So, let me get this straight (and I admit that I don't agree with the idea), classical homeopathy assumes that there can be one and only one thing wrong (deranged) with a person's vital healing force. And all other things wrong with a person's vital healing force are the result of this One Thing, and if the One Thing is healed, then all of the other problems will heal themselves.
Did I get that right? It sounds a little like the doctrine of original sin to me, assuming that I got it right.
Can there be different One Things wrong with a person's vital healing force at different times in their lives?
I do not see any reason why this is true. Obviously it is better for everyone to go deeper, but the assumption that there can only be one derangement does not stand up to my intuitive scrutiny nor my experience. I freely admit that my experience is very limited compared with most of the people reading this.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
I need understanding . . .
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Re: I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab.
Okay, it's only a partial fit...
Shannon
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab.
Okay, it's only a partial fit...Shannon
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Maria Bohle
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Re: I need understanding . . .
Hello Roger,
Let's approach this a bit differently. Lets look at our person/patient as a home that needs to be kept up. If it takes me two hours a day to keep my home looking nice, clean, everything put away and where it belongs, dishes done, etc. What happens if I am busy and only have one hour a day? The home upkeep starts to suffer. First it may be leaving things around and not putting them away, or maybe next all the dishes or laundry does not get done, etc, etc. Eventually the problem can work it's way around to structural integrety and after a few weeks of this, I do have quite a mess.
The body is the same way (sort of), it takes a certain amount of energy to do all the cellular replacement, repair work, etc. If something like worry, frustration, hate, envy, lack of proper nutrition starts stealing energy away from the system the system will break down under the deficiency (this psora is the mother of diseases - 85% of patients says Hahnemann are psoric - not enough of something to go around.
Obviously there are ways to 'clean up' the house. I can get help to do the dishes, or maybe the laundry, or maybe I can hire a cleaning person to jump in and give me 7 hours on Saturday, or, or, or This is addressing the 'problems' of the laundry, etc. - the Classical Homeopathic Way - I can try to relieve the energy drain of only having ONE hour and find another hour sometime in the day and devote that extra hour to cleaning up the dishes (one disease), the laundry (another disease), etc, etc. Freeing energy solves the whole problem both for catching up on what needs to be done and what is causing the problem (lack of time) in the beginning.
Now add the miasms - leaky roof, foundation repair, bad plumbing - this compounds the above problems, as if I only have a little time I need to use that time where it is most needed. Thus sometimes the structural problem of the miasms can cause problems even though the patient seems to have enough time to clean up, but the miasm is blocking the 'cure'. Meaning we have to eliminate the stresses to allow the patient to use his two hours to do the daily housework.
We classical homeopaths feel if we can address the 'time issue and the driving miasms, we can cure with one good remedy (perhaps a cleaning team who can fix the leaks as well as help the patient to 'catch up' with what needs to be done.
Not the greatest analogy but the best I could think of at this time.
Warmly, Maria
ps. For those of us who have seen this work it is quite beautiful, and no, I have certainly not seen it work in all cases.
Sometimes we do have to address the dishes, laundry, stuff left around individually - but if possible I like to put the whole package together.
Let's approach this a bit differently. Lets look at our person/patient as a home that needs to be kept up. If it takes me two hours a day to keep my home looking nice, clean, everything put away and where it belongs, dishes done, etc. What happens if I am busy and only have one hour a day? The home upkeep starts to suffer. First it may be leaving things around and not putting them away, or maybe next all the dishes or laundry does not get done, etc, etc. Eventually the problem can work it's way around to structural integrety and after a few weeks of this, I do have quite a mess.
The body is the same way (sort of), it takes a certain amount of energy to do all the cellular replacement, repair work, etc. If something like worry, frustration, hate, envy, lack of proper nutrition starts stealing energy away from the system the system will break down under the deficiency (this psora is the mother of diseases - 85% of patients says Hahnemann are psoric - not enough of something to go around.
Obviously there are ways to 'clean up' the house. I can get help to do the dishes, or maybe the laundry, or maybe I can hire a cleaning person to jump in and give me 7 hours on Saturday, or, or, or This is addressing the 'problems' of the laundry, etc. - the Classical Homeopathic Way - I can try to relieve the energy drain of only having ONE hour and find another hour sometime in the day and devote that extra hour to cleaning up the dishes (one disease), the laundry (another disease), etc, etc. Freeing energy solves the whole problem both for catching up on what needs to be done and what is causing the problem (lack of time) in the beginning.
Now add the miasms - leaky roof, foundation repair, bad plumbing - this compounds the above problems, as if I only have a little time I need to use that time where it is most needed. Thus sometimes the structural problem of the miasms can cause problems even though the patient seems to have enough time to clean up, but the miasm is blocking the 'cure'. Meaning we have to eliminate the stresses to allow the patient to use his two hours to do the daily housework.
