- 35 Degree Celsious

[Maria Bohle]

Please let us know how his case progresses.

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[Rochelle]

I like the idea of Dulc . It is what Dr A. U. Ramakrishnan always gives for ailments from change of temperature which is what the problem seems to have been.
Rochelle
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Sent: 22 January 2014 07:30
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: - 35 Degree Celsious
Hi Shakir,

Looking at Dulc a little closer:
Dulc. - “.................We find as the very central point around which all the other symptoms of the drug group, this one: aggravation from cold, damp weather or from changes from hot to cold weather, especially if these changes are sudden.” Farrington MM

Atb,

Leilanae
It’s useful in rheumatism
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Rheumatism:
Any of several pathological conditions of the muscles, tendons, joints, bones, or nerves, characterized by discomfort and disability.
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[ShakirMM]

Right, Rochelle! Dulc. is the first remedy if cause is the change of temperature particularly from hot days to cold nights but this case is a kind of an exposure to a frosty temperature causing pain thereafter in lower limbs (right leg). Though we don't have a proving of that kind or a rubric covering this situation but the main remedy which can be thought of is Rhus tox.

Today I called the patient to explain how his night was and how about moving about in the morning? He was satisfied and feeling no distress as yet. I think Rhus tox has made something good for him.
Shakir
I like the idea of Dulc . It is what Dr A. U. Ramakrishnan always gives for ailments from change of temperature which is what the problem seems to have been.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of leilanae@verizon.net
Sent: 22 January 2014 07:30
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: - 35 Degree Celsious
Hi Shakir,

Looking at Dulc a little closer:
Dulc. - “.................We find as the very central point around which all the other symptoms of the drug group, this one: aggravation from cold, damp weather or from changes from hot to cold weather, especially if these changes are sudden.” Farrington MM

Atb,

Leilanae
It’s useful in rheumatism
-----------------

Rheumatism:
Any of several pathological conditions of the muscles, tendons, joints, bones, or nerves, characterized by discomfort and disability.
---------------

[Ellen Madono]

So you think the problem is rheumatic in nature. Both Dulc and Rhus would fill that bill. Too bad you don't have other differentials. That's why I like confirmatory methods like HFA (homeopathic facial analysis) of Dr. Shahrdar's miasmatic method.

[ShakirMM]

With due regards
I don't like HFA as it doesn't confirm as other tools of homeopathy do. Yes miasmatic analysis of Dr. Shahdar is a nice way to confirm for a chronic miasmatic remedy in paucity of symptoms only. Where the condition is acute and symptom fall in Level 3 we do not need GE.
Shakir
So you think the problem is rheumatic in nature. Both Dulc and Rhus would fill that bill. Too bad you don't have other differentials. That's why I like confirmatory methods like HFA (homeopathic facial analysis) of Dr. Shahrdar's miasmatic method.

[Rochelle]

Well done Shakir!!
Rochelle
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Sent: 23 January 2014 04:20
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: - 35 Degree Celsious
Right, Rochelle! Dulc. is the first remedy if cause is the change of temperature particularly from hot days to cold nights but this case is a kind of an exposure to a frosty temperature causing pain thereafter in lower limbs (right leg). Though we don't have a proving of that kind or a rubric covering this situation but the main remedy which can be thought of is Rhus tox.

Today I called the patient to explain how his night was and how about moving about in the morning? He was satisfied and feeling no distress as yet. I think Rhus tox has made something good for him.
Shakir
I like the idea of Dulc . It is what Dr A. U. Ramakrishnan always gives for ailments from change of temperature which is what the problem seems to have been.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of leilanae@verizon.net
Sent: 22 January 2014 07:30
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: - 35 Degree Celsious
Hi Shakir,

Looking at Dulc a little closer:
Dulc. - “.................We find as the very central point around which all the other symptoms of the drug group, this one: aggravation from cold, damp weather or from changes from hot to cold weather, especially if these changes are sudden.” Farrington MM

Atb,

Leilanae
It’s useful in rheumatism
-----------------

Rheumatism:
Any of several pathological conditions of the muscles, tendons, joints, bones, or nerves, characterized by discomfort and disability.
---------------

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Shakir,

When you say level 3, do people know what you are talking about? Are most people reading Vithoulkas's Levels of Health. I think they should be, but I do not sense that most homeopaths put it high on the book shelf next to his other work, the Science of Homeopathy. I could be wrong since I am not a big internet surfer.

With all due respect, on what authority are you judging HFA (homeopathic Facial Analysis)?

As you say, you had a case that did not fit Shahrdar's work. But, you had a paucity of symptoms, it seems. So, you think educated guesses are superior to other researched methods?

