Thought on long water fasts

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,

I am planning a 22 day water fast at an center that specializes in guiding people through fasting here in Japan. I am wonder of anyone has experience with such longer fasts. I have only done week long water fasts.

I am a lightweight. Hardly skinny, but not in need of weight loss. I would like to lose a kidney stone though.

I would like to cleanse down to the cells. Also, I am looking forward to the time to focus on meditation. So, I am going to a place where I will be guided through the process.
At one time Dominic Stanghini wrote a wonderful description of his experience with cleansing. Re-reading his post, I realized that I probably know more about how to take care of myself that anyone else. That is, I should not be planning to just leave my health in the hands of the institution where I will be staying. So, I better bring my travel remedy kit, my gemotherapy herbs and maybe my computer. I was thinking of getting away from constant computer studying. All my patients have been squared away for the month (I hope???). They can email me and I can pick it up on my cell phone. But I may need my computer to do my own case. So just in case, bring it.

I will be doing a water fast, so the cleanse part will be quite severe. I expect not to feel very good on day 3 and 4. After that, my experience with fasting is I will feel pretty good. Nice to have the free time that is normally devoted to food. I don't remember feeling to sick after the detox period. But this is much longer than I am used to. I am going to an institution because normally I have a hard time coming off the fast slowly. I usually start fasts because I am sick already. I don't plan for them. In other words, when I am cooking for my family, starting and ending a fast are very difficult for me.

I will be at an institution where I I will have Japanese care takers. In general, Japanese are very caring and detailed, still I am a bit worried. As always, I should be planning to take care of myself.

Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.

Best.
Ellen Madono

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

What does your water fast entail please?
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ellen Madono
Sent: 22 August 2013 15:04
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Thought on long water fasts
Hi,
I am planning a 22 day water fast at an center that specializes in guiding people through fasting here in Japan. I am wonder of anyone has experience with such longer fasts. I have only done week long water fasts.
I am a lightweight. Hardly skinny, but not in need of weight loss. I would like to lose a kidney stone though.
I would like to cleanse down to the cells. Also, I am looking forward to the time to focus on meditation. So, I am going to a place where I will be guided through the process.
At one time Dominic Stanghini wrote a wonderful description of his experience with cleansing. Re-reading his post, I realized that I probably know more about how to take care of myself that anyone else. That is, I should not be planning to just leave my health in the hands of the institution where I will be staying. So, I better bring my travel remedy kit, my gemotherapy herbs and maybe my computer. I was thinking of getting away from constant computer studying. All my patients have been squared away for the month (I hope???). They can email me and I can pick it up on my cell phone. But I may need my computer to do my own case. So just in case, bring it.
I will be doing a water fast, so the cleanse part will be quite severe. I expect not to feel very good on day 3 and 4. After that, my experience with fasting is I will feel pretty good. Nice to have the free time that is normally devoted to food. I don't remember feeling to sick after the detox period. But this is much longer than I am used to. I am going to an institution because normally I have a hard time coming off the fast slowly. I usually start fasts because I am sick already. I don't plan for them. In other words, when I am cooking for my family, starting and ending a fast are very difficult for me.
I will be at an institution where I I will have Japanese care takers. In general, Japanese are very caring and detailed, still I am a bit worried. As always, I should be planning to take care of myself.
Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.
Best.

Ellen Madono

[Roger B]

Ellen,

I did a 30 day fast with only all the home juiced juice that I wanted and one cup of kefir every day, no more. It was sort of easy. I have plenty of fat to burn, but burning it is difficult if you don't have enough micronutrients which can be gotten from the juice and the kefir. Also it becomes easier as you adjust from being a sugar burner to a fat burner.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: ellen.madono@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:03:48 +0900
Subject: [Minutus] Thought on long water fasts
Hi,

I am planning a 22 day water fast at an center that specializes in guiding people through fasting here in Japan. I am wonder of anyone has experience with such longer fasts. I have only done week long water fasts.

I am a lightweight. Hardly skinny, but not in need of weight loss. I would like to lose a kidney stone though.

I would like to cleanse down to the cells. Also, I am looking forward to the time to focus on meditation. So, I am going to a place where I will be guided through the process.
At one time Dominic Stanghini wrote a wonderful description of his experience with cleansing. Re-reading his post, I realized that I probably know more about how to take care of myself that anyone else. That is, I should not be planning to just leave my health in the hands of the institution where I will be staying. So, I better bring my travel remedy kit, my gemotherapy herbs and maybe my computer. I was thinking of getting away from constant computer studying. All my patients have been squared away for the month (I hope???). They can email me and I can pick it up on my cell phone. But I may need my computer to do my own case. So just in case, bring it.