We classical homeopaths feel if we can address the 'time issue and the driving miasms, we can cure with one good remedy (perhaps a cleaning team who can fix the leaks as well as help the patient to 'catch up' with what needs to be done.
Not the greatest analogy but the best I could think of at this time.
Warmly, Maria
ps. For those of us who have seen this work it is quite beautiful, and no, I have certainly not seen it work in all cases.
Sometimes we do have to address the dishes, laundry, stuff left around individually - but if possible I like to put the whole package together.
Re: I need understanding . . .
This assumes that there is only one neighbor who is drunk and it assaulting people. BUT, I will give you this: If you release a central issue, it will probably release sufficient and refined enough energy to wash some or even all of the other less central and less deep derangements away. I will accept that idea.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab. Okay, it's only a partial fit...
Shannon
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab.
Okay, it's only a partial fit...Shannon
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healthinfo6
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Re: I need understanding . . .
Good question.
On the most grandest level, all chronic diseases known to man are derived from psora, which resulted from scabies, the skin itch.
Per Hahnemann's miasm theory,
"'Psora is that most ancient, most universal, most destructive, and yet most misapprehended chronic miasmatic disease which for many thousands of years has disfigured and tortured mankind... and become the mother of all the thousands of incredibly various chronic diseases...' [Chronic Diseases, p9]
From psora evolved two sexually caused miasms, Sycotic from gonorrhea and Syphlitic from syphilis, and various chronic diseases evolved from these miasms.
More recently, Tuberculosis was recognized as creating a miasm, known as pseudo-psora, new psora, thought to mutate or evolve from psora, which Hahnemann likened to a multi headed hydra, meaning untreated psora is able to morph to new forms.
Diabetes is thought to be in the tubercular miasm.
Hahnemann wrote of latent psora, the various aches, pains, ills and conditions caused by psora, some show after acute conditions and also as one ages and psora progresses in the body. Recently I know someone who, now middle aged, got vertigo attacks after pneumonia. That suggests latent psora and also various antipsoric remedies that have vertigo as a rubric along with a mother who had vertigo suggesting passing on of an inherited miasm.
For example, middle age brings attention to incontinence, loss of bladder control, which is highly advertised on TV and ads for products like Depends, Tena and drugs to control it as so many people develop that condition.
Is it possible this is group latent psora as one moves through middle age???
Cancer is also thought of as a misam with Carcinosin as it's nosode and it's own list of symptoms to identify it especially having cancer in families and being extra fastidious.
Today, most people are treated allopathically if they get a sexual disease, TB, and most psoric based conditions and disease, thus, suppression allopathically from these miasmatic illnesses especially from psora means there will me new miasms in the future as most of the world's inherited psora is being suppressed but not homeopathically eliminated for newer generations.
Just like bacteria mutates after overusage of antibiotics so does psora. AIDS has been discussed as possibly being a new miasm.
Kent, another highly regarded homeopath made a connection with sin and the miasms, thus taught and practiced based on that Adam ate the apple viewpoint:
"Kent, in his Lectures, then greatly enlarged upon the theory, proposing that Psora was the foundation of all other illness, without which mankind would be pure and healthy both in mind and body, as in the Garden of Eden. He thus regarded Psora as being equated with the 'Fall of Man' and with original sinfulness. He portrayed Psora in this highly moralistic light as also being the foundation of the sexual miasms that came later.
"I think it is abundantly clear from these quotes that Kent took a very puritanical and moral line about the origins of disease within the human race and he apparently felt that Psora was equivalent to Original Sin or the Fall of Man.
Hahnemann also pointed out the origins of his theory and the remedies that he decided had the power to eradicate the symptoms of a particular miasm."
http://homeoint.org/morrell/articles/pm_miasm.htm
Susan
On the most grandest level, all chronic diseases known to man are derived from psora, which resulted from scabies, the skin itch.
Per Hahnemann's miasm theory,
"'Psora is that most ancient, most universal, most destructive, and yet most misapprehended chronic miasmatic disease which for many thousands of years has disfigured and tortured mankind... and become the mother of all the thousands of incredibly various chronic diseases...' [Chronic Diseases, p9]
From psora evolved two sexually caused miasms, Sycotic from gonorrhea and Syphlitic from syphilis, and various chronic diseases evolved from these miasms.
More recently, Tuberculosis was recognized as creating a miasm, known as pseudo-psora, new psora, thought to mutate or evolve from psora, which Hahnemann likened to a multi headed hydra, meaning untreated psora is able to morph to new forms.
Diabetes is thought to be in the tubercular miasm.
