Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome

[Dale Moss]

Hi, Suriya --

You might research endocrine disrupters, such as plasticizers, herbicides, and pesticides. Homeopathy may not be working because there is a continuing exciting cause. This is going to take some detective work -- and the cause may not be the same in all areas of the world.

Peace,
Cinnabar

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Robyn,

Would he also give sepia 200 each three days? To me this looks like
awesomely aggressive prescribing, but perhaps this is a situation that needs
"aggression" to move it -- but wow, I'd worry... Do you know how *long* he
continues with every three days, and how long it takes to notice less hair,
and whether he looks for M/E indicators in deciding whether to use sep or
aur (or another), and if the M/E state doesn't look like either, does he
give it anyway... Did he elaborate any further?

Thanks!
Shannon
on 11/5/03 5:12 PM, Robyn at folco@tpg.com.au wrote:

[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear List

From what I understand re PCOS is that, due to insulin resistance, the outer
layer of the ovary begins to thicken and one of the sequalae of that is a
rise in testosterone...hence the hirsutism.
Since discovering that, I have, lately begun to use Folliculinum 7C night,
morning, night (split dose!) at ovulation to encourage the ovarian function
to normalise.
This can be done alongside any constitutional treatment as it's a sarcode.
So far, the results seem encouraging with respect to ovulation.
I'd like to see others try this and we could compare results.

regards
Patricia Hatherly

[Lynn Lammer]

I had a client diagnosed with PCOS who was put on the pill at age 16 because
her menses wouldn't stop. She was on the pill for six years, got married
and went off the pill to get pregnant. The flooding periods returned, she
got anemic. Homeopathic treatment started lessening the duration of the
periods for awhile but nothing seemed to help them return to normal. She
ate organic food, was happily married (no sexual desire during the heavy
parts of the period), was significantly overweight (she did lose 35 pounds
after beginning homeopathy), liked her job. The main issues in her life had
to do with her mother's death two years before from ovarian cancer and that
she had lost her only sibling, her brother, to his nasty wife. Her family
was of primary importance. It was very frustrating not to have found a
remedy that would resolve the case.

I've had two other PCOS cases and they resolved, one with Sepia and one with
Phosphorus. The phosphorus case also suffered from SADD which has lessened
but not totally resolved.

I am very interested in PCOS cases and what has worked and why.

Lynn

[WilsonHomeopaths]

hi,
i find the remedies all work much better if the patient does a serious 6 week
liver detox. the liver is about planning as are the issues here. i can give
you more details if required.
sal
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[Robyn]

Shannon Wrote
Hi Shannon,
Up until now I have not wanted to bother saying anything, due to the reactions in the past of listees to this kind of prescription.

Even though he did not state his frequency of Sepia 200 I would suspect he may use a similar frequency to E3D
He doesn't use mental indicators to choose between the remedies speicifically, but I would guess he has a pretty good knowledge of the Remedies and the symptoms they are capable of producing by now, after so many years and would choose that way. If the M/E are important to choosing, he includes them otherwise, no.

The actual symptom grouping that i was referring to is as follows:

Hirsutism in a female
Undue hairs on the face, below chin or around the nipples on areolas, on breasts or sternum and ches, or on arms.
Generally found in girls between 16 to 30 yrs of age
May be due to use of hormones

Dose: Once at intervals of 3 days

Note: Though it is a difficult disease, still cures took place under this drug and by Sepia 200. My very recent experiments have proved Catharanthus 6 acting successfully also in some cases. Proper gouping of symptoms yet could not ve made. This drug Catharanthus has been scientifically introduced in my advanced method by Dr. Santwana Mukherjee.
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I don't feel too comfortable about commenting on his work for various reasions - his work being just one aspect of my knowledge base and practice, but I can say that I believe he is a successful Homoeopath, with a vast amount of experience in treating the most chronic of disease states. I would also like to say that he has documented in his Materia Medica, those symptom groupings that are characteristic and uncommon guiding symptoms of a patient, under which you can find some drugs with their potencies. He has drawn these symptom groupings from 750,000 case records which have provided him with millions and millions of cases. His prescriptions are based on his and his clinic's documented treatments which have been based on much research into their effectiveness (this is his claim).

I have been using his methods with some of my cases, and have not had any problem so far. I have had to adjust sometimes from E3Days to say E5 or 6 days, as the treatment progressed, but this is in line with normal management of any case though, adjusting the dose to the response.

