waldstein's list of classical homeopaths:
http://www.homeopathy-cures.com/find_a_homeopath.html
That is fantastic.
People can take good advantage of beneficial plant knowledge.
I work so much with carnivores for whom those things are toxic, that the carnivore options often come to mind first:-) My favorite though is daily greenies made with green veg and fruit etc.
I agree with your thinking, and hope you find someone like that.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

On her website the main page is for selling products she makes which contain multiple different remedies in a mixture - combos - claimed to be "for" specific things like scar removal.
How is that homeopathy?

Her "articles" are about acute cases needing first aid. There is not one case of chronic issue in sight on her verey many pages of websitte.
In fact she seems to find those ..well let's use her words:
"Homeopathy does have its limitations: advanced organic pathology, like severe heart disease or crippling arthritis, involves changes in the structure of the body that can rarely be reversed."
It is MY view that things like arthritis and heart disease are the easier chronic cases:-)
I find homeopathy great at repairing whatever "structural changes in the body" have occurred.
I did look for some credetials to show what courses she studied but I found none.
I do not count memebrship of societies as a course in homeopathy.
There is no degree there which I coudl find on her website to show a specific course of study.
That would bother me.
(The CHC thing is not worth the paper it is written on - it is a memory test with annual fees attached.)
I do not consider homepathy to be a science that can be effectively practised by having a good memory. In fact, a very POOR memory can be a huge advantage in chronic illness homeopahty as there will be less guessing or backwards working by trying to match a remedy to a patient (backwards) instead of starting at the patient's characteristics and leading from them to a remedy (te right way round).
She has strange mixed products. For example, what "homeopathy" product has THREE things in it with material enough to trigger allergy?

I would look for someone with much experience in chronic diseases, and who finds things like heart disease and arthritis to be run of the mill cases....becasue they are.... (to a homeopath who studied homeopathy rather then "memorizing remedy facts").

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Label GMO Florida]

thank you, i think i have actually heard of her in the realm of the autism world. i work with a lot of parents on the nutritional side and chelation appears to be a huge piece of the puzzle. my first step is the removal of my fillings, i have had a "scan" done that tests the mercury "fumes??' given off by the fillings and the guy was shocked that mine was very very low considering most of my bottom molars have fillings. i think you are right that she is south florida, i think she works or just consults at a facility that offers something like a gerson therapy to correct many issues. cant remember the name of the place right now but they do a complete raw primarily juicing approach.
i will look for her. also thry the autism world there is a homeopath in NY that does chelation therapy but since you are suppose to be monitred thru out it might be a struggle being so far apart??
thanks
vicki
www.LabelGMOFlorida.com
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Corona viruses like SARS - was Ebola
To: "Label GMO Florida vickih_fla@yahoo.com [minutus]"
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014, 6:30 AM
Vicki
What about Miranda Castro? I don't know if she is a
good homeopath, but a while back when I was looking for the
cream for my leg I spoke to her. I know she is honest
because she told me NOT to purchase a product she is selling
for someone in England because "...you already told me
that you're allergic to three things in it." She
may be in Miami. Not sure though.
You might contact her and she may recommend.
Best,
Vicki in CO!!
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[Label GMO Florida]

i think she was referring specifically to the chelation help i am looking for but your explanation of how to critically look at what is being put out there as credentials, etc. will be very helpful to someone like me who does not have your background. it is much easier to analyze someone in your own field than someone in a field you admire from the outside.
vicki
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Corona viruses like SARS - was Ebola
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014, 10:11 AM
On Oct 5, 2014, at
3:30 AM, Vicki Satta victoria2dc@comcast.net
[minutus] wrote:
Vicki
What
about Miranda Castro?
On her website the main page is for
selling products she makes which contain multiple different
remedies in a mixture - combos - claimed to be
"for" specific things like scar
removal.How is that homeopathy?
Her "articles" are about
acute cases needing first aid. There is not one case of
chronic issue in sight on her verey many pages of
websitte.In fact she seems to find those ..well
let's use her words: "Homeopathy does have its limitations:
advanced organic pathology, like severe heart disease or
crippling arthritis, involves changes in the structure of
the body that can rarely be
reversed."
It is MY view that things like arthritis and heart
disease are the easier chronic
cases:-)I find
homeopathy great at repairing whatever "structural
changes in the body" have
occurred.
I did
look for some credetials to show what courses she studied
but I found none.I do
not count memebrship of societies as a course in
homeopathy.There
is no degree there which I coudl find on her website to show
a specific course of study.That
would bother me.(The
CHC thing is not worth the paper it is written on - it is a
memory test with annual fees
attached.)
I do
not consider homepathy to be a science that can be
effectively practised by having a good memory. In fact, a
very POOR memory can be a huge advantage in chronic
illness homeopahty as there will be less guessing or
backwards working by trying to match a remedy to a patient
(backwards) instead of starting at the patient's
characteristics and leading from them to a remedy (te right
way round).
I
don't know if she is a good homeopath, but a while back
when I was looking for the cream for my leg I spoke to her.
I know she is honest because she told me NOT to purchase a
product she is selling for someone in England because
"...you already told me that you're allergic to
three things in it."
She has strange mixed products. For
example, what "homeopathy" product has THREE
things in it with material enough to trigger
allergy?
I would look
for someone with much experience in chronic diseases, and
who finds things like heart disease and arthritis to be run
of the mill cases....becasue they are.... (to a homeopath
who studied homeopathy rather then "memorizing remedy
facts").
Namaste,
Irene--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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