I will be doing a water fast, so the cleanse part will be quite severe. I expect not to feel very good on day 3 and 4. After that, my experience with fasting is I will feel pretty good. Nice to have the free time that is normally devoted to food. I don't remember feeling to sick after the detox period. But this is much longer than I am used to. I am going to an institution because normally I have a hard time coming off the fast slowly. I usually start fasts because I am sick already. I don't plan for them. In other words, when I am cooking for my family, starting and ending a fast are very difficult for me.

I will be at an institution where I I will have Japanese care takers. In general, Japanese are very caring and detailed, still I am a bit worried. As always, I should be planning to take care of myself.

Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.

Best.
Ellen Madono

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Finrod,

A water fast is just that. You drink water and no other foods. Because you are taking no sources of toxins, your body can focus on detoxing. In 30 days they say you can get to the cellular level. I have been fasting for shorter periods of time. I like water fasts because they are simple. I find eating or drinking anything else just brings on desire for food. Without the food stimulus, I don't have much desire. I will be at the institution for 30 days, but there is time for going in and for going out of the fast. On the way in the Japanese eat rice soup. I suppose juices would be good too. I plan to go there with the rice soup part of the fast already started. Eating slowly on the way in and the way out is important. I always mess up on the way out. As I said, eating brings on desire for me.

The Russians have done a lot of work documenting the value of water fasts. I read a Japanese doctor who is into it too. I mean documenting the value of water fasts. Americans have tested mice who fasted before receiving radiation treatment. Those who fasted first did much better in the recovery. On that basis. some chemotherapy patients elect to fast before chemo. It is all about detoxiing.

I am very cold. Body temperature of 36 degrees C is cold. (96.8 F). To withstand unheated Japanese houses, I would like to increase my body temperature by 1 degree. This is one of the claims of water fasting. I was told it should go up in a week. Then the problem becomes maintaining the higher body temperature.

The other part that I see as valuable is the time to meditate and to not think of the million things that normally occupy my mind.
Best,
Ellen
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[Ellen Madono]

Hi Roger,

Fat is something that women have more of anyway. But, losing fat is not a goal for me. Gaining muscles would always be a goal though. Fasting will not gain muscle.

Juice fasting seems like toil to me. Then I think about the cost of juices. Also, to increase body temperature, juices would be counter productive because most juices are produced in warm climates and they are adapted to decreasing body temperature. I try to eat fruits produced in the North. Too bad because I like juices. When I get that higher body temperature, I can drink juices. Hopefully.

Best,
Ellen
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[Rochelle]

Ellen,
Water and no nutrients ,not even vitamins and minerals for 30 days has to be a starvation diet and as you are not overweight to begin with what on earth do you think is going to keep you alive and fit!! I wonder how long it takes for scurvy to set in?
To me this is foolishness – Sorry L
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ellen Madono
Hi Finrod,
A water fast is just that. You drink water and no other foods. Because you are taking no sources of toxins, your body can focus on detoxing. In 30 days they say you can get to the cellular level. I have been fasting for shorter periods of time. I like water fasts because they are simple. I find eating or drinking anything else just brings on desire for food. Without the food stimulus, I don't have much desire. I will be at the institution for 30 days, but there is time for going in and for going out of the fast. On the way in the Japanese eat rice soup. I suppose juices would be good too. I plan to go there with the rice soup part of the fast already started. Eating slowly on the way in and the way out is important. I always mess up on the way out. As I said, eating brings on desire for me.
The Russians have done a lot of work documenting the value of water fasts. I read a Japanese doctor who is into it too. I mean documenting the value of water fasts. Americans have tested mice who fasted before receiving radiation treatment. Those who fasted first did much better in the recovery. On that basis. some chemotherapy patients elect to fast before chemo. It is all about detoxiing.
I am very cold. Body temperature of 36 degrees C is cold. (96.8 F). To withstand unheated Japanese houses, I would like to increase my body temperature by 1 degree. This is one of the claims of water fasting. I was told it should go up in a week. Then the problem becomes maintaining the higher body temperature.
The other part that I see as valuable is the time to meditate and to not think of the million things that normally occupy my mind.
Best,

