sick cat follow up

[Tanya Marquette]

I had an animal communicator work with my cat Tiny this a.m.
Some interesting things came out of it.
1. He has no problem with eating itself—no mouth or swallowing problems
2. He gets severe nausea as soon as he eats—but he does not vomit, or choke, or any
other type of visible reaction.
3. He feels a sensation of vibration in his body. It is not a muscular weakness.
4. He is hungry but loses his desire to eat anything as all food tried causes the nausea
5. But he keeps trying. He takes in 1-2 oz of food as about all he can handle.
6. Likes to go out but it is very cold here so this is not happening much—maybe
a few minutes on the front step in the sun before he wants back inside.
7. Likes warmth as by the wood stove or on thick blankets, or my lap
8. Is thirsty which is unusual for him.
9. Some sense of pressure in the middle of the abdomen—like after eating a very large meal
10. No visible pain on palpating the area.
11, He told the communicator that he really appreciated my trying to find different foods
that might be able to eat.
Communicator thought to look at heart, kidney or cancer issues.
Have been giving him some vit C, 2-3x/daily
Also the CS
Took Irene’s suggestion and gave him 1 dose of Acon 200c. Luckily that is all
I had on hand. Other potencies: 30, 1M on hand. It seemed to have helped
a bit and he ate a little bit more for one day.
Did a ph of his urine with a litmus strip. It read betw 6-7, closer to 7
Okay, I broke down and took Tiny to a vet. Not a memorable experience.
He saw nothing wrong in particular. No temperature/fever.
Said his tonsils were swollen but there is no problem with swallowing.
Because Tiny is a big cat, he thought he had enough fat to withstand a
couple of days with minimal food! Tiny weighed about 12.5#. He has
lost some weight this past week. But he is a very round cat and looks very
large. Vet thought the fast would help the liver detox.
That sort of tells me he thought Tiny was overweight and not eating well
despite what I reported.
I had to ask several times about blood work to check out the liver and kidneys.
He finally drew some blood and will have at least some of the results back by
tomorrow (Sunday morning).
Can’t believe how cooperative my cat was. Given the stressfulness of the situation,
he traveled without a carrying case, sitting quietly on my lap once I began to drive.
On the way back he lay on the seat next to me without any visible stress. At the vet’s
he stayed on my lap and then on the exam table without any fussing. He was not
lethargic; it seemed more like he was trusting me to try and take care of him.
He is a cat with a very strong mind of his own and an attitude about his perceptions
of things—he knows how things are supposed to be!
He can be very aggressive with other cats that cross his boundaries, but when we had
this obnoxious guest cat a year ago, Tiny never once fought with him after I told him
that we needed to treat this displaced cat with kindness. The guest cat took Tiny’s passivity
as a sign that he could be an aggressive alpha male so the situation became unbearable
and Tiny was super stressed out. That guest cat became a guest no more and it took
several months to bring Tiny back into the house and feel comfortable again. He still
won’t eat in the kitchen.
I did a repertorization of the case but would interested in what other people see in it
for a remedy.
tanya

[Irene de Villiers]

Dear Tamarque,

This is very telling, it shoudl be 5.5. Any more and he may block from struvite crystals.
Animal protein food lowers pH.
Plant food raises it.
It can also be raised by an anerobic bladder infection bacterium.
They fight infections so he may have some kind of issue going on.
Anyone who knows anything at all about feline metabolism, will never suggest a cat ever be fasted. It is the fastest way to put a sick cat into serious ketosis, and unlike other species, once that happens it is incredibly difficult to get them out of it. Fasting a cat is also the fastest way to crash their liver and also to cause steatitis which is very painful.

