hospice and end of life

[Mary Salvador]

Hi Sheri
I might be more inclined to listen to the person not eating.......we don’t know what they want. Last month my M-I-L told me she was through with everything, I questioned her and when I was satisfied with what I could get out of her, I gave her permission to leave this plane of existence....at some level she understood because she quit eating a couple of weeks later.
I can see where things can go terribly wrong though, that is why one must have a durable Power of Attorney and a DNR, if that is what is wanted.
My M-I-L was adamant about end of life procedures and wanted no invasive procedures to keep her alive.....spoon fed is okay if she wants to take food, but she is not to be force fed, that is where Hospice and I agree 100%
Like all of life, nothing is certain and yes, hospice can be a bad thing....
Mary Salvador
well, I would suggest that people need food and can't always go by what they choose, in many cases, unless truly endstage and we don't know that in all cases
Sheri
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[healthinfo6]

Mary,
You seem well informed, many are not.
One problem is many elderly lose the ability to swallow. Thus need for a feeding tube.
If the elder is unable to speak or communicate, has mental issues and is confused, does one not nourish them? and assume they don't want to eat and die?
In my father's case, he loved life, loved people, unlike me loved food and never expressed any desire to die. While he became out of it toward the end, I even had to choose to have him operated on for an aortic aneurysm that was close to bursting. While I knew he wasn't going to live long, I couldn't in good conscious not do the operation and end up having it burst causing his death immediately.
The morning he died, the nursing home called me at 6am saying he stopped breathing and had been singing a religious song earlier, they asked me do I want them to try to resuscitate him. I said YES because I knew he didn't want to leave this earth.
I can honestly say I have no guilts and honored my father's desires without explicitly discussing them but so glad I didn't put him in hospice which was being pushed on me by "caring" social workers.
Susan

[Maria Bohle]

When my husband was dying, I called in hospice. They were absolutely wonderful with him and me. I had to sign the advanced directive and I am positive he wanted that. They gave compassionate care, comfort and guidance during this time. ( I kept him home, and he wanted that also.). Hospice in my area is trained for end of life care and they did that service to perfection both for Franz and my mom who died a year before he did. I will forever be grateful and thankful for their help.

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[Tanya Marquette]

I have only heard good things about Hospice. Never heard of them trying to force
decisions on people—the dying or the surviving.
t
From: Maria Bohle
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life

When my husband was dying, I called in hospice. They were absolutely wonderful with him and me. I had to sign the advanced directive and I am positive he wanted that. They gave compassionate care, comfort and guidance during this time. ( I kept him home, and he wanted that also.). Hospice in my area is trained for end of life care and they did that service to perfection both for Franz and my mom who died a year before he did. I will forever be grateful and thankful for their help.

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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Indeed, I have also heard good things about our local hospices.

In UK they are mainly financed by charity fund raising. One of them requires £10,000 a day to operate!
At hospitals, we have had the discredited Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP). This basically denied food and water until the patient died effectively of dehydration. I would not wish this on any one and would consider it extremely cruel.

Pls see http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/ ... thway.aspx
Consider also how Ars Alb would ease a dying patient to the other World with undue anxiety and fear of dying!
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tamarque
Sent: 06 January 2014 12:27
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
I have only heard good things about Hospice. Never heard of them trying to force

decisions on people—the dying or the surviving.
t
From: Maria Bohle

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:08 AM

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
When my husband was dying, I called in hospice. They were absolutely wonderful with him and me. I had to sign the advanced directive and I am positive he wanted that. They gave compassionate care, comfort and guidance during this time. ( I kept him home, and he wanted that also.). Hospice in my area is trained for end of life care and they did that service to perfection both for Franz and my mom who died a year before he did. I will forever be grateful and thankful for their help.

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[Maria Bohle]

I am sorry to hear of the Liverpool experience. So sad, but I am sure it does happen. When my mom was dying, a well intentioned sibling gave her a double dose of Morphine (allopathic medical practitioner), Ma was used to less than a half dose and rarely had to take that with the homeopathics. Ma was gasping for breath, moaning and was very agitated. The minute sister left, 10M of Arsenicum was given and the whole stressful response to the opiate disapeared. Within 15 minutes Ma was comfortable, breathing well and serene. She passed later that night and it was the most beautiful passing, soft and gentle. The hospice workers, the chaplain, and several other people who had been in attendance remarked on how peaceful she looked and smooth her passing was, they all said it was a great blessing and I felt the same way.