Your intuition is significant, but personally I try to make intuition my last recourse.

Thanks,
Ellen

[ShakirMM]

Hi Ellen,
Please don't take it personal what I wrote previously.

1. I don't find HFA way of analysis in Organon
2. For testing it I used it for few times and couldn't find satisfactory results. So I don't like it. Now liking and disliking is purely personal. If you are getting results then fine for you.
3. I like Shahdrar's work, I just said, it works the best where paucity of symptom is. If symptoms are clear we should rely on all those, whatsoever they are. Yes to confirm we should use it if we could collect all bits and pieces of previous miasmatic effects.
With regards,
Shakir
Hi Shakir,

When you say level 3, do people know what you are talking about? Are most people reading Vithoulkas's Levels of Health. I think they should be, but I do not sense that most homeopaths put it high on the book shelf next to his other work, the Science of Homeopathy. I could be wrong since I am not a big internet surfer.

With all due respect, on what authority are you judging HFA (homeopathic Facial Analysis)?

As you say, you had a case that did not fit Shahrdar's work. But, you had a paucity of symptoms, it seems. So, you think educated guesses are superior to other researched methods?

Your intuition is significant, but personally I try to make intuition my last recourse.

Thanks,
Ellen

[Ellen Madono]

Dear Shakir,

HFA is much too complicated and detailed to just try to see if it works. A little knowledge won't take you very far.

Just for the record, I'll quickly try to explain to what extent Bentley's thought is similar to Hahnemann's.The research of HFA starts with the basic miasmatic remedies that we all are pretty sure of. Just like Hahnemann, Bentely uses external characteristics to identify each group. This is the kind of thinking that Irene has been discussing with me in relation to genotypes. She's not talking about some rule that you might figure out from the Organon. Rather she's basing her thought on the basic assumption that external symptoms can exist as a pattern, or a whole, representing a disease state but not necessarily as a causal relationship. Facial features are like symptoms. Instead of miasma's, he calls them color groups because colors don't imply pathology. I think he differs with Hahnemann here, Because Hahnemann literally meant that a miasm is an epidemic disease. Bentley's color groups represent energy patterns that the individual uses to survive. I know energy pattern sounds a bit abstract, but some people are outgoing, some are inward and some run around in circles. Those are energy patterns. Likewise, syphiltic states are inwardly destructive. Psoric disease tends to move outward toward the skin. Sycotic Diseases are busy accumulating extra cells . Those are basically Hahnemann's three miasms. Bentley uses a lot of metaphoric thinking to expand the description of each color group and to discover further color groups.

To be concrete, Bentley first cataloged the facial features for, for example, thuja,sulphur and aurum. He figured out the ratio of each feature by averaging many cured cases. As the well-known remedies appeared to have the same ratios of facial features, he began to identify similar ratios among other remedies that belong to each group but that were more ambiguous.

Blessings,
Ellen

[ShakirMM]

Thanks Ellen for that intro.

My best,
Shakir
Dear Shakir,

HFA is much too complicated and detailed to just try to see if it works. A little knowledge won't take you very far.

Just for the record, I'll quickly try to explain to what extent Bentley's thought is similar to Hahnemann's.The research of HFA starts with the basic miasmatic remedies that we all are pretty sure of. Just like Hahnemann, Bentely uses external characteristics to identify each group. This is the kind of thinking that Irene has been discussing with me in relation to genotypes. She's not talking about some rule that you might figure out from the Organon. Rather she's basing her thought on the basic assumption that external symptoms can exist as a pattern, or a whole, representing a disease state but not necessarily as a causal relationship. Facial features are like symptoms. Instead of miasma's, he calls them color groups because colors don't imply pathology. I think he differs with Hahnemann here, Because Hahnemann literally meant that a miasm is an epidemic disease. Bentley's color groups represent energy patterns that the individual uses to survive. I know energy pattern sounds a bit abstract, but some people are outgoing, some are inward and some run around in circles. Those are energy patterns. Likewise, syphiltic states are inwardly destructive. Psoric disease tends to move outward toward the skin. Sycotic Diseases are busy accumulating extra cells . Those are basically Hahnemann's three miasms. Bentley uses a lot of metaphoric thinking to expand the description of each color group and to discover further color groups.

To be concrete, Bentley first cataloged the facial features for, for example, thuja,sulphur and aurum. He figured out the ratio of each feature by averaging many cured cases. As the well-known remedies appeared to have the same ratios of facial features, he began to identify similar ratios among other remedies that belong to each group but that were more ambiguous.

Blessings,
Ellen