Vets do not study feline metabolism by the way - they get a course in "small animals". So "whatever works for a vegetarian rabbit works for an obligate carnivore" by that lumped together approach .... horrible concept.
SO basically standard vet training is woefully useless when it comes to cats and how they work. Cats work differently - very differently - from any other species except perhaps ferrets.
The opposite of fasting is needed for cats..... a lot of very tiny, frequent meals.
If Tiny was my kitty I'd use all meat baby food well dissolved, in frequent small meals., preferably with a pinch of taurine powder, and a drop of plain fish oil from a pricked capsule.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

Irene,

What role does taurine play -- what are effects of its deficiency?
Thanks,
Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

HI Shannon,
Cats can not make their own taurine as we can. ANy canned or processed food loses it, and fish loses it fastest of all after death.
The lack of it casues blindness and heart failure and several other problems.
There is no excess effect known so it is always safe to add some.

Namaste,
Irene

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www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Tanya Marquette]

I did not say I liked or trusted this vet. Actually, there are very few that
would gain my trust. However, it was freezing and snowing and this guy
was the closest. I am only reporting what he said. He did not even want
to do a blood panel and I had to tell him that is why I brought the cat in.
This a.m. he called to say Tiny has Diabetes and his blood sugar level was
365. Now he wants a urine sample for tomorrow, Monday. The other blood
test results should be in on Monday, too.
The vet is also talking ketosis and saying that is what is causing the nausea which is
preventing the cat from eating. He gets nauseous whenever he eats so
has backed off eating. He has tried everything I put out but cannot
tolerate the nausea.
I gave him Sulph 200c this a.m before talking with the vet to see if it
wouldn’t calm the nausea and help him eat.
I was away all day and when I came home my cat looked a bit better but
his behavior was a bit weird for him. He was acting a bit anxious to come
to me. He would come close and then back away. May be that he was
anxious about me putting something into his mouth again. He did try to
eat but took only a mouthful, hung out at the food a bit, and then walked away.
I think he drank quite a bit as he looked ‘fuller’ than in the morning.
I picked up material to do hydration.
What can you say about dealing with diabetes in a cat? What might have
caused it? Despite your mentioning vegetables and fruit, this cat did not
get those foods. His diet was very high meat protein—not meal by-products.
Could stress have set off the dynamic?
Have you had any success in treating diabetes homeopathically?
tanya
From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:46 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] sick cat follow up
Dear Tamarque,

This is very telling, it shoudl be 5.5. Any more and he may block from struvite crystals.
Animal protein food lowers pH.
Plant food raises it.
It can also be raised by an anerobic bladder infection bacterium.
They fight infections so he may have some kind of issue going on.
Anyone who knows anything at all about feline metabolism, will never suggest a cat ever be fasted. It is the fastest way to put a sick cat into serious ketosis, and unlike other species, once that happens it is incredibly difficult to get them out of it. Fasting a cat is also the fastest way to crash their liver and also to cause steatitis which is very painful.

Vets do not study feline metabolism by the way - they get a course in "small animals". So "whatever works for a vegetarian rabbit works for an obligate carnivore" by that lumped together approach .... horrible concept.
SO basically standard vet training is woefully useless when it comes to cats and how they work. Cats work differently - very differently - from any other species except perhaps ferrets.

The opposite of fasting is needed for cats..... a lot of very tiny, frequent meals.
If Tiny was my kitty I'd use all meat baby food well dissolved, in frequent small meals., preferably with a pinch of taurine powder, and a drop of plain fish oil from a pricked capsule.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Hi,
I can only say it is usually some aspect of the food or rate of feeding. Cats need to always have protein food available. I could comment more if I knew what a typical day's food amount and timing looked like, includig all that he eats, including plants outside if any, supplements etc. There has to be a trigger.
By itself, I think it unlikley..... But very prolonged stress can cause abdominal obesity and that can cause a problem of diabetes indirectly, from the cortisol produced by that fat adn which also increases insulin production causing insulin resistance. SO here with overwewight a possibility, that may be the case.

You can not just put a cat on a diet, it has to be done a particular way to avoid the ketosis and fatty liver disease issues, but it is doable.

Feline diabetes is like a modified version of human type 2 diabetes.
It is modified in that cats tend to deposit amylase bodies in the pancreas, destroying pancreas tissue thus destroying the ability to make insulin. SO most vets pout them on insulin right away.