Hahnemann wrote of latent psora, the various aches, pains, ills and conditions caused by psora, some show after acute conditions and also as one ages and psora progresses in the body. Recently I know someone who, now middle aged, got vertigo attacks after pneumonia. That suggests latent psora and also various antipsoric remedies that have vertigo as a rubric along with a mother who had vertigo suggesting passing on of an inherited miasm.
For example, middle age brings attention to incontinence, loss of bladder control, which is highly advertised on TV and ads for products like Depends, Tena and drugs to control it as so many people develop that condition.
Is it possible this is group latent psora as one moves through middle age???
Cancer is also thought of as a misam with Carcinosin as it's nosode and it's own list of symptoms to identify it especially having cancer in families and being extra fastidious.
Today, most people are treated allopathically if they get a sexual disease, TB, and most psoric based conditions and disease, thus, suppression allopathically from these miasmatic illnesses especially from psora means there will me new miasms in the future as most of the world's inherited psora is being suppressed but not homeopathically eliminated for newer generations.
Just like bacteria mutates after overusage of antibiotics so does psora. AIDS has been discussed as possibly being a new miasm.
Kent, another highly regarded homeopath made a connection with sin and the miasms, thus taught and practiced based on that Adam ate the apple viewpoint:
"Kent, in his Lectures, then greatly enlarged upon the theory, proposing that Psora was the foundation of all other illness, without which mankind would be pure and healthy both in mind and body, as in the Garden of Eden. He thus regarded Psora as being equated with the 'Fall of Man' and with original sinfulness. He portrayed Psora in this highly moralistic light as also being the foundation of the sexual miasms that came later.
"I think it is abundantly clear from these quotes that Kent took a very puritanical and moral line about the origins of disease within the human race and he apparently felt that Psora was equivalent to Original Sin or the Fall of Man.
Hahnemann also pointed out the origins of his theory and the remedies that he decided had the power to eradicate the symptoms of a particular miasm."
http://homeoint.org/morrell/articles/pm_miasm.htm
Susan
Re: I need understanding . . .
Let us say that in the 8th month of gestation, your future mommy watched a horror movie. Let us say that your vital healing force became deranged because of that in a way that would not show said derangement until you were an adult. Let's say that you got raped and beaten at the age of 16, which caused a significant derangement. These two derangements basically have nothing to do with each other, except that they are making the same person sick, perhaps even at the same time.
So, as you travel through your 20's and 30's, you have health problems because of these two separate derangements. I posit (I am bouncing off of you-all's experience) that if the horror movie derangement is healed it would release very refined and central and deep energy that might wash away the brutal rape derangement, just like a dam bursting up river might wash away a dam lower down on the river.
Respectfully Submitted,
Roger Bird
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From: rogerbird2@hotmail.com
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
This assumes that there is only one neighbor who is drunk and it assaulting people. BUT, I will give you this: If you release a central issue, it will probably release sufficient and refined enough energy to wash some or even all of the other less central and less deep derangements away. I will accept that idea.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab. Okay, it's only a partial fit...
Shannon
So, as you travel through your 20's and 30's, you have health problems because of these two separate derangements. I posit (I am bouncing off of you-all's experience) that if the horror movie derangement is healed it would release very refined and central and deep energy that might wash away the brutal rape derangement, just like a dam bursting up river might wash away a dam lower down on the river.
Respectfully Submitted,
Roger Bird
________________________________
From: rogerbird2@hotmail.com
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
This assumes that there is only one neighbor who is drunk and it assaulting people. BUT, I will give you this: If you release a central issue, it will probably release sufficient and refined enough energy to wash some or even all of the other less central and less deep derangements away. I will accept that idea.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab.
Okay, it's only a partial fit...Shannon
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: I need understanding . . .
Ever heard 'The straw that broke the camel's back'?
Our vital force will put up with a lot of abuse, yet the derangement is there.
If an unborn child is affected by what the mother experiences, then the signs would be noticeable in the child's behaviour.
Any further violent experience would form of an acute derangement and it could be treated as an acute case.
And we can see different results after such an acute trauma.
One patient will resolve the problem, the other would be bugged by it for the foreseeable future. Some may become violent, some may become severely mentally affected and shun all male contact, etc.
Mental trauma is a major problem.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 12 December 2013 15:49
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
Let us say that in the 8th month of gestation, your future mommy watched a horror movie. Let us say that your vital healing force became deranged because of that in a way that would not show said derangement until you were an adult. Let's say that you got raped and beaten at the age of 16, which caused a significant derangement. These two derangements basically have nothing to do with each other, except that they are making the same person sick, perhaps even at the same time.
So, as you travel through your 20's and 30's, you have health problems because of these two separate derangements. I posit (I am bouncing off of you-all's experience) that if the horror movie derangement is healed it would release very refined and central and deep energy that might wash away the brutal rape derangement, just like a dam bursting up river might wash away a dam lower down on the river.
