evidence

[Roger B]

If the only evidence that is acceptable is the movement of a physical dial or some other physical, non-sentient, implement, then materialism will be substantiated by the pre-conceptions of such testing.

Homeopathy is proven daily by the evidence of people's experience. If we cannot get a physical (and non-sentient) machine to respond to homeopathy, this does not disprove homeopathy. It disproves the materialistic assumptions that says that only physical things can be real.

Roger

[John Harvey]

Dials can and do demonstrate the existence of homoeopathic potency, though, Roger. The problem with the dials isn't their inability to show it, but the inability of some (true believers in materialism, if you like) to understand and acknowledge the significance of what they show.

As for showing the efficacy of homoeopathy itself, we need to remember to let it stand or fall on the terms in which it is based -- holistic health outcomes -- rather than the terms of its detractors -- immediate limited results.

This is somewhat analogous to the problem in psychic research that you referred to in another post. Research conducted in a sterile laboratory setting on the ability of total strangers to establish telepathic connections has always enjoyed chequered success. When such research is instead conducted on pairs of people who enjoy a connection already, the results are far clearer.

Cheers --

John

[Roger B]

Well, that is interesting.

This business with the, is it black field microscopy, and the frozen water drops, what's it called? I believe that there is a lot of potential for research there. For example, I complained that we couldn't tell if one pellet dropped in 500 ml would be as potent as one pellet dropped in 5 liters, and it would be very interesting to find out. I think that the frozen drops black field microscopy thingie could clear this up.

First, you see if you can duplicate Emoto and company. Two people with widely differing personalities, like me and a lurker too shy and sweet to post here, would set five drops each. Then, if that worked out to be unique, then the lurker and I would separate. We would do the same with water with the same pellet in it. If they were different from our distilled water drops and different of each other, then we do the same thing with a much larger volume of water with one pellet and see how they compare with the previous droplets. And so forth. It is very fascinating and I am tempted to try it myself. But it would require money, which we don't have. I woke up this morning worrying about money.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: John.P.Harvey@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:25:17 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] evidence
Dials can and do demonstrate the existence of homoeopathic potency, though, Roger. The problem with the dials isn't their inability to show it, but the inability of some (true believers in materialism, if you like) to understand and acknowledge the significance of what they show.

As for showing the efficacy of homoeopathy itself, we need to remember to let it stand or fall on the terms in which it is based -- holistic health outcomes -- rather than the terms of its detractors -- immediate limited results.

This is somewhat analogous to the problem in psychic research that you referred to in another post. Research conducted in a sterile laboratory setting on the ability of total strangers to establish telepathic connections has always enjoyed chequered success. When such research is instead conducted on pairs of people who enjoy a connection already, the results are far clearer.

Cheers --

John
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[John Harvey]

Dark-field microscopy, maybe? Experiments something like this could calibrate strange forces such as you're describing (there's a general term for them that escapes me) against potency, or calibrate potency against strange forces, and other fun things. As you say, though, it's your shout!

John
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