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Irene de Villiers
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Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Irene de Villiers »

They can but not as easily.
USA is so huge that it has many more layers of beurocracy, each of which iis extremely expensive to penetrate, and each of which has much higher money amounts spent against homeoapathy.

In my case as an example, there are plenty of laws that shoud be effective but none is working.
In princpke, one needs to start at local state level, then state appeal, then state supreme court then USA appeal court then USA supreme court. That is a lot more layers than is needed in a low population place like New Zealand and each layer is enormously more expensive to litigate/lobby/change rules, etc that the previous one.

The chiropractors in USA already went all the way to the supreme court and won on anti-trust grounds, proving that the AMA was runing a campaign against them to keep them out of their own profession - but the costs to go through all those layers are enormous. The sheer size and funding behind AMA and AVMA, has put barriers in place funded by drug and food companies that are hard to stop.
The Justice Dept made rules to put a stop to Fraud in the medcal business (started by Janet Reno) but it has been subverted by AVMA as a movement to criminalize alternative medicine instead. The campaign is illegal on anti-trust grounds alone, but it continues, and they have handed out a publiicaion they developed on "How to Prosecute Alternatve Health Practitoners" whch has been given to state malpractice boards to use. THEY in most states, only need a high schol education.
Anti-trust as the chiropractors used, was not efective till they got to the Supreme court.
The system is sick, and too big. A runaway BIG wheel is much harder to stop than a runaway little one:-)

So it is a matter of scale, not just priniciple, that has to be overcome.
There are Freedom fightiing groups. The Rosa Parks one-person stand can not work in the rules set that now exists. Things move slowly. Colorado state just passed a health freeom law there this year. Minnesota, Rhode Island, California, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Idaho, Arizona, and New Mexico also have such a law, but each state law has to be separately lobbied by activists and hard won.

WA has lobbied to get one, and twice had it supported at one level, but the next step of sending it to committee failed to get it even looked at, through simple refusal to do so by the relevant politicians in 2007 and 2009.
WA alone has a legislative intent law on this; it says "The legislature believes that all individuals should be permitted to enter into a health profession unless there is an overwhelming need for the state to protect the interests of the public by restricting entry into the profession."

But that is not upheld. Instead the state is using "mediical practice without a license" to go after alternative practitoners under the licensed profession laws where they have jurisdiction.

So my point is that there ARE lobbies and freedom fighting groups in USA, and they are active, but they are swimmng upstream in a torrent of toxic waste, not in a little mountain stream.

While the freedom fighting is ongoing so is the AVMA and (I do not know the AMA details) concerted five-point plan to stamp out alternative health competition. That started in 1993 after ther own Journal of the American Medical Associaton reported that alternative health dollars exceeded conventional medicine income in 1990 - and that the highest cause of unnecessary death in USA - which used to be 3rd highest for doctors and hospitals - had just become the highest cause.......this led to the intense campaign against alternative health for its "competition".

So far, greed rules. We now have National health law that excludes alternatve health in most categories.

The minnows continue to swim upstream, with pegs on our noses :-)

Namaste,
Irene

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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Tanya Marquette »

I agree with much of what you write here but there is something you miss.
We do have the structure of States Rights which means certain things are left the the individual
States to oversee or legislate. This has resulted in disparate practices and standards in the country.
Gay Rights is a current State by State battle. Voting practices is another and we see how the individual
States are removing those rights. The DOJ has done little to clamp down on abuses unless they reach
national attention and become an embarrassment to the administration. (Tactic to be noted here).
States Rights does make creating national change challenging in a unique way. However, you point,
a State is a smaller entity and more accessible. NYS is the only State where fracking is on hold with
a moratorium due to public lobbying and protest.
It is also critical to understand politically that every change of the type you mention was negotiated thru
corporate lobbyists. Thus, while there are seemingly little ‘wins’ for the public, or us as practitioners,
those laws have been manipulated by the opposition, the corporations involved. Thus, we get crumbs
and loopholes. Every bill passed has been set up to give corporations the loopholes they need to bypass
them or to, in this case, attack the independent holistic practitioner.
Homepathy’s problem has to do with the fact that the community lacks significant organization and focus.
There is too much in fighting about licensing or oversight control. There is too much refusal to help
finance a political effort. There is too much refusal to engage in mass public education so there is a
larger base of support from the public. And there is too much “I don’t want to be political: I just want
to live my life in peace” behavior. With some exceptions, there is too much refusal to collectively reflect
on history and learn from it.
Unfortunately, the end result is lots of little cases such as yours, Irene, which are designed to, not only
shut you down, but to terrorize others from taking action and becoming public.
tanya
From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:32 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves
They can but not as easily.
USA is so huge that it has many more layers of beurocracy, each of which iis extremely expensive to penetrate, and each of which has much higher money amounts spent against homeoapathy.

In my case as an example, there are plenty of laws that shoud be effective but none is working.
In princpke, one needs to start at local state level, then state appeal, then state supreme court then USA appeal court then USA supreme court. That is a lot more layers than is needed in a low population place like New Zealand and each layer is enormously more expensive to litigate/lobby/change rules, etc that the previous one.