Ellen
Ellen,

I did a 30 day fast with only all the home juiced juice that I wanted and one cup of kefir every day, no more. It was sort of easy. I have plenty of fat to burn, but burning it is difficult if you don't have enough micronutrients which can be gotten from the juice and the kefir. Also it becomes easier as you adjust from being a sugar burner to a fat burner.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: ellen.madono@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:03:48 +0900
Subject: [Minutus] Thought on long water fasts
Hi,
I am planning a 22 day water fast at an center that specializes in guiding people through fasting here in Japan. I am wonder of anyone has experience with such longer fasts. I have only done week long water fasts.
I am a lightweight. Hardly skinny, but not in need of weight loss. I would like to lose a kidney stone though.
I would like to cleanse down to the cells. Also, I am looking forward to the time to focus on meditation. So, I am going to a place where I will be guided through the process.
At one time Dominic Stanghini wrote a wonderful description of his experience with cleansing. Re-reading his post, I realized that I probably know more about how to take care of myself that anyone else. That is, I should not be planning to just leave my health in the hands of the institution where I will be staying. So, I better bring my travel remedy kit, my gemotherapy herbs and maybe my computer. I was thinking of getting away from constant computer studying. All my patients have been squared away for the month (I hope???). They can email me and I can pick it up on my cell phone. But I may need my computer to do my own case. So just in case, bring it.
I will be doing a water fast, so the cleanse part will be quite severe. I expect not to feel very good on day 3 and 4. After that, my experience with fasting is I will feel pretty good. Nice to have the free time that is normally devoted to food. I don't remember feeling to sick after the detox period. But this is much longer than I am used to. I am going to an institution because normally I have a hard time coming off the fast slowly. I usually start fasts because I am sick already. I don't plan for them. In other words, when I am cooking for my family, starting and ending a fast are very difficult for me.
I will be at an institution where I I will have Japanese care takers. In general, Japanese are very caring and detailed, still I am a bit worried. As always, I should be planning to take care of myself.
Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.
Best.

Ellen Madono

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Ellen
I tend to agree with Rochelle on this one. I think past 7 days you are going into a danger zone.
You see in our evolution we have seen many famines and many times of plenty. The body has been programmed to treat fat as precious and will not let go of it unless it really has to. This is why people who try just reducing their diet end up really over weight.
What happens is that every time the body experiences a famine (real or artificial) it improves its efficiency of food utilisation.
So let us say a person weighs 80 kg and decides that really they should by 65 kg. So they go on a diet and eventually get to about 67 kg and say - yes that is ok now. Most now revert to the old habit and will quickly put on weight and before they know it, they are at 83-85 kg region. Back on the diet and they go to 70 kg this time and yo-yo back to 85-7 kg and this will continue and they may even get to 95 + kg! Check with any over weight person and you will see that this is really what happens.
Also in times of famine the body will convert muscle to food for the cells before it touches much of the fat. The key to stopping this is exercise, however, it is found that even heart muscles that are continuously in use are sacrificed in these famine periods. But with no food coming in you will not be exercising!
But by controlling your food intake and your exercise pattern, I think your temperature will go up naturally and your heart beat rate will come down.
My best wishes

Soroush (Finrod is the name of my company = faithful friend of Man - from The Hobbit)
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rochelle
Sent: 23 August 2013 01:22
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [Minutus] Thought on long water fasts

Ellen,

Water and no nutrients ,not even vitamins and minerals for 30 days has to be a starvation diet and as you are not overweight to begin with what on earth do you think is going to keep you alive and fit!! I wonder how long it takes for scurvy to set in?

To me this is foolishness – Sorry L

Rochelle

From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ellen Madono

Hi Finrod,

A water fast is just that. You drink water and no other foods. Because you are taking no sources of toxins, your body can focus on detoxing. In 30 days they say you can get to the cellular level. I have been fasting for shorter periods of time. I like water fasts because they are simple. I find eating or drinking anything else just brings on desire for food. Without the food stimulus, I don't have much desire. I will be at the institution for 30 days, but there is time for going in and for going out of the fast. On the way in the Japanese eat rice soup. I suppose juices would be good too. I plan to go there with the rice soup part of the fast already started. Eating slowly on the way in and the way out is important. I always mess up on the way out. As I said, eating brings on desire for me.

The Russians have done a lot of work documenting the value of water fasts. I read a Japanese doctor who is into it too. I mean documenting the value of water fasts. Americans have tested mice who fasted before receiving radiation treatment. Those who fasted first did much better in the recovery. On that basis. some chemotherapy patients elect to fast before chemo. It is all about detoxiing.

I am very cold. Body temperature of 36 degrees C is cold. (96.8 F). To withstand unheated Japanese houses, I would like to increase my body temperature by 1 degree. This is one of the claims of water fasting. I was told it should go up in a week. Then the problem becomes maintaining the higher body temperature.

The other part that I see as valuable is the time to meditate and to not think of the million things that normally occupy my mind.

Best,

Ellen

[Christine Wyndham-Thomas]

Ellen, if someone came to you as a patient for homeopathic treatment with the symptoms you've just described, would you not look for a homeopathic remedy or treatment?

Regards
Christine
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[Jean Doherty]

Do hope the experience will be positive but wonder if have checked Thyroid function, Blessings Jean

[lightspirals]

How would you say a person may 'adjust from being a sugar burner to a fat burner'?
Liz
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