Homeopathy is the best and i am so grateful to be a practitioner and be able to witness miracles all the time.

Maria
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[Roger B]

I have been there literally and actually, and I can say with the authority of experience that Soroush is right with his perspective of "ease a dying patient to the other World" rather than the other perspective given here recently of "pass quietly into the good night"

Roger Bird
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From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:21:07 +0000
Subject: RE: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
Indeed, I have also heard good things about our local hospices.

In UK they are mainly financed by charity fund raising. One of them requires £10,000 a day to operate!
At hospitals, we have had the discredited Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP). This basically denied food and water until the patient died effectively of dehydration. I would not wish this on any one and would consider it extremely cruel.

Pls see http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/ ... thway.aspx
Consider also how Ars Alb would ease a dying patient to the other World with undue anxiety and fear of dying!
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tamarque
Sent: 06 January 2014 12:27
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
I have only heard good things about Hospice. Never heard of them trying to force

decisions on people—the dying or the surviving.
t
From: Maria Bohle

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:08 AM

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
When my husband was dying, I called in hospice. They were absolutely wonderful with him and me. I had to sign the advanced directive and I am positive he wanted that. They gave compassionate care, comfort and guidance during this time. ( I kept him home, and he wanted that also.). Hospice in my area is trained for end of life care and they did that service to perfection both for Franz and my mom who died a year before he did. I will forever be grateful and thankful for their help.

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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

And lets remember folks, that if you want to go to Heaven, you have to die first!!

Simples!!

So let us to our best to make it peaceful and serene and calm and as pain-free as possible!

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 06 January 2014 15:47
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
I have been there literally and actually, and I can say with the authority of experience that Soroush is right with his perspective of "ease a dying patient to the other World" rather than the other perspective given here recently of "pass quietly into the good night"

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:21:07 +0000
Subject: RE: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
Indeed, I have also heard good things about our local hospices.

In UK they are mainly financed by charity fund raising. One of them requires £10,000 a day to operate!
At hospitals, we have had the discredited Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP). This basically denied food and water until the patient died effectively of dehydration. I would not wish this on any one and would consider it extremely cruel.

Pls see http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/ ... thway.aspx
Consider also how Ars Alb would ease a dying patient to the other World with undue anxiety and fear of dying!
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tamarque
Sent: 06 January 2014 12:27
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
I have only heard good things about Hospice. Never heard of them trying to force

decisions on people—the dying or the surviving.
t
From: Maria Bohle

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:08 AM

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Minutus] hospice and end of life
When my husband was dying, I called in hospice. They were absolutely wonderful with him and me. I had to sign the advanced directive and I am positive he wanted that. They gave compassionate care, comfort and guidance during this time. ( I kept him home, and he wanted that also.). Hospice in my area is trained for end of life care and they did that service to perfection both for Franz and my mom who died a year before he did. I will forever be grateful and thankful for their help.

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[Mary Salvador]

Good Morning Susan
What the dying person wants is most important. That is what we have to follow, it sounds as though you did exactly that with your father. Well done.
As others have discussed here about the situation, I did use homeopathy with my dear M-I-L, that is why she has lasted as long as she has, but it was not HER wish, but my (and her children’s) wish that we try to make her better......all it did was stop and slightly reduce the mental deterioration for about 5 years, she had to be put into a skilled nursing home, against her wishes. It had to be done, but I feel very guilty about keeping her alive and living in a place that she hates. Poor mom refused to wear adult protection and defecated in her pants daily, she got feces on the floor, her feet, her hair, on her face, on the walls on the carpet....she was combative, she would not shower.....my husband, her first son, could not handle the situation and he made the decision to put her in a nursing home 7 years ago.
I do know about Ars. Alb. My dear M-I-L cannot make the decision to take it on her own, and until she is completely bedridden and non responsive, I will not give her a dose.....dying....I have seen too much of it lately.
Everyone, have a very good day!
Mary Salvador
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[Sheri Nakken]

there are many different hospice care agencies and all are NOT created equal.
Was NOT happy with the one we had for my dad. Though, it didn't matter so much as I was caring for him for the 7 weeks from diagnosis till death.
But didn't give me much respite and there were many other issues. But that was one group.

I have worked for other hospices in the past, as a nurse, and was pleased with them
Sheri

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