BUT it is usually reversible, with diet and a matched remedy.
SOme cats,m especially older ones, need to be careful of diet the rest of th eir lives, the pancreas damage repairs less easily in them.
But I have not yet met a cat who did not recover enough on diet and homeopathy to be off isulin for life with good glucose (in cats they usually use fructosamine readings instead of glucose but actually any human glucometer is good for cats too) readings with just the right diet.
Generally yes as above.

Also, here is a protocol for getting cats out of ketosis:
(Written for the less enlightened, I have not edited)
REMEDY NEEDED:
It needs Phosphorus 30C (or Phosphorus 200C is okay if you only have it)
homeopathic remedy which is fairly readily available anywhere
homeopathic remedies are sold.
(Do not confuse with phosphoric acid 30C, it is just phosphorus 30C)
Or you can get it from washington homeopathics in MD or
homeopthyovernight.com
Food needed: Suggest Hills a/d diluted 50/50 with water or pedialyte.
If you cannot get it, try with all meat baby food, and a tiny pinch of lite salt (half KCl).
DO not gag at the ingredients of a/d, it has the necessary minerals etc for this emergency use.
This can be given by syringe without needle or child's medicine dropper if the cat is refusing food.
This is also something to keep in the first aid cupboard.

MAKING REMEDY READY TO USE:
Put a tablet or a few globules into 3/4 cup water in a glass container
like a clean jam jar or clean juice bottle etc. (Keep one in the first
aid cupboard.) In a pinch use a drinking glass and cover it as best you
can. Don't touch the remedy with fingers. Get it to dissolve. Then shake
it hard against something like a phone book or your thigh, 10 to 100 times.
This energizes the water you use for dilution and makes it into
potentized remedy, ready to use. This is dosed half ml to 1 ml per dose using an
eye dropper or medicine dropper or syringe without needle, by mouth.
I'll call the remedy Phos.

PROTOCOL - it takes a lot of patience but nearly always works, and it
has saved the life of many a kitten or cat: DO not rush and do not skip a step.
You MUST shake the liquid between doses, 3 to 10 times. This
increases the potency a tiny bit for each dose and the body sees it as a
new remedy and keeps responding.
ANY time a step does not work and there is vomiting, go back to the
beginning and start again.
Okay here's the routine and check off each step as you go:

Give one dose phos every 15 minutes for 3 doses. Wait 15 mins.
Give one ml of food. Wait 15 mins.
(1 hour has gone by)
Give 1 dose phos, wait 15 mins
Give 1 ml food, wait 15 mins.
Give 1 dose phos, wait 15 mins
Give 1 ml food, wait 15 mins
(2 hrs gone by)
Give 1 dose phos, wait 15 mins.
Give 5 ml food, wait 15 mins.
Do 1 dose phos, wait 15 mins.
Do 5 ml food, wait 15 mins.
(3rd hour gone by)
Do 1 dose phos alternating with 5 ml food every 10 minutes so that it is
3 of each per hour, for 2 hours.
By now it is 5 hours since you started (or more if you had to start
over) and you have given 43 mls of food. It's not a lot but chances are
it is enough to get things balanced again.
Reduce to 1 dose of phos per hour now, and offer food 15 minutes after
each dose, gradually increasing the food if the cat is not already
asking for it.
If you get this far you are out of the woods, and hopefully this buys
time to get the real problem looked into.

Namaste,
Irene
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www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Tanya Marquette]

thanks Irene. Quite the protocol to follow. Seems like I need to
get to the supermarket asap this morning and change schedule to
sit with cat all day. Of course I have Phos in the house.

What do you think of the remedy Iris for pancreas issues or the remedy
from the pancreas itself?

