Wondering what groups thoughts are on how one could protect those who have found asbestos [Mr Fluffy’s insulation in their homes].
It is causing great fear and distress in my city at the moment. I would think of Carcinocin first . Then there is anger at being exposed, etc. Thank you, Jean
Asbestosis
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Jean Doherty
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Re: Asbestosis
unless the asbestos is falling apart and has been disturbed, there should be no health issues. also not all types cause problems. you're not talking about potentized asbestos, are you? i don't know if it's been made into a remedy. in any case, the mode of carcinogenesis for asbestos is physical, so i doubt an isopathic approach would help. i'd go with rescue remedy and some common sense talk. mostly only asbestos workers have come down with mesothelioma.
From: "Jean Doherty clellyd@bigpond.com [minutus]"
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Indeed. The shock of discovery must be awful. Thank you Jean
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Indeed. The shock of discovery must be awful. Thank you Jean
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: Asbestosis
It all depends on the level of reaction in the individuals. If there is
great shock - you can consider Aconite too.
Soroush
great shock - you can consider Aconite too.
Soroush
Re: Asbestosis
The remedy should depend upon the predominant reaction. Is it anger?
Feeling victimized? Shock? Fright? Etc.
Peace,
Dale
Feeling victimized? Shock? Fright? Etc.
Peace,
Dale
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Asbestosis
Have not researched the condition homeopathically, but environmentally
it needs to be dealt with professionally.
NO ONE SHOULD TRY TO REMEDIATE IT BY THEMSELVES.
The fibers are infinitesimally small and most respirators are not
equipped to protect against them
FYI--there is friable and non friable asbestos products. Non-friable is
relatively safe unless it decays.
Friable needs to be contained or professionally removed.
any building constructed before 1980 is considered to have asbestos in
the USA. it was used in several
thousand building products (ceiling tiles, floor tiles, paints, glues,
caulks as well as heating pipe insulation
or in vermiculite insulation)
not trying to minimize concern, it is important to put asbestos into
perspective. Given all the housing stock
and industrial uses of asbestos--and it is still not illegal in the
US--the number of cases of asbestos or other
related lung conditions is incredibly low.
some people go overboard the otherway stupdily. for ex, i had a plumber
once go into a basement and begin
cutting thru asbestos covered pipe. when asked about his work habits he
poopoo'd me like i was a sissy. that
happened just before the asbestos scare began. but he was a stupid
jerk, being as polite as possible. today he
would not have been allowed into the basement before remediation was done.
What I recommend is that if there is concern about asbestos in the
house, have a professional licensed person
come in to do an inspection, take material samples, and if asbestos is
in a friable state, have air sampling done.
it is worth the cost for peace of mind.
How do I know this? Because I have taken EPA training, and been
licensed to do these inspection surveys. If
asbestos fibers are in the lungs, the medical industry feels it cannot
be removed. Now with homeopathy we
may be able to do that but then you have to consider the impact of
moving asbestos fibers thru the body.
tanya
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it needs to be dealt with professionally.
NO ONE SHOULD TRY TO REMEDIATE IT BY THEMSELVES.
The fibers are infinitesimally small and most respirators are not
equipped to protect against them
FYI--there is friable and non friable asbestos products. Non-friable is
relatively safe unless it decays.
Friable needs to be contained or professionally removed.
any building constructed before 1980 is considered to have asbestos in
the USA. it was used in several
thousand building products (ceiling tiles, floor tiles, paints, glues,
caulks as well as heating pipe insulation
or in vermiculite insulation)
not trying to minimize concern, it is important to put asbestos into
perspective. Given all the housing stock
and industrial uses of asbestos--and it is still not illegal in the
US--the number of cases of asbestos or other
related lung conditions is incredibly low.
some people go overboard the otherway stupdily. for ex, i had a plumber
once go into a basement and begin
cutting thru asbestos covered pipe. when asked about his work habits he
poopoo'd me like i was a sissy. that
happened just before the asbestos scare began. but he was a stupid
jerk, being as polite as possible. today he
would not have been allowed into the basement before remediation was done.
What I recommend is that if there is concern about asbestos in the
house, have a professional licensed person
come in to do an inspection, take material samples, and if asbestos is
in a friable state, have air sampling done.
it is worth the cost for peace of mind.
How do I know this? Because I have taken EPA training, and been
licensed to do these inspection surveys. If
asbestos fibers are in the lungs, the medical industry feels it cannot
be removed. Now with homeopathy we
may be able to do that but then you have to consider the impact of
moving asbestos fibers thru the body.
tanya
/
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Jean Doherty
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Re: Asbestosis
Thank you all.
Our Medicare Locals are having a meeting to help with guidelines to deal with fear and distress of finding their accomadation a threat.
I thought of going. There are comprehensive government protocols in place.
As I thought general principles of any trauma treatment apply.
Thank you again.
Jean
Our Medicare Locals are having a meeting to help with guidelines to deal with fear and distress of finding their accomadation a threat.
I thought of going. There are comprehensive government protocols in place.
As I thought general principles of any trauma treatment apply.
Thank you again.
Jean
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John Harvey
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Re: Asbestosis
Hi, Jean --
I'd consider the potential usefulness of Silicea. Whilst obviously it's never caused asbestosis, silica's interestingly similar silicosis is suggestive, and its successful use in expelling other kinds of foreign matter is legendary. I'd think it worth a go, even in a "protective" role: it may (though we'll never know) enable the organism to expel fibres before they really begin to cause trouble.
By the way, Rachel, I think we're talking here not about solid asbestos but about the fluffy stuff, definitely not stable if there's even a bit of a breeze blowing through it. The fluffy form shouldn't be left in place but should be removed with proper air-extraction facilities in place if it's not to pose a continuing danger.
Kind regards,
John
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“Those who have evidence to back up their beliefs do not try to censor opposition.”
—Meryl Dorey, Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network, commenting on hacking and threats by admitted vaccine advocates to prevent the Sunshine Coast Healthy Lifestyle Expo from featuring a public talk on vaccination.
I'd consider the potential usefulness of Silicea. Whilst obviously it's never caused asbestosis, silica's interestingly similar silicosis is suggestive, and its successful use in expelling other kinds of foreign matter is legendary. I'd think it worth a go, even in a "protective" role: it may (though we'll never know) enable the organism to expel fibres before they really begin to cause trouble.
By the way, Rachel, I think we're talking here not about solid asbestos but about the fluffy stuff, definitely not stable if there's even a bit of a breeze blowing through it. The fluffy form shouldn't be left in place but should be removed with proper air-extraction facilities in place if it's not to pose a continuing danger.
Kind regards,
John
--
“Those who have evidence to back up their beliefs do not try to censor opposition.”
—Meryl Dorey, Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network, commenting on hacking and threats by admitted vaccine advocates to prevent the Sunshine Coast Healthy Lifestyle Expo from featuring a public talk on vaccination.
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Asbestosis
Jean
What I didn't see or ask you, is what exactly are the conditions that
are causing stress.
Are you talking about housing complexes or private homes of a certain
age, or what?
Asbestos in schools is a big issue and there very specific regulations
about handling this
and big money has been spent in the country to remove asbestos from
school buildings.
Those standards are often used with other buildings for remediation.
t
What I didn't see or ask you, is what exactly are the conditions that
are causing stress.
Are you talking about housing complexes or private homes of a certain
age, or what?
Asbestos in schools is a big issue and there very specific regulations
about handling this
and big money has been spent in the country to remove asbestos from
school buildings.
Those standards are often used with other buildings for remediation.
t