I don't think I am in a position to defend or support this man too loudly, as I said above I have only used his methods on some cases - but, am just providing the list with the information. However, I am prepared to give his methods a go - if it works, then my patients are the lucky ones! If they cause problems, then i should be able to chalk it up to experience which is all I or anyone can be expected to do.

Having said all the above, I suppose I could quote from his Materia medica a small portion that may explain his vantage point re prescriptions:

"Hahnemann could not finalise the frequency of repetition and firstly he urged about single dose. Then repetition at long intervals when the action of the 1st dose or the previous dose ceases. Then in the Aphorism 246 of the Organon of Medicine he writes "But during the last four or five years, however, all these difficulties are wholly solved by my new altered but perfected method. The same carefully selected medicine may now be given daily and for months, if necessary in this way........."

Chronic diseases may require further doses about which he has men- tioned in Aphorism 248 "Thus in chronic, diseases every correctly chosen Homoeopathic medicine, even those whose action is of long duration, may be repeated daily for months with ever increasing success".

In the aphorism 247 he writes "..;...where rapidity is requisite, in chronic diseases resembling cases of acute disease, at still shorter intervals, but in acute diseases at very much shorter periods - every twenty four, twelve, eight, four hours, in the very acutest every hour, up to as often as every five minutes,-"

This means he could not make out any concrete idea or rule about the method or basis for repetition of doses, and still in that ripe old age he was changing the conclusions of the previous years and ages.

Depending on our practical trials we could make out the best suitable frequency of repetition of each drug based on the condition and stages of the disease. This can be found in the PBG (Parimal Banerji Groupings) or in the Advanced Materia Medica. " (P. Banerji, Advanced Homoeopathy and its Materia Medica Volume 1, pps 116-117)
Robyn
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[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear Rochelle

With those who have amenorrhoea I "instigate" a virtual ovulation by
prescribing the Foll 7C once monthly at the time of expected ovulation
(determined on a count-back from last recorded menses).
The idea is to get the ovary performing normally; this will help to reduce
testosterone levels over time.

I've only been doing this this past year so it's too early to declare that
it's a permanent solution to hirsutism (which can have several causes;
irregular ovulation only being one of them). With this regieme the
appearance of ovulation mucous and a menstrual flow 2 weeks later is a
positive sign that it's helping to normalise ovualtion function. That is the
primary aim.

regards
Patricia Hatherly

[Suriya Osman]

Hello Lynn

This is my experience with patients, ie I would be able to help them get
over their menorrhagia and their menses would be somewhat regular but,
the more difficult to treat were the ones with amenorrhea. Also the
infectility was difficult especially since many of these women were
obese because of the PCO!

From the feedback I am getting , looks like a more aggressive aproach
is needed.

btw, calc carb popped in my mind when I was reading your case, did she
get that?

regards

Suriya

Lynn Lammer wrote:
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[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear Tanya

Since she's menstruating (& therefore ovulating) normally now it would seem
that her ovarian functon is OK.
Has she ever been diagnosed with PCOS?

To support her ovulation with Foll 7C each month would be a bit of an
experiment, but worth a try.
Melissa Assilem has flagged that Foll is complementary to Lac-h & I have
verified that in clinical observation on numerous occasions.
Often my Lac-h ladies get ovulation pain &/or intermittent bleeding at
ovulation which is suggestive of when to use the Foll. [NB Not all ladies
who are Lac-h need Foll but it is needed for some]
It might be worth your while to check that your Sepia patient isn't Lac-h;
the "indifference" is strong in both; so is the anger. In fact, [as an
aside] these days (IMO) Lac-h scores much more highly in a DD for post natal
depression in breastfeeding women than Sepia does.

regards
Patricia Hatherly

[Joy Lucas]

Unfortunately this is problem one encounters regardless of what the diseased
state is.

Three cases that I can remember only had one follow up and that was it, I
didn't hear from them for some months but the news was always good. One case
never came back, and one took over a year to stabilise. So the time line
overall, without checking details of the cases are all about and within one
year. But in an ideal world I would want things to be improving after at
least 3 menstrual cycles (or 3 months if they are not having periods) - that
is a good time to reassess I my opinion.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/5/03 10:57 PM, Suriya at suriyak56@time.net.my wrote:

Joy Lucas wrote:

Dear Joy

Can you give me a time frame , how long did it take to treat such cases?
I think my problem is that many do not come back for follow up and I m
not sure if it is because they are better or what!
regards
Suriya
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