Stress factors that I know of in Tiny's life
abandoned on the road/street at age 1
fed mounds of very cheap kibble by local person every evening for about
3 years till I took him

2 yrs ago took in a guest cat who turned into a major bully. had told
Tiny to not fight with him
and guest cat took it to mean he could become an alpha cat. Tiny was
very stressed out and
spent more and more time outside. He exhibited high anxiety when
inside. This went on for
about 10 months till guest cat was removed. Took several months of
coaxing Tiny back inside
but he remained very anxious whenever he did anything, including eating.
I often fed him outside
as he wouldn't eat in the house such was the level of anxiety.
During this period he blew up. I thought his adrenals were over
taxed at the time. He never
lost this bloatedness

You ask about eating habits:
He usually gets fed about 6-7 a.m. and again about 5-7 pm. However, due
to scheduling this
is not a rigid timing.

If he has eaten outside then he may not come looking for food till some
odd hour.

Outdoors I have no idea of his eating habits. He wanders over several
properties where
everyone has animals. I asked one neighbor to stop putting kibble out
for him. Another
neighbor refuses to respect my requests and it has caused conflict betw
us.

I have seen him forage birds, squirrels, baby rabbits, chipmunks. He is
very proud of being
a good hunter and being able to take care of himself.

I have also seen him chew on different grasses on occasion in the warmer
weather. Cannot
till you what grasses they are but he seems to be selective.

Would never drink water in the house but have seen him drink minimally
out of puddles outdoors.

His food has always been wet food. As stated previously it is organic
raw chicken ground up and
frozen before feeding. Periodically I get canned Wellness. Those cans
have no BPA in them and
the company uses human grade meat, not meat by-products or meal. No
grains. Not loaded with
fruit/vegs. Very high meat protein content. He likes the turkey,
herring, chicken varieties. I don't
get beef as it seems not species appropriate.

He often prefers to let his food sit for awhile before eating it.

I awoke this a.m and all the food was gone from last nite.
He came looking for food and I gave him a small piece of org turkey that
I thawed out last nite.
He actually ate most of it. Could the Sulph 200c been of significant
help in the controlling the
nausea?

tanya

[Tanya Marquette]

Oh one other question:

Your suggest a mineralized salt. Would Celtic sea salt be adequate
for mineral content?

t

[Dale Moss]

This is an intriguing protocol, Irene. Thank you for sharing it with us.

I was wondering if, in your experience, sarcodes are helpful in treating
glandular disorders?

Peace,
Dale

[Irene de Villiers]

Hope it worked?
Have not needed either so far.
That is enough to trigger diabetes.
The physical stress was then maintained by emotional stress:
But it is only twice a day so that's a big potential problem, whatever is fed.
(potential as he has outside acess)
Not good..

Household water bowls need to be wide enough to accommodate whiskers (like outdoor puddles do) as cats cannot see close up and do not want their noses dunked while breathing. ALso need opaque water bowls as trasparent prevent sseeing the water surface. Second hand opaque punch bowls work well - so do toilets
Cooked is better. Raw grows bacteria and they double every 20 mins after slaughter, cuaing depletion of feline antioxidants to detoxify its suface toxins and bacterial by-products. Those (except salmonella) are destroyed in cooking. So cooked is better, and loses no nutrients.
Which has fruit and veg toxins.
They are loaded with fruit and veg.
One small berry is too much. The cat cannot metabolize it and is poisoned by it.
It also can explain the high urine pH that damages kidneys, it does not take much.
The correct fruit and veg is ZERO.
Otherwsie it is like good meat with poison sauce - does not take much poison to poison the cat.
I agree, but experience shows some cats do well on beef. They do not do well on pork except maybe liver.
Is it out of the fridge and cold when he does that?
Oh an excellent sign.
Don't know. But some people often start a case with Sulph.
Just glad he is over the ketosis, it can be very hard to reverse in cats.

If memory serves, Celtic sea salt (or any sea salt) is about 85% sodium salt. May as well be table salt.
I dunno why people do not see that sea salt is just sodium chloride with contaminants. Even if the contaminants are potentially beneficial, it is still nearly all sodium salt.
To help potassium levels, one needs at least 50% to be potassium chloride.

FAR better to use potassium salt or light salt and NOT sea salt, and to feed/use no-salt-added Nori sheets for the trace minerals found in the sea. Including for cats - most love a bit of Nori.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."