The chiropractors in USA already went all the way to the supreme court and won on anti-trust grounds, proving that the AMA was runing a campaign against them to keep them out of their own profession - but the costs to go through all those layers are enormous. The sheer size and funding behind AMA and AVMA, has put barriers in place funded by drug and food companies that are hard to stop.
The Justice Dept made rules to put a stop to Fraud in the medcal business (started by Janet Reno) but it has been subverted by AVMA as a movement to criminalize alternative medicine instead. The campaign is illegal on anti-trust grounds alone, but it continues, and they have handed out a publiicaion they developed on "How to Prosecute Alternatve Health Practitoners" whch has been given to state malpractice boards to use. THEY in most states, only need a high schol education.
Anti-trust as the chiropractors used, was not efective till they got to the Supreme court.
The system is sick, and too big. A runaway BIG wheel is much harder to stop than a runaway little one:-)

So it is a matter of scale, not just priniciple, that has to be overcome.
There are Freedom fightiing groups. The Rosa Parks one-person stand can not work in the rules set that now exists. Things move slowly. Colorado state just passed a health freeom law there this year. Minnesota, Rhode Island, California, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Idaho, Arizona, and New Mexico also have such a law, but each state law has to be separately lobbied by activists and hard won.

WA has lobbied to get one, and twice had it supported at one level, but the next step of sending it to committee failed to get it even looked at, through simple refusal to do so by the relevant politicians in 2007 and 2009.
WA alone has a legislative intent law on this; it says "The legislature believes that all individuals should be permitted to enter into a health profession unless there is an overwhelming need for the state to protect the interests of the public by restricting entry into the profession."

But that is not upheld. Instead the state is using "mediical practice without a license" to go after alternative practitoners under the licensed profession laws where they have jurisdiction.

So my point is that there ARE lobbies and freedom fighting groups in USA, and they are active, but they are swimmng upstream in a torrent of toxic waste, not in a little mountain stream.

While the freedom fighting is ongoing so is the AVMA and (I do not know the AMA details) concerted five-point plan to stamp out alternative health competition. That started in 1993 after ther own Journal of the American Medical Associaton reported that alternative health dollars exceeded conventional medicine income in 1990 - and that the highest cause of unnecessary death in USA - which used to be 3rd highest for doctors and hospitals - had just become the highest cause.......this led to the intense campaign against alternative health for its "competition".

So far, greed rules. We now have National health law that excludes alternatve health in most categories.

The minnows continue to swim upstream, with pegs on our noses :-)

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD »

Yes, indeed, the advantages of being a small country with a united front (almost....) of practitioners of different streams of real medicine....we do have the Natural Health Council that regroups the major other associations (homeopaths, herbalists, ayurvedics, naturopaths, osteopaths) and we present a united political front while keeping separate at other levels.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Irene de Villiers »

That makes a lot of sense.

Here, the story that oversight/regstration/etc is needed for Homeopaty in USA is not valid - it is promoted by the likes of BIH and moneymakers like CCH/CHC, and is hugely divisive and unnecessary IMO (also unnecesssary per the legislation already in place in USA).
Six states specfcally say in their legislation that homeopathy is safe and does not need registration, controls, etc by the state, just a need to tell the client what credentials are there - and another state says that state must prove registration or control of any kind is needed for safety, and otherwise forget it.
So why fight about it. Better to use already passed freedom laws as models for more of them, and put ALL the effort THERE iin a unified way - no side trips. Take those side trips if wanted, AFTER there is health freedom countrywide - not with "cart before the horse" effort.
Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Sorry T, frustrating but - I can not say more on that as my case is sub judice.
:-(
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Tanya Marquette
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Tanya Marquette »

Was not trying to get into your personal case Irene. I understand you not being able
to discuss it. But there are many other cases like yours in many areas of holitistic
health. Look what they are doing to raw milk farmers. Like the Amish farmer who they
have raided at least twice. Or the numerous health food stores that get raided with
full SWAT team armaments only to steal milk or supplements and terrorize the owners
and workers. Or the Arkansas raw milk farmer who was raided with every possible
armed uniform person from the FBI, FDA, down to the local postal worker (he wore a
uniform). The family is there in their work overalls and this armed contingency descends
on them with assault weapons pointed at them, including the children. This is pure
terrorism and serves only to scare the public into not buying raw milk, or whatever the
item may be.
What happens too often is these cases are never gathered into a public piece for
education about what the tendency is. Each case gets presented as it is a unique,
unusual criminal event instead of an expression of the tendency to go after ALL
expressions of freedom to chose how many people chose to live their lives in health.
t
From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:39 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves
Sorry T, frustrating but - I can not say more on that as my case is sub judice.
:-(
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Hi, ..... sorry it seemed that way, I realized that..... just *I* am having a hard time biting my tongue when there are things I wanted to add:-) I am not good at being gagged:-)

I agree with what you said.

.....Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Tanya Marquette
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Re: Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Post by Tanya Marquette »

You make the point that working in coalitions forms a broad power base that can effect change.
Three years ago worked with a coalition of often politically antagonistic people to defeat a
$50 million dollar bond in the community. We had an agreed focus and agenda and stuck to it.
The bond went down 3:1 with the largest turnout ever in a community vote. The secondary
win was the mutual respect that people developed with each other. As one man said to me
‘if it wasn’t for this effort I never would have thought to talk to you or want to get to know you.’
That is what we are capable of creating.
t
From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:02 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Homeopathic political activism, was remedies emit EM waves

Yes, indeed, the advantages of being a small country with a united front (almost....) of practitioners of different streams of real medicine....we do have the Natural Health Council that regroups the major other associations (homeopaths, herbalists, ayurvedics, naturopaths, osteopaths) and we present a united political front while keeping separate at other levels.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com


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