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[John Harvey]

Hi, Joe; couldn't agree more. And "homoeopathic osteopathy" does initially appeal as distinguishing it from homoeopathy. But then I look through an outsider's eyes at the term and think that it will still give an impression that the osteopathy practice of "homoeopathic osteopathy" is part and parcel of homoeopathy. The only thing I can think to do to resolve that is perhaps to invent a term that conveys the same thing without the potential for such confusion. Any ideas? I suppose "reproductive osteopathy" could sow its own confusions…

John

[Ellen Madono]

Hi John,
John says: Knowledge born of experiment and observation -
Ellen asks: What is to prevent the dowser, or the homeopath who uses clinical evidence of efficacy from saying they are also using your definition?
I think you want to say that the admissable experimental evidence is provings. Why be vague?
It is hard for me to read your legalistic abstractions, but principles are not self evident. For my personal purposes, I don't care what Hahnemann says about his perceptions. For me, you need to be explicit and in my case, concrete. I need to understand. I don't have to ask Hahnemann to understand. What is not self-evident to me is already self evident to him.
Best,
Ellen

[Ellen Madono]

Sorry, I think I tacked the previous reponse on to the wrong email sequence. John made the quoted remark in perhaps another place. I can't even find it now. Groan. Gotta get work done.
Bye

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

No ideas, that is the whole point of a discussion, although....how about osteopathic homeopathy??? but then that goes against the definition of homeopathy needing a proved remedy.......
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind" www.naturamedica.webs.com

[John Harvey]

Well, to try to reply constructively regardless: what prevents both the dowser and the accidental discoverer of a cure from claiming to use the homoeopathic method is that it is precisely this uniquely obtained knowledge of a medicine's pure effects that distinguishes it from dowsing, from empirical medicine (including herbalism), and in particular from allopathy.

It's the provings themselves that offer the guide that only homoeopaths use, and it's only via the provings that homoeopaths can practise any homoeopathy. Without provings, we're just herbalists and troublemakers.

Cheers!

John

[John Harvey]

Yes, I think it's rather more confusing than the earlier suggestion. You don't think "reproductive osteopathy" is clear enough either, do you. Okay, maybe… "restoropathy"? Or "biomimetics" or "biomimicry" or "biomimetic osteopathy"? I can keep them coming until you cry "Uncle"!

Cheers --

John

[Ellen Madono]

Hi John
Ok, where possible, we should use terms that homeopaths understand, such as provings. An introductory statement may us "emperical evidence" in place of proving, but we need to be specific in the words we choose.
Please Don't reply here. My computer disabilities are causing this confusion. I will tack this reply on to the other reply. groan.

Best,
Ellen

[Ellen Madono]

Hi John
I am tacking this on to the other flow of conversation to avoid disrupting Dr. Roz's question about other homeopathy like practices such as osteopathy.
Here is my reply;
Ok, where possible, we should use terms that homeopaths understand, such as provings. An introductory statement may us "emperical evidence" in place of proving, but we need to be specific in the words we choose.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Uncle & Nephew!!!!!!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind" www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Ellen Madono]

What?