Respectfully Submitted,
Roger Bird
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From: rogerbird2@hotmail.com
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
This assumes that there is only one neighbor who is drunk and it assaulting people. BUT, I will give you this: If you release a central issue, it will probably release sufficient and refined enough energy to wash some or even all of the other less central and less deep derangements away. I will accept that idea.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab. Okay, it's only a partial fit...
Shannon
Our vital force will put up with a lot of abuse, yet the derangement is there.
If an unborn child is affected by what the mother experiences, then the signs would be noticeable in the child's behaviour.
Any further violent experience would form of an acute derangement and it could be treated as an acute case.
And we can see different results after such an acute trauma.
One patient will resolve the problem, the other would be bugged by it for the foreseeable future. Some may become violent, some may become severely mentally affected and shun all male contact, etc.
Mental trauma is a major problem.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 12 December 2013 15:49
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
Let us say that in the 8th month of gestation, your future mommy watched a horror movie. Let us say that your vital healing force became deranged because of that in a way that would not show said derangement until you were an adult. Let's say that you got raped and beaten at the age of 16, which caused a significant derangement. These two derangements basically have nothing to do with each other, except that they are making the same person sick, perhaps even at the same time.
So, as you travel through your 20's and 30's, you have health problems because of these two separate derangements. I posit (I am bouncing off of you-all's experience) that if the horror movie derangement is healed it would release very refined and central and deep energy that might wash away the brutal rape derangement, just like a dam bursting up river might wash away a dam lower down on the river.
Respectfully Submitted,
Roger Bird
________________________________
From: rogerbird2@hotmail.com
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
This assumes that there is only one neighbor who is drunk and it assaulting people. BUT, I will give you this: If you release a central issue, it will probably release sufficient and refined enough energy to wash some or even all of the other less central and less deep derangements away. I will accept that idea.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
*Not* that there is only one thing wrong, but that there is one (more or less) *central* thing; one (roughly) which, if unlocked, will unless all (or thereabouts) of the rest.
It turns out to be a very powerful model! Rather than fixing each problem as it arises, or as you find it -- find out what is *causing* your VF to have problems, and put that to right.
Analogy: Instead of apologizing to and paying off each person your neighbor assaults when he's drunk, just get him into rehab.
Okay, it's only a partial fit...Shannon
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Re: I need understanding . . .
That's the idea -- remove the "central disturbance."
That is not *always* the approach taken, or the approach needed, but it's a very "central" idea especially to the homeopathic cure of chronic disease.
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That is not *always* the approach taken, or the approach needed, but it's a very "central"
idea especially to the homeopathic cure of chronic disease.________________________________
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Re: I need understanding . . .
Hi Soroush,
Are you describing miasm?
The central disturbance is not always miasm. A good remedy does not necessarily go that deep. A good remedy could cure the problem caused by, for example, a pathogen or an emotional event that "broke the camels back," but it does not necessarily cure the fundamental delusion. The tendency to breakdown by stressors may remain, yet the remedy would be declared successful.
Ellen Madono
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Are you describing miasm?
The central disturbance is not always miasm. A good remedy does not necessarily go that deep. A good remedy could cure the problem caused by, for example, a pathogen or an emotional event that "broke the camels back," but it does not necessarily cure the fundamental delusion. The tendency to breakdown by stressors may remain, yet the remedy would be declared successful.
Ellen Madono
________________________________
Re: I need understanding . . .
Given that Hahnemann was speculating (even if he said that he wasn't) about miasmas and psora and the like, I don't accept his word as the word of God on these matters. I don't have a problem with transcendental causes. And I don't have a problem with speculation. I do have a problem with accepting as an authority someone who was speculating about transcendental causes 200 years ago. Just because Hahnemann was absolutely amazing in most everything else does not mean that I will accept his transcendental speculations without question.
(:->)
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: ellen.madono@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 03:15:01 +0900
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
Hi Soroush,
Are you describing miasm?
The central disturbance is not always miasm. A good remedy does not necessarily go that deep. A good remedy could cure the problem caused by, for example, a pathogen or an emotional event that "broke the camels back," but it does not necessarily cure the fundamental delusion. The tendency to breakdown by stressors may remain, yet the remedy would be declared successful.
Ellen Madono
________________________________
(:->)
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: ellen.madono@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 03:15:01 +0900
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I need understanding . . .
Hi Soroush,
Are you describing miasm?
The central disturbance is not always miasm. A good remedy does not necessarily go that deep. A good remedy could cure the problem caused by, for example, a pathogen or an emotional event that "broke the camels back," but it does not necessarily cure the fundamental delusion. The tendency to breakdown by stressors may remain, yet the remedy would be declared successful.
Ellen Madono
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